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Leo O Brien 1923. Father: Thomas O Brien & Mother: Bridget Redmond, could also be Mary Bridget Redmond. From Wicklow, apparently he was living on Lambay Island as well, but he wasn't born there.
Probably went there in his teens or early adulthood.
It could be the wrong year.
Thank you. ;D
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Where did you get his birthyear from & his parents names?
Where does he fit into your FH?
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There is a Peter O’Brien born to Thomas O’Brien and Bridget Redmond in 1919 - Coolnakilly, Wicklow. He may be a brother.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01241/1516112.pdf
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Is this the couple married in 1894, Bridget born in 1873? She would have been aged 50 so perhaps he was a grandson, not a son.
Debra :)
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I also found a James O'Brien in 1912-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01474/1600676.pdf
And Anthony in 1909-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01474/1600676.pdf
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Here's the family in 1911-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Dunganstown/Kilnamanagh_Beg/895924/
If Bridget's year of birth is accurate then she would have been nearer 70 in 1923.
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37 + 12 = 49 ;D
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There is a death in 1985 of an Anthony O’Brien late of Athy and Lambay Island buried in Glenealy Cemetery Wicklow a brother perhaps.
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From Family Search....
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1S9-V6K
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From Family Search....
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1S9-V6K
His parents are Christopher and Mary Trundle
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1923/01140/1476767.pdf
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From Family Search....
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1S9-V6K
His parents are Christopher and Mary Trundle
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1923/01140/1476767.pdf
Oh that's a pain, thought I was on to something there!
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This looks like his marriage - 1943 - full age. A witness is Michael O’ Brien.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1943/08779/5173590.pdf
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His parents are Christopher and Mary Trundle
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1923/01140/1476767.pdf
...and they married on 24 August 1920 in Dublin.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09274/5357668.pdf
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This looks like his marriage - 1943 - full age. A witness is Michael O’ Brien.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1943/08779/5173590.pdf
Emily Gertrude Hatton b 1916
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01321/1546099.pdf
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37 + 12 = 49 ;D
Absolutely right. Note to self- don't attempt any complicated maths problems late at night!
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37 + 12 = 49 ;D
Not a fan of "new math," are you? We must respect and affirm Aghadowey's beliefs as equally valid! :D
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Technically Aghadowey is correct 49 is nearer 70 (than 37) :P
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Where did you get his birthyear from & his parents names?
Where does he fit into your FH?
I got his birth year from another person doing the same tree, but from a different side of the family.
I already had his mother and father, and i have the rest of his brothers and sisters, i also have a photograph with him in it. I just couldn't find an actual certificate.
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Well i'm no maths professor, so i won't be judging anyone :P ;D
But i did find some pretty big age gaps for some of the family members, maybe it wasn't judged back then as much as it is now.
But i'm still a bit suspicious about it.
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Did he have children?
Do you have his death?
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Just occurred to me, 1922/1923 was a point of major change in Ireland, War of Independence coming to an end Civil War starting. This wouldn’t be the first birth cert not found for this period, my grandparents married at this time, no marriage cert.
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Just a thought. I wonder if Leo was not a first name but perhaps a middle name that doesn't show on the birth registration?
Also, when brother Patrick Joseph married Mary O'Shaughnessy in 1936 (can't see it on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie to post the link) one of the witnesses was a Leo O'Brien. Brother or relative? With a possible birth year of 1923, that would make brother 13 in 1936. Unlikely.
Maybe Leo's birth year could be earlier than c. 1923? Last birth found was for a son Peter in 1919.
Monica
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Just for comparison of signatures for the Leo who was a witness to the marriage of Patrick Joseph and then seven years later, Leo's signature on the marriage register for his wedding.
The same or totally different?
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That’s the registrar’s writing, it’s a copy of information into the Register Office books.
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Like many a register entry on Scotlands People too :-\
So no comparison possible then. Just curious, Sinann, how can you tell that this is a copy register entry? Scottish certs will include for example '(signed)' where the signatures are on the copy entry confirming that it is not the original signature (apart from the fact that all the writing is same being the clerk's writing).
A Leo O'Brien was also a witness at another O'Brien son, Anthony, who also married in 1936 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1936/08925/5228247.pdf See corrected link below.
Monica
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Is the 1936 witness not John O'Brien rather than Leo O'Brien?
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Posted for the wrong Anthony. Sorry :P Let me find the other Anthony's entry and will add.
