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Title: Betsey Tom(p)kin(s)
Post by: Bunnygirl on Tuesday 24 December 24 15:32 GMT (UK)
Merry Christmas Everyone
I'm looking for baptism for a Betsey Tomkins   possible St Paul's Bedford from 1832 to 35 her father is a James Tomkins. Any variation on Tompkins
I have her  marriage certificate 25 Dec 1858 to Thomas Parker which she states her father as James Tompkins deceased Farm labourer
I also have her on 1861 to 1891 census where she declares born St Pauls, Bedford & Elstow.

Thomas Parker dies in 1863 & she then marries Joseph Pestill in 1874.

Help with 1841 & 51 census for Betsey would be great

Thanks
Bunnygirl
Title: Re: Betsey Tom(p)kin(s)
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 24 December 24 16:21 GMT (UK)
Marriage Dec qtr 1858 
Parker    Thomas       
Tompkins    Betsey       
Bedford RD    3b   772   
Did this marriage take place in St Pauls  :-\

Marriage Mar qtr 1874
Parker    Betsy       
Pestell    Joseph       
Bedford RD    3b   423

Where was she living in 1861
Found her living Milton Ernest  :)
RG09
Piece  986
Folio 56
Page 13
Title: Re: Betsey Tom(p)kin(s)
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 24 December 24 16:31 GMT (UK)
This is in St Paul's in 1841 - both born in county.

Martha Tomkins    50
Elizabeth Tomkins     8

Piece 10, folio   14, p22
Title: Re: Betsey Tom(p)kin(s)
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 24 December 24 16:33 GMT (UK)
Have you discounted the Elizabeth Tomkins age 8 in 1841
HO107
Piece  10
Book  10
Folio 14
Page  22
Living at Greyfriars Walk, Bedford with Martha Tomkins age 50 Ind(ependent)
Both born in County

ADDED
Beat me to it Mabel  :)

Title: Re: Betsey Tom(p)kin(s)
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 24 December 24 16:36 GMT (UK)
Also a possibility in 1851, St John Street, Bedford but gives PoB as Kempston.  Servant to Isaac Elger
HO107
Birth town as transcribed Kempston
Piece number 1751
Folio 709
Page 11
Title: Re: Betsey Tom(p)kin(s)
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 24 December 24 16:37 GMT (UK)
Interesting that her first daughter is Matilda. In 1841 Martha and Elizabeth appear to be in the same building, but recorded as a different household as two Matilda Franklins (mother and infant daughter). The mother's maiden name is Howard.

Who are the witnesses to Betsey's weddings? Any clues there?
Title: Re: Betsey Tom(p)kin(s)
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 24 December 24 16:39 GMT (UK)
Possible marriage for Martha at Bedford 29 Apr 1833
James Tomkins and Martha Howard
Title: Re: Betsey Tom(p)kin(s)
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 24 December 24 16:42 GMT (UK)
Quote from: rosie99 on Tuesday 24 December 24 16:36 GMT (UK)
Also a possibility in 1851, St John Street, Bedford but gives PoB as Kempston.  Servant to Isaac Elger
HO107
Birth town as transcribed Kempston
Piece number 1751
Folio 709
Page 11

Maybe discount this one, she could be the daughter of John & Rebecca who was baptised at Kempston 03 Apr 1836
Title: Re: Betsey Tom(p)kin(s)
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 24 December 24 16:58 GMT (UK)
Bedford workhouse records have Betsey Tomkins and two illegitimate children Martha and Arthur admitted in December 1854, chargeable to St Pauls. The children die there 1 March 1855, both aged 4.5 months. Betsey left 15 March

Title: Re: Betsey Tom(p)kin(s)
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 24 December 24 17:06 GMT (UK)
Looks like Matilda Franklin nee Howard was Betsey's older sister, and Martha was a widow on marrying James Tomkins

Matilda Howard
Birth    14 Feb 1821
Baptism    29 Apr 1821 Saint Paul, Bedford
Father    Rheuben Howard
Mother    Martha Lane

Title: Re: Betsey Tom(p)kin(s)
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 24 December 24 17:19 GMT (UK)
Burial at St Mary the Virgin, Goldington, Bedford- 27 Oct 1835 - James Tomkins age 54  :-\
Title: Re: Betsey Tom(p)kin(s)
Post by: Bunnygirl on Thursday 26 December 24 08:24 GMT (UK)
Thank you all for your replies.
Betsey as I suspected started out as Elizabeth Tomkins.
I did see the Workhouse entry will have to do a bit more research on that.
Matilda Franklin (Betsey's elder sister) was witness to Betsey's marriage to Thomas Parker marriage at Bedford Register's Office 25 December 1858.

Many thanks again
Bunnygirl :D