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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: Tonyby57 on Thursday 27 June 24 16:06 BST (UK)
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I've been trying to discover more about my 2x Great Grandfather, John Hayes, who was born c.1816 in Curracloe, County Wexford, Ireland. John, a tailor, left Ireland at some point and in 1837 married Elizabeth Hamilton, a dressmaker, in Liverpool, UK. Elizabeth was born in 1821 in Ballinamona, County Wexford. John & Elizabeth's marriage record tells us that their fathers names were George Hayes, a labourer, and John Hamilton, a weaver/farmer. That's all I know so If any of this sounds familiar please get in touch. Thank you, Tony
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Where did you get the information that John was from Curracloe, and Elizabeth from Ballinamona?
Also you don't mention their religions.
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The only clue about the Curracloe link came from a death notice published in the Liverpool Mercury, February 1875. I learned much about the Ballinamona Hamilton's from an Irish genealogy group. So, I don't know anything from before John Hayes and his father George. I'm intrigued by the Hamilton's since it appears they were incredibly resilient; navigating the Tithe Wars, Legal battles with Landlords and the Great Hunger.
Is your interest personal?
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I think John Hayes was Church of Ireland and Elizabeth was RC.
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Elizabeth Hamilton. baptized 13/11/1821, address Ballinamona, parish of Ballyoughter. parents John Hamilton and Catherine Kenny. Sponsors James and Catherine Hamilton.
Ballinamona later became part of the parish of Camolin.
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Link for baptism of Elizabeth in 1821.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634016#page/65/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634016#page/65/mode/1up)
Baptized as "Bess"
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I think John Hayes was Church of Ireland and Elizabeth was RC.
What is the evidence for John being CofI? Can you post the obituary notice?
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Note, there are two townlands by the name of Ballinamona in Co. Wexford.
One in the civil parish of Ballycanew, one in Toome.
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Tythe valuations show Hamiltons in both Ballinamona, and Toome (aka Toombe)
https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=hamilton&firstname=&county=Wexford&parish=&townland=&search=Search (https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=hamilton&firstname=&county=Wexford&parish=&townland=&search=Search)
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Griffith's Valuation, in 1853, shows a John Hamilton in Ballinamona, with a 56-2-24 acre farm, and house valued at 1-10-0 (L-s-d)
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Elizabeth had at least 4 siblings, born Ballinamona 1819 - 1830.
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While the NAI site lists Thomas Hamilton as being in Ballinamona in 1833, my reading of the oriinal entry is J. Hamilton - consistent with John.
https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587403/004587403_00491.pdf (https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587403/004587403_00491.pdf)
He was farming 34-2-0 acres. These are Irish acres, equivalent to 56 English acres, so the same farm as in Griffith's Valuation in 1853.
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An aspect of this doesn't seem "right" to me:
The John Hamilton of Ballinamona was a substantial farmer. It doesn't fit this profile for his daughter to be a dressmaker in Liverpool, married at age 16 to a tailor.
So, I wonder is this is the correct Elizabeth Hamilton.
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An aspect of this doesn't seem "right" to me:
The John Hamilton of Ballinamona was a substantial farmer. It doesn't fit this profile for his daughter to be a dressmaker in Liverpool, married at age 16 to a tailor.
So, I wonder is this is the correct Elizabeth Hamilton.
The Elizabeth Hamilton who married John Byrne in Ballyoughter on 11-Feb-1846, would seem to me to be a much stronger candidate to be the Elizabeth Hamilton born in Ballinamona in 1821.
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The Elizabeth Hamilton who married John Byrne in Ballyoughter on 11-Feb-1846, would seem to me to be a much stronger candidate to be the Elizabeth Hamilton born in Ballinamona in 1821.
I think my suspicion is confirmed. This Elizabeth Hamilton had a daughter, Mary Byrne, in Ballinamona in 1847. Sponsor Charles Hamilton - her known brother, born 1824.
So, I am afraid that the origin of OP's Elizabeth Hamilton was misidentified - not the "Bess" Hamilton baptized Ballinamona in 1821.
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An alternative candidate for OP's Elizabeth Hamilton is the one born and baptized 9/Nov/1815 in New Ross. Daughter of John Hamilton and Elizabeth Brennan.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634101#page/47/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634101#page/47/mode/1up)
Of course that would need to be investigated in more detail.
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I think John Hayes was Church of Ireland and Elizabeth was RC.
What is the basis for this?
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Griffith's Valuation in 1853 shows a George Hayes with a small 3 acre holding in the townland of Coolrainey, which adjoins the townland of Curracloe.
https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/st-margarets/ardcolm/coolrainey/ (https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/st-margarets/ardcolm/coolrainey/)
Note that the village of Curracloe is not in the townland of the same name, so "Curracloe" has a more general application. Also the famous Curracloe beach of course.
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George Hayes of Coolrainey died 30/1/1875, aged 78. Ages were often underestimated though.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1875/020630/7238445.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1875/020630/7238445.pdf)
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Marriage of Archbold Hayes, son of George, in 1874.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11232/8118266.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11232/8118266.pdf)
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Archbold was apparently baptized as Archy Stephen Hayes on 12-Jan-1843, son of George Hayes and Mag Lalor.
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Wow!
A bit confused but thank you for this. I've attached the 1837 marriage record of John & Elizabeth, in Liverpool, at St Nicholas' Church, which I now think was RC and demolished in the '70's. There is another St Nicholas in Liverpool which is CofE.
I've also attached a copy of John Hayes' death notice.
Confused! Help!
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Sorry I'm having trouble reducing the size of the documents, will try again later.
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Attachments
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The 1837 marriage is clearly Church of England. It says "Established Church".
When did John die? In this thread OP says 1875, and there is an online family tree saying 1875, but there is also a second tree saying 1885.
Is there a death registration?
What is there to say Elizabeth Hamilton was from Wexford?
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Family documents and Find My Past
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I can see the family in the 1841, 51 and 61 censuses of England, but not 1871.
Any sign of them in 71?
In 1841 ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 years. With that in mind, I see
John Hayes - 30 born Ireland, i.e 30-34 years old, tailor
Elizabeth " - 20 born Ireland, i.e. 20-24 yo.
Mary " - 2, born Lancashire.
George " - 20, born Ireland, i.e. 20-24 yo, tailor.
This George must be a brother of John.
John's age makes it difficult for him to be the son of the George Hayes who died in Coolrainey in 1875. Also this George in Liverpool makes it difficult for John to be the brother of the George in Ireland?
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John and Elizabeth had a son, George Hayes, born 1/1/1843. Baptized Catholic in St. Mary's, Liverpool, 8/1/1843.
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This one has the same address as the death notice
1871 3771 /56/3
19 Hockenhall Alley
John Hayes widower 55 yrs Tailor
William 22 yrs
Elizabeth 18 yrs
Margaret 15 yrs
Thomas 12 yrs
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Yes, and Thomas aged 12 yrs in this census is my Great Grandfather. I am trying to find the Hayes family from Curracloe, and beyond.
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I am trying to find the Hayes family from Curracloe, and beyond.
I think that is understood. Everything I posted is directly relevant to your Hayes/Hamilton line.
In particular, I have posted data to call into question the identification of your Elizabeth Hamilton with the Elizabeth baptized in Ballinamona in 1821.
I have also demonstrated that it is difficult to tie your John Hayes directly to the Hayes family remaining in the Curracloe area - though the name "George" is common to both.
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Thank you Wexflyer