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Researching my husbands family and unsure whether on the right track. His great grandmother shows on 1881 census as Emma Elizabeth Kemp with father Fred Kemp and mother Hannah and living inPontefract Yorkshire.Not been able to trace her birth. Came across a comment that Fred Kemp is actually David Finbow, son of William and Mahala ( nee Kemp) who was baptised in Mendlesham in 1837. I then found Emma Elizabeth Finbow baptised 1872 , and parents and siblings on census 1871. Unable to fathom why someone would change their name and relocate up here to Yorkshire or is the link between David/Fred a mistake. Hopefully someone far cleverer than me will have some ideas! Apologies for the long post.
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This family?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Y-3634 in 1881 as Kemp
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFFT-HC9 in 1871 as Finbow
In what names are the various children baptised/born - can you figure out when the change took place? It looks like there could be some children missing (judging on the years), perhaps unfortunately some infant deaths.
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ does show some entries for David Finbow that might be relevant. Particularly a theft charge around 1871 (stealing turnips). It might have been as simple as him giving his mother's surname as his own to avoid the association and help him get/keep a job.
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Yes those are the family records. We weren't aware of the 36 turnips sca dal so that could indeed be the reason for the change, he was still Finbow when Emma Elizabeth was baptised in 1872 so it may be he needed a 'clean slate' when moving north. Thanks for the info.
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Welcome to Rootschat. Is this the birth registration & census you mention?
FINBOW, EMMA ELIZABETH
SPEARS
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in BOSMERE Volume 04A Page 610
1881 New Town, Pontefract, Yorkshire
Fred Kemp Married 35 1846 Coal miner Suffolk
Hannah Kemp Wife 34 1847 Suffolk
Fred Kemp Son 17 1864 Coal miner Suffolk
Harry Kemp Son 16 1865 Coal miner Essex
Morris Kemp Son 11 1870 Essex
Emma Kemp Daughter 9 1872 Scholar Suffolk
Alfred Kemp Son 0 1881 Pontefract, Yorkshire
Colin
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Just for information.
William Finbow to Mahala Kemp
Marriage Date 18 Dec 1835
Mendlesham, Suffolk, England
No mothers maiden name, recorded as Finbow on freebmd.
FINBON, DAVID
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GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in HARTISMERE UNION Volume 13 Page 316
Colin
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Yes those are the relevant records. I think he was possibly trying to hide past brushes with the law.
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This was the birth registration I posted, are you sure this is the correct one?
FINBOW, EMMA ELIZABETH mmn SPEARS
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in BOSMERE Volume 04A Page 610
You also mentioned that you had the 1871 census, I guess you mean't the 1881 I posted?
Can you please clarify his parents marriage.
Colin
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Sorry I didn't set it out very clearly but David, Hannah and the older children are on the 1871 census. Emma Elizabeth Finbow is recorded as baptised in 1872. Then they all appear in 1881 as Kemp family, with fathers name as Fred and include Emma.
Couldn't find any trace of the family as Finbow after 1871 apart from Emma's baptism.
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Do you have the marriage record for David Finbrow to Hannah Spears?
Colin
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Do you have the marriage record for David Finbrow to Hannah Spears?
Colin
There is a transcript on Ancestry it was at Wrabness on 14 Sep 1861, his father William, her father William as well, she was 17, he was 21. Her surname recorded as Speare
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It does appear that David did change his name somewhere between 1872 and 1881 and the only clue as to why is the theft of 36 turnips!
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[quote author=LizzieL link=topic=884407.msg7574270#msg7574270
There is a transcript on Ancestry it was at Wrabness on 14 Sep 1861, his father William, her father William as well, she was 17, he was 21. Her surname recorded as Speare
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Thanks for the information Lizzie, still not seeing it on Ancestry, must be me. However on freebmd below.
Marriages Sep 1861
David FINNBOW Tendring
Hannah SPEARE Tendring
4a 321
Based on the age at marriage and place of birth on 1881, possible birth below?
SPEAR, HANNAH mmn SHEPHARD
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in HARTISMERE Volume 13 Page 463
Colin
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On the West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers for 1889 there is this person -
Name: Frederic Kemp Finbow
Residence Date : 1889
Residence Place: Doncaster, West Yorkshire, England
Street Address: Woodsetts, Worksop
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Children's birth registrations, despite the variations in mothers maiden name and ages it all seems to fit.
FINBOW, FREDERICK SPEARS 1863 HARTISMERE
FINBOW, HENRY SPIRRS 1866 TENDRING
FINBOW, MAURICE PEIRCE 1869 TENDRING
FINBOW, EMMA ELIZABETH SPEARS 1872 BOSMERE
KEMP, ALFRED PEARSE 1880 PONTEFRACT
KEMP, HARRIET ANNIE PEARS 1885 PONTEFRACT
1891/1901 Featherstone, Pontefract, Yorkshire (Order of names differs 91/01)
Fred Kemp 49/70 Head
Hannah E Kemp 45/51 Wife
Mary Kemp 30/- Daughter – only appearance?
Maurice/Morris Kemp 20/31 Son
Emma Kemp 19/- Daughter
Alfred Kemp 11/20 Son ----------Died there 1950, wife Emma
Harriet/Annie Kemp 6/15 Daughter
Frederick H Kemp 27/35 Son
Emma Kemp -/29 Daughter-in-law
Fred Kemp -/8 Son
David Kemp -/6 Son
Harry and family next entry. 1891
David Finbow Born 1837, 1871 to 1901 censuses-1841/1846/1842/1821
One tree has this death of David but birth about 1833?
KEMP, FREDERICK 69
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in PONTEFRACT Volume 09C Page 71
Colin
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1891/1901 Featherstone, Pontefract, Yorkshire (Order of names differs 91/01)
Fred Kemp 49/70 Head
Hannah E Kemp 45/51 Wife
Mary Kemp 30/- Daughter – only appearance?
Maurice/Morris Kemp 20/31 Son
Emma Kemp 19/- Daughter
Alfred Kemp 11/20 Son ----------Died there 1950, wife Emma
Harriet/Annie Kemp 6/15 Daughter
Frederick H Kemp 27/35 Son
Emma Kemp -/29 Daughter-in-law
Fred Kemp -/8 Son
David Kemp -/6 Son
Harry and family next entry. 1891
are David and Fred very jnr sons or grandsons of Fred snr? I read it as they were sons of Frederick H and wife Emma.
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That's the way they appear on the original census on Ancestry but I believe they are the sons of Fred junior.
The only way I found the two census returns was through Alfred, there is quite a lot of information on him attached to those returns.
Colin