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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: AntonP on Wednesday 30 October 24 05:17 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find dates for the following family generations.
James Rogers whose middle name was maybe Cecil. He married Alice Anne Pascoe (?). Not quite sure of her surname.
Their daughter was Millicent Rogers
Millicent married Cecil Thomas.
I believe they were all Cambourne based except for James for a time.
James Rogers left his wife and went to the USA maybe after gold. In 1884 he indicated his intention of becoming a USA citizen while in California and was granted citizenship in 1892 in the county of Silver Bow, Montana. He returned ill to the UK where he died.
Cecil Thomas also left his wife but lived his whole life in Cornwall.
If anyone has access to BMD dates for these people I would be very grateful to get this information.
Thank you very much.
Anton
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Having trouble finding this family with the dates associated with James but wonder whether this might be Annie Alice Rogers in 1901 with daughter Millicent - living in Camborne
Alice Rogers 35 Widow Caretaker Wesleyain Institute
Millicent Rogers 9 Daughter
and Annie Alice in 1871 - living with family in Camborne and listed as born there
Elizabeth Pascoe 48 Head Housekeeper b Gwinear, Cornwall
William L Pascoe 16 Son
Elizabeth M Pascoe 15 Daughter
Saml H Pascoe 13 Son
Howard Pascoe 9 Son
Alice A Pascoe 5 Daughter
Jane Hall 50 Servant
Kay
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Possible birth for Millicent from the GRO Birth Index with mothers maiden name Pascoe
ROGERS, THOMASINE MILLICENT mmn PASCOE
GRO Ref 1891 S Quarter in REDRUTH Volume 05C Page 214
Kay
Added - And in 1911 Alice and Millicent living with a Cecil Thomas in Camborne
Alice Rogers 46 Widow b Camborne
Millicent Rogers 19 b Camborne
Cecil Thomas 21 b Hayle Cornwall - Clerk at Engineering Works
Couldn't resist getting the birth of Thomasine Millicent Rogers which confirms her father was James Corin Rogers - a Tin Miner
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There is a possible marriage on the FreeBMD index below which includes a James Corin Rogers and Alice Pascoe and in 1891 Alice was living at home with her mother and listed as Alice Rogers married
Marriages Sep 1890 Redruth Vol 5c Qtr 344
In 1894 FreeBMD lists a death in a James Corin Rogers??
Deaths Sep 1894
Rogers James Corin 33 Redruth 5c 128
And possible birth in 1861 from the GRO Birth index
ROGERS, JAMES mmn CORIN
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in REDRUTH Volume 05C Page 293
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Kay 999, thank you so much for searching for this information. You have found the right family members.
It certainly seems that James Rogers did not live in the US for long after getting his citizenship and ties in with family stories of him retuning home to the UK, sick and dying there. The story of him going to the US ties in with him being a tin miner. I suppose at that stage tin mining, always hard, was in decline and the California gold rush was on, although if memory serves me, also starting to decline. Not an easy life for anyone in the family.
I believe three female family members, Annie, Millicent and one other are buried together in the Methodist chapel, Cambourne cemetery.
Again, I much appreciate our help.
Anton
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From the marriage record, he would appear to be
Edward Cecil Thomas dec qtr 1916 Redruth vol 5c pg 391 to Millicent T Rogers
birth reg
Edward Cecil Thomas june qtr 1890 Redruth vol 5c pg 224 mmn Mitchell
school admission record gives a dob as a year before his birth was registered, father Henry
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=school_admissions&id=16712
1901 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSHQ-JVW
1891 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WXVR-SZM
He was a witness on his older brother's remarriage in 1928
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=1937229
possible death reg
Edward C Thomas 64 march qtr 1955 Penzance vol 7a pg 137
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Glad it ties in Anton
I think this is the marriage of James Corin's parents in 1852 from FreeBMD
Catherin Corin - John Rogers
Marriages Mar 1852 Redruth Vol 5c Page 408
And the family in 1871 (all born Camborne) with a daughter called Thomasine - which might explain Millicent's middle name
John Rogers 53 Railway Gatekeeper
Catherine Rogers 46
Fanny Rogers 15
John Rogers 19
Thomasine Rogers 16
Mary Rogers 13
Mathew Rogers 12
James Rogers 10
I also hopefully attach two newspaper articles on the sad death of James Rogers in 1894
Kay
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Kay999
Thank you so much especially for an interesting newspaper article from the Cornishman. James Rogers reputation down the ages is one of someone who abandoned his wife and child and then had the nerve to return home when he was sick.
It seems from the tone of the article and the eulogy that he was quite respected. It does mention he leaves a young widow and child (which I assume was Annie Alice Rogers and child Millicent). I wonder what the true story was.
Kay, does the story mention which chapel the funeral was held at?
Again, thanks
Anton
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I haven't found a burial but it may have been at a Wesleyian Chapel so I will have a look.
His father John died in the 1895 so they have been buried in the same place. James does sound a good man and well respected but after his 1890 marriage could he have gone aboard at that point and just returned pre his death?? In 1881 he is living with his parents in Camborne but I can't see him in the 1891 census in Camborne
Kay
Added - Attached James's death cert - His death was registered by his brother in law
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Kay, on 18 October 1888 he was in the county of Amader (spelling?), California applying for USA citizenship. On 11 October 1892 he was in Silver Bow, Montana at the 'District court of the second judicial district of the state of Montana, County of Silver Bow' again about his citizenship. Interestingly the 1892 document says he said he had resided in the USA for the last 5 years and in Montana for the last 1 year. As he was not in the 1891 census he must have come back after that date to Cornwall to marry Annie Alice Pascoe in Sept 1891. Millicent, their only child was born May (?)1892. So then he went back to the US as per the October 1892 court record. Then he came back to Cornwall possibly in 1894 to die in August 1894.