In the meantime, this Leo who shows as witness was obviously the family's official witness at marriages ;D He also shows as witness to the marriage of daughter Mary Ann O'Brien https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1942/08800/5181285.pdf
Monica
ADDED: The correct link for Anthony's marriage in 1936 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1936/08925/5228309.pdf
Thanks for pointing out my slip up, aghadowey ;)
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Like many a register entry on Scotlands People too :-\
So no comparison possible then. Just curious, Sinann, how can you tell that this is a copy register entry? Scottish certs will include for example '(signed)' where the signatures are on the copy entry confirming that it is not the original signature (apart from the fact that all the writing is same being the clerk's writing).
A Leo O'Brien was also a witness at another O'Brien son, Anthony, who also married in 1936 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1936/08925/5228247.pdf
Monica
It’s written at the bottom of each page, signed by the person making the copy and by the person who checked it.
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Have a look at this marriage and see what you all think- a Leo O'Brien, son of Thomas, living in Coolnakilly, Co. Wicklow- witnesses Michael O'Brien and Mary Ann Doyle*
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1943/08779/5173590.pdf
* Leo's sister Mary Ann m.1942 to Doyle (Monica posted link to that marriage few minutes ago)
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See replies #11 and 13 re the marriage and Emily Gertrude.
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I think the 1943 marriage is for the correct Leo. Residence and father's name correct, witnesses his brother and sister.
At the moment I am searching (again) for Leo's birth and have almost got it (I think).
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I hope you do have his birth, aghadowey.
Emily Gertrude Hatton was b 1916.
Looking at the O’Brien children, there are gaps between where another child might have been born.
1909 - Anthony
1912 - James
1917 - Marianne
1919 - Peter
Daughter, Elizabeth was born 1896, so was of an age to have a child around 1915 and later
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Okay this may take a bit of explaining...
Thomas O'Brien/Brien and Bridget had the following children in 1901- William, Elizabeth, Michael, John.
In 1911 they had 8 children (Bridget mother of 8 children, all living)- which adds Katherine, Thomas, Patrick, Anthony. Three more children born after census- James, Mary Ann, Peter.
William married 1920, Michael witness at Leo's wedding, John married 1922?, Patrick married 1936, Anthony married 1936, James married 1937.
None of them can be Leo which leaves Thomas and Peter.
Now, Thomas's birth registered as Thomas Joseph so I think 'Leo' could be Peter using a middle name not on registration and he dropped name Peter.
Here's Peter birth (1919)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01241/1516112.pdf
If this is Leo then he would have been about 3 years younger than Emily but still a possibility.
The only way to solve this mystery might be church register showing baptism of a Leo or boy with middle name of Leo but too recent to be online.
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That sounds plausible. The baptism record would be useful, especially now there is a date to search around.
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Thank you all so much, i will be looking into all of those links. :)
Okay i'll jot down the O Brien/Brien branch from my family tree, i'll just go from Thomas & Bridget.
Thomas O Brien/Brien =
Birth: April 6 1873 Dunganstown, Wicklow.
Marriage: 12 AUG 1894 Ashford, Wicklow, Ireland.
Death: February 2 1957 Glenealy, Wicklow.
Bridget Mary Redmond =
Birth ABT 1873 Kilnamanagh Beg, Wicklow.
Marriage: 12 AUG 1894 Ashford, Wicklow, Ireland.
Death 26/08/1946 Coolnakilly, Wicklow, Ireland.
Childern =
William P O Brien: 1894-1954
Elizabeth Mary Lil O Brien: 1896-1946
Michael O Brien: 1897-1954
John Jack Brien: 1900-1989 (he was in the Irish Army during the 1920s war)
Catherine Kite Kathleen O'Brien: 1902– ? i don't have her date of death.
Thomas J Tommy O Brien: 1904– ? again no date of death.
Patrick Joseph(Paddy) Brien: 1906–1984
Anthony O'Brien: 1909 – ? no date of death.
James O'Brien: 1912 – ? no date of death.
Maryanne Molly O'Brien: 1917–2007
Peter O'Brien: 1919 – ? no date of death.
Leo O'Brien: 1923 – ? no date of death, or birth certificate.
