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Title: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: mcadamsd on Friday 03 May 24 18:55 BST (UK)
I have the marriage and death for Alexander Smith, born about 1821 Fordyce, Banffshire and passed 9 MAR 1898  Rothiemay, Banffshire, Scotland.

He married Elizabeth Anderson 19 Dec 1850 Rothiemay, Banffshire, Scotland.

On the marriage, he is noted as illegitimate son of John Smith and Elsbet ??? and on the death she is Elizabeth  ???. What was her family name?

Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: Raybistre on Friday 03 May 24 19:34 BST (UK)
Looks like Maccurrach and Elspeth McCurrach to me
Ray
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: David Nicoll on Friday 03 May 24 19:45 BST (UK)
I would read Elspet Maccurrach on the marriage, and Elspeth McCurach on the death cert, I am not sure where you get Margaret?
As I have suggested elsewhere, report an issue with the legibility of the death Certificate and ask for their assistance.
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: mcadamsd on Friday 03 May 24 19:50 BST (UK)
Thanks for prompt feedback.

Margaret was there because I had a bit of a brain issue.   :)  Corrected original post!

The image was shared with me by a distant relative.  I will see if they can report
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: David Nicoll on Friday 03 May 24 19:53 BST (UK)
And probably the Elizabeth Mccurroch, or is that a k? Born in Rothiemay in 1825.
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 03 May 24 21:16 BST (UK)

...On the marriage, he is noted as illegitimate son of John Smith and Elsbet ??? and on the death she is Elizabeth  ???. What was her family name?

Elspet and Elizabeth are first name variants. See www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=elspet

Monica
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: Neale1961 on Friday 03 May 24 22:47 BST (UK)
Have you looked at Alexander Smith's baptism record for any more information?
It is available from Scotlands People ....

SMITH   ALEXANDER   
parents - JOHN SMITH  & ELSPET MCCURRACH   
27/09/1818   
153   30 / 373   FORDYCE
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: Neale1961 on Friday 03 May 24 22:56 BST (UK)
It might be worth investigating the following ......
Possible birth
MCOURACH   ELSPET   
23/02/1792   - CULLEN
PARENTS - ALEX MC OURACH  & JANNET DONALDSON
FR722 (FR722)   F   
150   40 / 173   



Census:   1841
County:   Banffshire (BAN)
District:   Banff
House or Street Name:   Back Path
RICHARDSON   Thomas   M   50   Independent   Born - Out of County
MCCURRACH   Elspet   F   45   Female Servant   Born - Banffshire

1851 census (added)
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59027d5ee9379091b1269df6/elspet-mccurrach-1851-banffshire-boyndie-1797-?locale=en
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: Neale1961 on Saturday 04 May 24 07:42 BST (UK)
The Fordyce Kirk Session Minutes hold the information about the illegitimate birth of Alexander Smith.

You can view an image of the original here (login first)
 https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/place-page/Fordyce/GAZ00536/REX01118
Go to Minutes (1786-1825)   click open link (CH2/1114/4)
Go to image number 258
Relevant session Starts at August 9th 1818


Here is the first part
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: Neale1961 on Saturday 04 May 24 07:43 BST (UK)
Here is the second part
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: Neale1961 on Saturday 04 May 24 07:43 BST (UK)
Here is the 3rd part
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: Calleva on Saturday 04 May 24 07:44 BST (UK)
It might be worth investigating the following ......
Possible birth
MCOURACH   ELSPET   
23/02/1792   - CULLEN
PARENTS - ALEX MC OURACH  & JANNET DONALDSON
FR722 (FR722)   F   
150   40 / 173   



Census:   1841
County:   Banffshire (BAN)
District:   Banff
House or Street Name:   Back Path
RICHARDSON   Thomas   M   50   Independent   Born - Out of County
MCCURRACH   Elspet   F   45   Female Servant   Born - Banffshire

As ages of people over 15 in the 1841 Census were rounded down to the nearest 5, for example 29 was recorded as 25 (although this approach wasn’t always followed), Elspet McCurrach could have been aged between 46 and 49.

This favours a case that Elspet McCourach described as being born 23rd February 1792 in the record Neil1961 tracked down and Elspet McCurrach shown in the 1841 Census aged 45, female servant, may be the same person i.e. she would have been 49 when the 1841 Census was taken on 6th June that year.

However the 1851 Census for Boyndie shows an Elspet McCurrach, cook at the Freechurch Manse aged 54, born in Fordyce. If the same person she actually would have been older.

Hope this helps.




Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: Calleva on Saturday 04 May 24 07:53 BST (UK)
I hadn’t seen Neal1961’s post when I sent mine but everything seems to be coming together as the Elspet shown in the 1841 and 1851 Censuses was shown as single.

A few more lines of enquiry to follow!
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: Neale1961 on Saturday 04 May 24 07:59 BST (UK)

This favours a case that Elspet McCourach described as being born 23rd February 1792 .........

However the 1851 Census for Boyndie shows an Elspet McCurrach, cook at the Freechurch Manse aged 54, born in Fordyce. If the same person she actually would have been older.

I think the Elspet aged 54 in the 1851 census is the same one in the 1841 census. She has just a few years off her age.


In 1861 census, she is in 6 Gallowgate Str, Rothesay
age 67, Formerly A Domestic Servant
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: Neale1961 on Saturday 04 May 24 08:11 BST (UK)
Possible death (age is out by a bit)

MCCURRACH, ELIZABETH
age - 75
Mother - DONALDSON
F
1881
153 / 2 / 24
PORTSOY


Ammended as this death is not for the correct woman.
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: Calleva on Saturday 04 May 24 09:57 BST (UK)
Attached extract showing Elizabeth (married surname Black) McCurrach’s death 1881 in Portsoy.
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: Calleva on Saturday 04 May 24 10:30 BST (UK)
In 1841 Census Alexander Smith is shown aged 25 living in Back Path Banff, like Elspet McCulloch.

Will send copies of the entries, they’re on the same page.
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: Neale1961 on Saturday 04 May 24 10:37 BST (UK)
Attached extract showing Elizabeth (married surname Black) McCurrach’s death 1881 in Portsoy.
I’m pretty sure now, that is not the correct person.
That Elizabeth was born 1805 in Cullen. She married James Black in 1832.


I think we have found the right Elspeth in the census 1841, 1851, 1861, but have not found her birth details (which should be in Fordyce), or her parents’ names as yet.
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: Calleva on Saturday 04 May 24 12:07 BST (UK)
Sorry, two clumsy errors in my last message - should have been Alexander McCurrach aged 25 shown in 1841 Census at Back Path Banff (extract attached)

Also Elspeth McCurrach not McCulloch shown living in the same street.
Title: Re: Name of mother of Alexander Smith
Post by: Calleva on Saturday 04 May 24 12:21 BST (UK)
Mortified to realise I’ve conflated McCulloch and McCurrach in the 1841 Census - please ignore previous and sorry for the confusion and wasted time.