I have just found out an important point that due to the unemployment in Cornwall he moved to the USA to try and find a better life. In Montana with another friend he planned to run a pub. Obviously his cancer made him return home to family.
James died at an address in Trevenson street which is close to a Wesleyan chapel in Chapel street but the chapel his wife and daughter and Elizabeth Pascoe are buried in is the Centenary Wesleyan Chapel located at the top of Trelowarren Street.
Kay, again thanks so much for all your research, its been incredibly helpful. Anton
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Glad it's useful - I love a puzzle
I think this is James's brother in law in 1891 who registered his death- Also living with him is James's father Address 3, South Terrace, Camborne
Edward Eudy 30 Steam engine fitter Camborne
Mary Eudy Wife 33 Camborne
Edward John Eudy 8 Camborne, Cornwall, England
Maria ?Eudy 7 Scholar Camborne, Cornwall, England
Ethel Mary Eudy 5 Camborne, Cornwall, England
John Rogers Father in law Widower 74 Railway gate keeper Camborne
Kay
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Kay, on 18 October 1888 he was in the county of Amader (spelling?), California applying for USA citizenship. On 11 October 1892 he was in Silver Bow, Montana at the 'District court of the second judicial district of the state of Montana, County of Silver Bow' again about his citizenship. Interestingly the 1892 document says he said he had resided in the USA for the last 5 years and in Montana for the last 1 year. As he was not in the 1891 census he must have come back after that date to Cornwall to marry Annie Alice Pascoe in Sept 1891. Millicent, their only child was born May (?)1892.
Millicent was born on 31 May 1891 as the birth cert I posted previously and the death cert I think below :-\
Millicent Thomasine Thomas
Death Age 80
Birth Date 31 May 1891
Registration Date Apr Qtr 1972
Registration district Truro
Volume 7a
Page 575
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burial from the OPC database
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=5256084
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Kay, Osprey
Thanks for the correction Kay and also confirmation of burial Osprey.
I need to slightly readjust his probable travel dates to and from the USA.
He might have travelled to the USA 5 years before 1892 per his statements to the court in 1892. ie in about 1888.
On 18 October 1888 he was in the county of Amader (spelling?), California applying for USA citizenship at the age of 27.
He must have come back after that date to Cornwall to marry Annie Alice Pascoe in Sept 1890.
Millicent, their only child was born May 1891.
He was not found in the 1891 UK census.
He then went back to the USA at some time later as on 11 October 1892 he was in Silver Bow, Montana at the 'District court of the second judicial district of the state of Montana, County of had resided in the USA for the last 5 years and in Montana for the last 1 year.
Then he came back to Cornwall possibly in 1894 to die in August 1894.
Millicent Thomasine Roger's husband, Edward Cecil Thomas b June qtr1890, died March 1955 had a father Henry Thomas and the mother might have been a Mitchell per the birth registration. Would it be stretching the 'friendship' to ask if the Thomas side of the family could be traced back a bit in time as you seem to have access to great records? Edward Cecil Thomas left his wife but never divorced and moved to St Ives where he had another partner.
Thanks again for all your information.
Anton
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marriage registration
Henry Thomas june qtr 1886 Redruth vol 5c pg 363 with Julia Mitchell on the same page
marriage certificate would confirm names of the fathers & their occupations
Probable 1881 census for Henry, in Penpol Terrace, occupation accountant
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27H-LL44
1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFTW-DF9
1861 with father Nicholas
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M78H-RQM
1864 burial of Nicholas
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=2528693
birth reg
Henry Thomas march qtr 1858 Redruth vol 5c pg 320 mmn Penaluna
marriage of Nicholas Thomas & Susan Penaluna
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=964777
baptism for Nicholas
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=3253720
baptism for Susan
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=3550416
marriage of Susan's parents in Sithney
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=1544819
(the witness, William Russell, was the parish clerk & my 4xggrandfather)
1881 census for Julia Mitchell
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27H-LLYL
1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFT7-TRF
Baptism shows Julia's mother as Elizabeth Emma, not Cecilia as per wife in 1871 & 1881
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=6776805
birth reg
Julia Mitchell march qtr 1858 Redruth vol 5c pg 313 mmn Mills
marriage of father Joseph
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/marriages/?forename1=joseph+a&multiname=1&surname1=mitchell&bf=Search
death reg of Elizabeth Emma
Elizabeth Emma Mitchell 32 march qtr 1862 Redruth vol 5c pg 213
2nd marriage
Joseph Arthur T Mitchell sept qtr 1868 Redruth vol 5c pg 350 with Cecilia Dunn on the same page
Opc database - transcribed & indexed records
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/person-search/
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Osprey
Thank you so much for all this information! I have my head down and now able to follow further back.
William Russel - what a coincidence but doing the various family histories I have found that so often the histories of different families have links. As the parish clerk, William's name must be on hundreds of certificates.
Interesting seeing the name Penaluna come up. Have done a quick read up on its origin and seems its based around or from Cornwall and the story is its from Spanish traders/sailors (tin?) who settled there and some even claim its from the armada but there is no proof of the latter.
Again, thanks for all your time.
Anton