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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: ALAMO2008 on Friday 03 May 24 14:39 BST (UK)
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The 1911 Census has Stumped me - hence my cry for Help.
There is No Trace of the Marriage 25 years ago
No Trace of the 4 Births of Children shown
69 Folds Road Bolton
James Boxwell Head Married 47 Property repairer b Bolton
Margaret Ann Boxwell Wife 47 b Bolton
Minnie Boxwell Daughter Single 17 Office girl b Bolton
Jesse Boxwell Son 12 b Bolton
Ada Boxwell Daughter 10 b Bolton
Margaret Ann Boxwell Daughter 8 b Bolton
Married 25 years 9 children born, 5 still living
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Have you traced the parents back?
Your image is difficult to read but I think it is James Boxwell and Margaret Ann. Is that right?
There is a tree which shows James with a father, Charles D’Arcy.
There is a birth - Minnie Darcey mmn Harrison x 1894.
Marriage December quarter 1885
James D’Arcy and Margaret Ann Harrison.
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Lancs BMD shows these in the indexes
1893 Minnie Darcey
1895 James R Darcy
1898 Jesse Darcy
1900 Ada Darcy
1903 Margaret A Darcy
There are also births
1886 Charles G Boxwell
1888 Jesse Boxwell
All have mother Harrison
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Heywood You have just Cracked it so quickly- it has taken me ages to get nowhere till now.
Big Thanks
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In 1901 3618 /123/7
The family are Boxwell
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1881 he's D'Arcy
Charles D'arcy 51 b Ireland
James D'arcy 19 Son b Bolton
He's sometimes referred to as James Darcy Boxwell on his children's records. Jesse is also a Darcy Boxwell
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1871 in Bolton - in 1861 surname transcribed as Darsey
Charles Dancey 48 Labourer Ireland
Alice Dancey Daughter 17 Cotton uperative Bolton, Lancashire
James Dancey Son 9 Bolton, Lancashire
Ellen Regan Boarder
Added 1851?? living in Bolton next door to a large Darcy family
Charles Darey Head Married 23 Labourer brick maker Ireland
Margaret Darey Wife 21 Ireland
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The relevant column on the 1911 census asks for number of COMPLETE years of marriage. ;)
So a marriage in 1885.
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Not what you originally asked about but I wondered if you knew Ada emigrated to Canada in 1920? She was destined to a job in Cornwall, Ontario. The employer had paid her passage, if I remember correctly.
Ada Darcy Boxwell married James Alfred Wilson 17 Jan 1921 in Cornwall, Ontario, Canada and had 6 children as of the 1931 census. Her parents given as James Darcy Boxwell and Margaret Ann Harrison.
PB
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1871 in Bolton - in 1861 surname transcribed as Darsey
Charles Dancey 48 Labourer Ireland
Alice Dancey Daughter 17 Cotton uperative Bolton, Lancashire
James Dancey Son 9 Bolton, Lancashire
Ellen Regan Boarder
Added 1851?? living in Bolton next door to a large Darcy family
Charles Darey Head Married 23 Labourer brick maker Ireland
Margaret Darey Wife 21 Ireland
Stunning Skills Researching Big Thanks
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This looks like the parents marriage from Lancashire Online Parish Clerks
Marriage: 6 Nov 1849 St Peter & St Paul Roman Catholic Church, Bolton, Lancashire
Charles Darcy -
Margaret Gough -
Witnesses: James Darcy; Mary Darcy
Married by Edmund Carter
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It looks as though Margaret has some convictions in the 1850s for stealing.
She was acquitted of stealing in 1868.
There is also mention of ‘18 times summarily convicted of drunkenness’.
Births with mmn Gough
1852 Catherine Darcy (death 1853?)
1856 Thomas
1860 Charles
I can’t see James but there is a birth for James Boxwell in 1862 with mmn Roach.