I have the following birth certificates=
Anthony O Brien
Catherine Brien
Elizabeth Mary Brien
James O Brien
John Jack Brien
Michael Brien
Patrick Joseph Brien
Thomas Joseph Brien
William Brien
I have a death certificate for Thomas Brien, 27/12/1925 his age is 89 years and he is listed as being a widower and a carpenter. Thomas Brien his son is listed as being present at his death, his address is 44 Coolinakilly Square.
I have Thomas and Bridgets Marriage certificate for 12 August 1894, both full age, fathers names Andrew Brien and John Redmond.
Now i'm confused, i have 11 kids on my family tree and 12 here ::) :P ;D
Even though i got this info from my tree, how come i have 12 here, but only 11 are showing up on the family tree chart on screen. Yet if i click into one of the parents profiles, i do get the 12.
Unless one of the sons is listed twice, using different names, but i don't see Leo as a second name on any of the certificates that i have.
Sorry for the long post.
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I have a death certificate for Thomas Brien, 27/12/1925 his age is 89 years and he is listed as being a widower and a carpenter. Thomas Brien his son is listed as being present at his death, his address is 44 Coolinakilly Square.
Looking at this further, I don't know if this in one of my O Briens/Briens, i don't think its Bridgets Thomas because he died later.
I think my O Briens/Briens were farmers, not carpenters. I might scrap that cert then.
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Here are the children (no 'Leo' so far)-
1. William (c1894)
2. Elizabeth (c1896)
3. Michael (18 Dec.1897 Coolnakilly)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02097/1799189.pdf
4. John (21 Feb.1900 Coolnakilly-)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02009/1772065.pdf (Brien)
5. Catherine (23 Feb.1902 Coolnakilly)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01924/1745359.pdf (Brien)
6. Thomas Joseph (30 Jan.1904 Coolnakilly)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01829/1714920.pdf (Brien)
7. Patrick Joseph (25 May 1906 Coolnakilly)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01731/1684414.pdf (Brien)
8. Anthony (12 June 1909 Kilnamanagh)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01604/1644203.pdf (O’Brien)
9. James (12 Sept.1912 Kilnamanagh)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01474/1600676.pdf (O’Brien)
10. Mary Anne (24 May 1917 Kilnamanagh) m.1942
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01305/1539977.pdf (Marianne Brien)
11. Peter (5 May 1919 Kilnamanagh)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01241/1516112.pdf (O’Brien)
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Thomas O Brien/Brien =
Birth: April 6 1873 Dunganstown, Wicklow.
Marriage: 12 AUG 1894 Ashford, Wicklow, Ireland.
Death: February 2 1957 Glenealy, Wicklow.
From your details, this would be the corresponding death registration in 1957 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04402/4146211.pdf
Monica
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Bridget Mary Redmond =
Birth ABT 1873 Kilnamanagh Beg, Wicklow.
Marriage: 12 AUG 1894 Ashford, Wicklow, Ireland.
Death 26/08/1946 Coolnakilly, Wicklow, Ireland.
The corresponding registration would be this one here https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1946/04600/4218893.pdf
I would question if it was the correct entry for Bridget given she is showing on this as the wife of a Pensioner. We don't have anything for Thomas that implies a military life :-\
Monica
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Suspect 'pensioner' means Old Age Pension rather than a military one.
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Bridget Mary Redmond =
Birth ABT 1873 Kilnamanagh Beg, Wicklow.
Marriage: 12 AUG 1894 Ashford, Wicklow, Ireland.
Death 26/08/1946 Coolnakilly, Wicklow, Ireland.
The corresponding registration would be this one here https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1946/04600/4218893.pdf
I would question if it was the correct entry for Bridget given she is showing on this as the wife of a Pensioner. We don't have anything for Thomas that implies a military life :-\
Monica
Nothing in that death registration implies a military life.
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Scarlett0017,
I think you mentioned you have a photo of Leo. I saw one in a tree which was from a group photo of some of the siblings, I think.
Did anyone in the family ever speak of Peter? I know it’s a long time now but just wondered.
Peter may have been baptised with a second name or just decided to change, if we are correct in the assumption that Peter is Leo.
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Nothing in that death registration implies a military life.
It is only in more recent times that the word pensioner implies almost entirely old age. Previously many ex servicemen were given 'pensions' when they left the army or navy, perhaps because they had been wounded or because they were no longer needed during peacetime.
Maybe by the 1950s, the word pensioner did only refer to old age. I don't know.
