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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Roscommon => Topic started by: KitCarson on Saturday 24 August 24 16:33 BST (UK)
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Hello Rootschatters,
On NLI I've found a Baptism for Peter Cunningham 4th Oct 1825 in Killukin, Rosscommen. Parents Peter and Mariae McNiece
Killucan | Microfilm 04606 / 05
Diocese of Elphin | County of Roscommon
Baptisms
24 Jun. 1811 to 27 Jun. 1833
I've noticed that there are 2 Killucan/Killukin in Rosscommen. One near Strokestown and one near Carrick-on Shannon.
Does anyone know which Killucan/Killukin these records reflect? I've checked/scrolled from 1820-1828 for any possible siblings, but couldn't find any.
Any help would be appreciated.
Kit
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Killucan is the R.C. parish-
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0554?locale=en (see map)
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Hi aghadowey, that was the record set I was searching (thanks for the link).
So, you're suggesting it's neither of those places?
When I search on Killucan, it brings me east of Mullingar. Is that the place you consider these records to be from? Peter died in 1885 in Widnes, which was then in Lancashire (now Cheshire I think). On all census from 1841 when he married his wife Roseanna Murphy in Glasgow, Scotland, his birthplace is just indexed as 'Ireland'.
As always, I appreciate your help,
Kit
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Use the link to Irish Ancestors on the bottom of the main parish page to see places in the parish.
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Hi Sinann,
Thanks for the advice. It took me a little while to move around and find the correct link to the information, but I got there in the end.
I'll continue to try and find out more about this family but I don't think there will be much available to confirm they are mine. DNA isn't helping much either!
Kit
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If you can bear with me, another daft lassie question?
Does that mean that the family resided in either:
Kilcolagh (County Roscommon)
Killukin (Boyle) (County Roscommon)
Killummod (County Roscommon)
Tumna (County Roscommon)
As these are shown as 'civic parishes relating to Killucan Catholic Church'
Also, is anyone aware of the location of the Church and whether it's still standing? I can see a Cemetery in Killukin and the aerial map shows what could be a dilapidated building?
Thanks in advance.
Kit
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Many of these Catholic parishes covered a number of civil parishes and had more than one church, several of the alternate names for the parish suggests at least two : 'Killukin and Killumod', 'Killucan and Ballinameen'
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athacliath62,
Thanks for that information. I haven't done much research using Irish records although 3 of my grandparents came from Irish roots and moved to Lancashire. I was hoping to find other children born to Peter & Mary but didn't see any.
I only know where one line is from (Kilrush, Ferns, County Wexford) for my Ronan (GGM). For my Kelly side 'Mullingar' was on the 1911 E&W Census but I don't know if that is the town or a wider area? My other Carson side came over to Lancashire from Belfast but I think their origins are Scottish.
Edit: This Cunningham side is my maternal Grandmother whose mum was a Daley from Galway.
Kit
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Back again ;D
Ancestry has what they state is a basic transcript of the record from NLI.
Name Petrum Cunningham
Gender Male
Baptism Date 4 Oct 1825
Baptism Place Kilcooley, Roscommon, Ireland
Father
Petri Cunningham
Mother
Mariae Mc Niece
FHL Film Number 989741
How do they 'know' the Baptism Place is Kilcooley? Is Kilcooley the small 5-6 mile area near Tulsk or is there a larger area which has the same name?
Appreciate any help/advice.
Kit
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They don’t know, it’s just an example of why transcripts can’t be trusted.
He was baptised in the RC Parish of Killucan, there is sadly nothing on the entry to indicate where in the parish he was living.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633944?locale=en#page/68/mode/1up
Perhaps it would help you understand if you knew a bit more about land division in Ireland
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-land-divisions.html
Particularly the section on parishes.
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Thanks again Sinann, and for the link.
Kit
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Not sure if this helps but here we go.
If you look at the first page of each set of records for Killucan https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0554?locale=en
it shows ‘Croghan’ which, I assume, was the relevant church.
This does not mean that the family resided in Croghan townland, https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/boyle/killukin/croghan/croghan/ but presumably in that area.
Tithe Applotments records does not have a Cunningham record in Killukin civil parish but there is a ‘McNieve’ (not McNiece) in Ardakillin townland.
Griffiths valuation https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/roscommon/killukin.htm shows both surnames.
Griffiths is a later record that the Tithes records.
You can search around for mention of the Catholic and Civil Parishes.
Here is some information:
https://www.swilson.info/rcparishlink.php?seldioceseid=0&selrcparid=971&parl=1&lmode=map&anch=0&bsrch=
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Shows location of Killukin Church + Grave Yd
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Many thanks heywood. I will look at all the links from you and others over the coming days.
Hannes, very grateful for the map. It certainly looks like the same Killukin Church/cemetery you can see as an aerial view on Street View. Was that on NLS or another site? I couldn't easily see anything relevant on NLS when I looked, however, I'm not great at searching.
Kit
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Was that on NLS or another site? I couldn't easily see anything relevant on NLS when I looked, however, I'm not great at searching.
Using the OSi National Townland and Historical Map Viewer.
https://osi.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=bc56a1cf08844a2aa2609aa92e89497e
Here's the MapGenie 25 Inch - ITM [1897-1913] map for Killukin church and its graveyard.
https://arcg.is/0WeuDD (you can pan in all directions)
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Thanks for the link Kiltaglassan.
Kit
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Always puzzled by dates of these maps on Mapgenie. I think I posted an extract from a late map.
This might be an early map (1829-42?) - which does not show a church.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=3ae19cc156bf4706a929304bf8fcc4f6
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I can rarely find my way round those maps.
This says the church (Croghan) was built 1802 and refers to the Catholic NLI records.
https://www.irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/history-and-genealogy/buildings-database/st-michaels-church-croghan#tabB
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The dates of the maps are here
https://www.tailte.ie/en/surveying/products/professional-mapping/historical-maps-and-data/