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Thanks Kay99 and Heywood for your Input
The Family now has information in only a few hours that they never achieved in Years
Brilliant Research
Cheers
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Still seems to be a puzzle re the name
Charles is with Alice, 7 yrs in 1861. I can’t see a birth for her either.
No Margaret with them in 1861.
Margaret died in 1869 - widow of Charles Darcey
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I wonder if James was adopted?? I couldn't resist checking the 1862 birth of James Boxwell - His parents were Michael Boxwell - Cordwainer and Mary Boxwell mn Roach - address Lever St Bolton . I can't see the family at the moment :-\
Kay
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The Family Story was that they wanted to drop their Irish Name and Invented Boxwell
But Charles and James seem to be D'Arcy in 1862 1871 1881 and James married as D'Arcy in 1885
But had Charles Gibert as Boxwell in 1886 and Jesse in 1888 as Boxwell and James in 1890 as Boxwell and showed Boxwell on 1891 1901 1911 Census
But Registered Minnie 1893 as Darcey then Jesse 1898 as Darey
then Ada 1900 as Darey then Margaret Ann 1903 as Darcy
While Known As Boxwell locally and on Census Records
Minnie had a Son James 1915 out of wedlock and declared her Maiden Name as her Known As Name not her Birth Name
They certainly made it hard for any Ancestors Researching years later.
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An adoption seems plausible.
I think Margaret died in the workhouse.
Her last court appearance looks to be 1868.
She is not with Charles in 1861 - for whatever reason.
I can’t see her yet in that census.
It’s a puzzle.
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An adoption seems plausible.
I think Margaret died in the workhouse.
Her last court appearance looks to be 1868.
She is not with Charles in 1861 - for whatever reason.
I can’t see her yet in that census.
It’s a puzzle.
I wondered whether she was in prison at the time of the census but can't see her and have also searched just using her intials
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Me too ;)
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Just realised that James Darcy Boxwell's date of birth is listed as 24th June 1862 in 1939 and the birth cert for the James Boxwell I have also lists his date of birth as 24th June 1862 :)
Kay
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Well that’s some good fortune but adds to the puzzle!
No sign of Michael Boxwell - there ar3 a couple of Mary Roach entries in censuses
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I agree - no sign of Michael Boxwell and the most likely Mary b 1844 Ireland may have married a Michael Keouch in 1868 as below but I am not sure what happened to her :-\
Marriage: 8 Feb 1868 St Peter & St Paul Roman Catholic Church, Bolton, Lancashire
Michaelem Keough - Andrew St.
Mariam Roach - Andrew St. 31
Groom's Father: Thomae Keough
Bride's Father: Patritii Roach
Witnesses: Jeremiah (Darby) Melvin, ex Andrew St.; Bridgida Sweeney, ex Andrew St.
Married by Edmundus Can. Carter M.R.
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Yes, I thought that may be her too but we know James was with Charles in the censuses.
Lancs opc doesn’t have baptisms for 1862 to see if there is a baptism record for James. The records are at the archives, I think.
Similarly, I don't think we have a marriage record for James and Margaret in 1885.
Not sure how it would help - perhaps Charles is named as father.
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LancashireBMD lists the 1885 marriage as HARRISON Margaret A - DAREY James 1885 at Bolton Register Office or Registrar Attended so sadly it won't be online.
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No it doesn’t seem to be. It isn’t at St Peter and St Paul - they are online at Lancs opc but I don’t see it.
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FreeBMD has James as D’Arcy in the marriage index and this is how it is on the original they have.
PB
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Wondering what the family think, Alamo?
What to do next. It’s odd isn’t it.
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They have always been confused by the alternating names and hampered their Research
But your Findiings has opened loads of new avenues and amazed them.
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But we still don’t know who he is.
Has anyone done a DNA test?
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No DNA test done.
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Someone mentioned earlier that they didn’t see a birth for Alice. This is possibly it….
Alice Darcy MMN Gough
M Qtr 1854 Salford 08D P74
Would the family like more info about Ada in Canada or might they have it already?
PB
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Thank you for finding Alice, polarbear.