Monica
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The Old Age Pension was passed in Ireland in 1908 (first payments in Jan.1909) and originally a claimant had to be 70 years of age. From then on the term pensioner was applied to not just those with a military pension but also those receiving the State benefit.
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What do you all think of this? Is there more than one Peter or is he the one here.
Wicklow People, July 1944
Marriage announcement
At St Teilo’s Church, Cardiff
Peter, youngest son of Mr and Mrs O’Brien, Coolnakilly to Ethel Morrissey, Cork
Added
Death 1945
Ethel O’Brien, 27yrs, Cardiff
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Oh dear if that is the correct Peter O'Brien then we are back to square one finding Leo ???
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Wicklow People, 22 July 1944: MARRIAGES – St. Teilo’s Church, Whitechurch, Cardiff with Nuptial Mass, by Fr. B. Driscoll, Peter, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs.O’Brien, Coolnakilly, Glenealy, Co. Wicklow, to Ethel, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. _ Morrisey, St. Luke’s. Cork.
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Wicklow People, 14 Sept.1946: O’Brien- The husband and family of Brigid O’Brien, Coolnakilly, Glenealy, wish to return their sincere that’s to all those who sympathised with them in their …
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Wicklow People, 22 July 1944: MARRIAGES – St. Teilo’s Church, Whitechurch, Cardiff with Nuptial Mass, by Fr. B. Driscoll, Peter, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs.O’Brien, Coolnakilly, Glenealy, Co. Wicklow, to Ethel, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. _ Morrisey, St. Luke’s. Cork.
Yes that’s the one I posted.
Poor Ethel died the following year.
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Wicklow People, 14 Sept.1946: O’Brien- The husband and family of Brigid O’Brien, Coolnakilly, Glenealy, wish to return their sincere that’s to all those who sympathised with them in their …
There is also an announcement , February 1957 re Thomas O’Brien.
That would be this death, 82 yrs of Glenealy.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04402/4146211.pdf
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Scarlett0017,
I think you mentioned you have a photo of Leo. I saw one in a tree which was from a group photo of some of the siblings, I think.
Did anyone in the family ever speak of Peter? I know it’s a long time now but just wondered.
Peter may have been baptised with a second name or just decided to change, if we are correct in the assumption that Peter is Leo.
Yeah thats the photo i have in my family tree on Ancestry, it was from a group wedding of sorts.
I'll ask one of my aunts for a run down of my grandfathers brothers and sisters again, one of his brothers was in the army around the time of the civil war here in the 20s, and he did have a military send off when he died.
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There is a death in 1985 of an Anthony O’Brien late of Athy and Lambay Island buried in Glenealy Cemetery Wicklow a brother perhaps.
Lambay Island yes that could be him, how do you get copies of death certificates from then though, i have a few other ones i want to get that aren't digitised online either.
I only want copies for research purposes.
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This looks like his marriage - 1943 - full age. A witness is Michael O’ Brien.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1943/08779/5173590.pdf
Yes that looks promising, Michael his brother and Maryanne his sister. We knew Maryanne as Molly though, used to go visit when we were kids.
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This looks like his marriage - 1943 - full age. A witness is Michael O’ Brien.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1943/08779/5173590.pdf
Emily Gertrude Hatton b 1916
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01321/1546099.pdf
Wow, thank you, another ancestor to add to the tree ;D
I hadn't heard of her, i don't remember seeing her on any of the others family trees either that i'm kinda spying on to see what i've missed. :P ;D
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Just for comparison of signatures for the Leo who was a witness to the marriage of Patrick Joseph and then seven years later, Leo's signature on the marriage register for his wedding.
The same or totally different?
yes its a Possiblity that it could be him, a 13 year olds writing would probably be a bit wobbly and child like, unsure whether some peoples writing improves with age or not :P ;D
But his certainly looks like it did.
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Posted for the wrong Anthony. Sorry :P Let me find the other Anthony's entry and will add.
In the meantime, this Leo who shows as witness was obviously the family's official witness at marriages ;D He also shows as witness to the marriage of daughter Mary Ann O'Brien https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1942/08800/5181285.pdf
Monica
ADDED: The correct link for Anthony's marriage in 1936 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1936/08925/5228309.pdf
Thanks for pointing out my slip up, aghadowey ;)
;D Designated witness, must have looked good in a suit.
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Okay this may take a bit of explaining...
Thomas O'Brien/Brien and Bridget had the following children in 1901- William, Elizabeth, Michael, John.
In 1911 they had 8 children (Bridget mother of 8 children, all living)- which adds Katherine, Thomas, Patrick, Anthony. Three more children born after census- James, Mary Ann, Peter.
William married 1920, Michael witness at Leo's wedding, John married 1922?, Patrick married 1936, Anthony married 1936, James married 1937.
None of them can be Leo which leaves Thomas and Peter.
Now, Thomas's birth registered as Thomas Joseph so I think 'Leo' could be Peter using a middle name not on registration and he dropped name Peter.
Here's Peter birth (1919)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01241/1516112.pdf
If this is Leo then he would have been about 3 years younger than Emily but still a possibility.
The only way to solve this mystery might be church register showing baptism of a Leo or boy with middle name of Leo but too recent to be online.
I'll ask a member of my family again and get back with the big reveal, they remember him living on Lambay Island.
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Wicklow People, 22 July 1944: MARRIAGES – St. Teilo’s Church, Whitechurch, Cardiff with Nuptial Mass, by Fr. B. Driscoll, Peter, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs.O’Brien, Coolnakilly, Glenealy, Co. Wicklow, to Ethel, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. _ Morrisey, St. Luke’s. Cork.
Can you see those Certificates online, if they are from England. I have a few British Certificates to look up, but i don't know the best place to go.
A good few of them did go to England to settle down and have families, most of them are still living there.
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They married in Wales and if I recall returned to Ireland.
There might be an easier way to order than this but this is what I have discovered and hope it helps.
FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ shows the marriage indexes
June quarter 1944 E.Glamorgan volume 11a page 46
Peter O’Brien and Ethel Morrissey
Then go to GRO https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
Order certificates online
Register or Log in
**on the right hand side you see ‘Marriage & Civil Partnership
Then
Order a marriage certificate - I hope this works
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t6h/
If there is a better way, hopefully someone will tell us.
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Wicklow People, 14 Sept.1946: O’Brien- The husband and family of Brigid O’Brien, Coolnakilly, Glenealy, wish to return their sincere that’s to all those who sympathised with them in their …
There is also an announcement , February 1957 re Thomas O’Brien.
That would be this death, 82 yrs of Glenealy.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04402/4146211.pdf
Have you got a link for that announcement.
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They married in Wales and if I recall returned to Ireland.
There might be an easier way to order than this but this is what I have discovered and hope it helps.
FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ shows the marriage indexes
June quarter 1944 E.Glamorgan volume 11a page 46
Peter O’Brien and Ethel Morrissey
Then go to GRO https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
Order certificates online
Register or Log in
**on the right hand side you see ‘Marriage & Civil Partnership
Then
Order a marriage certificate - I hope this works
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t6h/
If there is a better way, hopefully someone will tell us.
I find that site very confusing to be honest, i can't find anything ;D
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Wicklow People, 22 July 1944: MARRIAGES – St. Teilo’s Church, Whitechurch, Cardiff with Nuptial Mass, by Fr. B. Driscoll, Peter, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs.O’Brien, Coolnakilly, Glenealy, Co. Wicklow, to Ethel, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. _ Morrisey, St. Luke’s. Cork.
Yes that’s the one I posted.
Poor Ethel died the following year.
Is there a death certificate for Ethel, what month did she die, what did she die of?
Is there a death cert for Peter as well, i can't find one.
No baptisim cert either, well none that i could find anyway.
Still have to ask, but Peter and Leo could be the same person. If his wife died the year after they were married, if could explain how and why he ended up on Lambay Island, possibly grief stricken.
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No wait a minute, Peter and Leo are two different people.
If Peter married Ethel in 1944 and Leo married Emily Gertrude Hatton in 1943, i do have a copy of their marriage certificate, but it won't let me upload it, says its too large. ::) ;D
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No wait a minute, Peter and Leo are two different people.
If Peter married Ethel in 1944 and Leo married Emily Gertrude Hatton in 1943, i do have a copy of their marriage certificate, but it won't let me upload it, says its too large. ::) ;D
Link posted in Reply #11
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Wicklow People, 22 July 1944: MARRIAGES – St. Teilo’s Church, Whitechurch, Cardiff with Nuptial Mass, by Fr. B. Driscoll, Peter, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs.O’Brien, Coolnakilly, Glenealy, Co. Wicklow, to Ethel, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. _ Morrisey, St. Luke’s. Cork.
Yes that’s the one I posted.
Poor Ethel died the following year.
Is there a death certificate for Ethel, what month did she die, what did she die of?
Is there a death cert for Peter as well, i can't find one.
No baptisim cert either, well none that i could find anyway.
Still have to ask, but Peter and Leo could be the same person. If his wife died the year after they were married, if could explain how and why he ended up on Lambay Island, possibly grief stricken.
It seems that the marriage certificate would help. You can’t put a name in on GRO site search for marriage, if that is what you are trying to do. That is why I gave a list of instructions. There might be an easier way but I coukdn’t find it. However, those instructions should help.
Here is the death. You can just put her name in though, as the site shows births and deaths. There is then a facility to order. It is more straightforward.
Death March quarter 1945, Cardiff volume 11a pg 382
Ethel O'Brien 27 yrs
You can order a copy through GRO site previously linked.
N.B. If ‘O’Brien’ does not give you a result, click on ‘Phonetically similar variations’ on the right. The apostrophe sometimes interferes ;)
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Wicklow People, 22 July 1944: MARRIAGES – St. Teilo’s Church, Whitechurch, Cardiff with Nuptial Mass, by Fr. B. Driscoll, Peter, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs.O’Brien, Coolnakilly, Glenealy, Co. Wicklow, to Ethel, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. _ Morrisey, St. Luke’s. Cork.
Yes that’s the one I posted.
Poor Ethel died the following year.
Is there a death certificate for Ethel, what month did she die, what did she die of?
Is there a death cert for Peter as well, i can't find one.
No baptisim cert either, well none that i could find anyway.
Still have to ask, but Peter and Leo could be the same person. If his wife died the year after they were married, if could explain how and why he ended up on Lambay Island, possibly grief stricken.
It seems that the marriage certificate would help. You can’t put a name in on GRO site search for marriage, if that is what you are trying to do. That is why I gave a list of instructions. There might be an easier way but I coukdn’t find it. However, those instructions should help.
Here is the death. You can just put her name in though, as the site shows births and deaths. There is then a facility to order. It is more straightforward.
Death March quarter 1945, Cardiff volume 11a pg 382
Ethel O'Brien 27 yrs
You can order a copy through GRO site previously linked.
N.B. If ‘O’Brien’ does not give you a result, click on ‘Phonetically similar variations’ on the right. The apostrophe sometimes interferes ;)
Thank you.
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Looking for Andrew Brien's parentage, born 1830 died 1910.
His Father William O Brien 1796-1878.
His Mother, two possible people, i haven't been able to locate a birth certificate for him.
1. Eliza Doyle
2. Eliza McGrath 1808-1851
His siblings:
Sarah Brien 1833-1917
Mary Ann Bryan 1845-1913
Ruth Bryan 1849-1927
He was married twice, first to a Mary Neill 1826-1865. They had one daughter, Margaret Brien 1864, haven't found any more kids yet with that wife.
Second wife, Elizabeth Russell 1850-1900. Children; Patrick O Brien 1869, Eliza Brien 1871-1956, Thomas O Brien 1873-1957.
Thank you in advance.
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Looking for Andrew Brien's parentage, born 1830 died 1910.
His Father William O Brien 1796-1878.
His Mother, two possible people, i haven't been able to locate a birth certificate for him.
Of course you haven't. He was born long before birth registration.
And you made no mention of where he was from.
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The church record of Andrew's second marriage gives his mother as Eliza Doyle-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:62MW-FP4P
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0464
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The church record of Andrew's second marriage gives his mother as Eliza Doyle-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:62MW-FP4P
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0464
Thank you.
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Looking for Andrew Brien's parentage, born 1830 died 1910.
His Father William O Brien 1796-1878.
His Mother, two possible people, i haven't been able to locate a birth certificate for him.
Of course you haven't. He was born long before birth registration.
And you made no mention of where he was from.
Well Thomas O Brien is from Wicklow, Coolinakily Glenealy.
But I'm not sure if his father William was born there or not, because there seems to be an English connection when you go further back.
Now i did get two names from another members family tree for Williams parents, they had Williams parents in as Saml Brien and Mary Deasy. But i don't know how acurate that information is, or if they are Irish or English.
I was really just looking for Andrews Mother, because there was two different names i found in other family members trees and i just wanted to know which one was the legit one.