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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Topic started by: roadrunner465 on Tuesday 13 September 05 23:29 BST (UK)
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Can anyone find the marriage info between Thomas B Jones ( to Clare Williams around 1912-1914. Their first son was born abt 1915, so I think the above dates are ok.
I have looked everywhere, but cannot find any records of any of the family, so the marriage might help.
I would appreciate your help
Joy
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Hi Joy,
There is only one marriage in the BMD idexes for a CLAIRE WILLIAMS (None for CLARE) in the period 1900-1920 and that took place in 1918. The husband's name was Price so I don't think it's the one you're looking for. No DEMAIDS in the index either. There are 38 marriages between THOMAS JONES and WILLIAMS but none of these Thomases have the middle initial B.
I think your best bet might be to find the birth record - the mother's maiden name is included in the index for births from this period so it should be possible to narrow it down. What was their first son's name?
Regards,
Allan
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Thanks for the info. It is possible that Jones left out the name Benjamin .Their first sons name was Dennis R., then
Brynley V, then Ronald Thomas. I think Dennis was born first because they were all killed in WW2 and in the Commonwealth War Graves it said he was 30. I just received the info re their deaths, so I am in the process of sending to the UK for the Certs. My problem is the family, where are they?
Can you tell me where you got the Williams and Jones from and can I possibly look at them
Thanks again
Joy
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Sorry
I forgot to say, that I am unable to find the birth record because we have no idea who Clares parents were. She has a sister Roselyn, Olive and a brother Aubrey, but all the family except an 87 year old daughter Clare Elaine Jones who I also cannot find (are no more.)
I am trying to do this for her so that she can have some peace.
Joy
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Hi Joy,
I think I've found the marriage!
June Quarter 1914
Hereford 6a 1194
Jones, Thomas B
Williams, Clara
I was looking in Wales and didn't think to check just the other side of the border and it looks as though Clare was in fact Clara!
I got the information from a new site that I've just started looking at that has a searchable transcription index for the BMD indexes for England and Wales from 1866-1920.
www.familyrelatives.org
I've just subscribed and was looking for a project to test it out when I saw your post.
Regards,
Allan
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Alan,
the info looks good. Is there a reference for me to look at
June Quarter 1914
Hereford 6a 1194
Jones, Thomas B
Williams, Clara
or is the no 6a 1194 the page No. It looks right because he had a dental practice in Glouces.
Can you use your web site to search.
Thanks for your effort.
Joy
Sunny Oregon
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Hi Joy,
Unfortunately, the only way to get more information is to order a copy of the certificate which costs 7 Pounds (about $13). You can do this online at:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/index.asp#0
The reference I gave you should be enough to get the right certificate 6a is the volume number and 1194 is the page number. If you do decide to order on line, be careful not to select "Priority Service" as this is much more expensive. You should get a certificate by mail to the US within about 2 weeks of ordering on line.
The marriage certificate will have the addresses at which Thomas and Clara were living at the time of their marriage, their occupations and the names of their fathers. With this information it should be relatively easily to trace the family back through the census records.
Regards,
Allan
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Alan,
thanks for the info. I cannot order online because GRO will not accept US credit cards. The last time I ordered from the GRO it too two-three months,three letters, emails and then they sent the wrong one. Could I not get it from the REG district in Herefordshire?
Not sure how this is done but it has got to be better than the GRO.
Again thanks for your help.
This is wonderful news
Joy
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Hi Joy!
The GRO accepts Visa - Mastercard and a few others!!
It's a bit of a pain - using credit cards and debit cards - because of all the information they ask for - but they will take them :D
However if you don't mind the wait - you could write to Herefordshire and go from there!
Good Luck!!
Annie
Herefordshire
Herefordshire Record Office, Old Barracks, Harold St., Hereford, Herefordshire, HR1 2QX, has GRO index from 1837 to 1970. Open M 9:45am-4:45pm. T-F 9:15am-4:45pm. Phone to book appropriate reader 01432 260750. Fiche and film readers have to be booked a couple of days in advance. Which type of reader depends on the date of the indexes you wish to view as earlier ones are on film and later ones on fiche. They do allow you to book both for the same session.
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Thank you Anne, re info for the debit cards. This is not a problem. I have been told that the GRO will not accept overseas credit cards.
As far as booking for Herefordshire. I am in Oregon USA so not possible,
I will do it the hard way by snail mail
Joy
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Joy!
I'm in America too - so I know what you mean!! but GRO will take credit cards - I know I've done it many times (unfortunately..:P )
I didn't mean for you to book for Hereford - I was just giving you their information!!
Annie
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No problem. Can you tell me if the cost is the same for online? I can have my sister do this from England if it is cheaper.
Joy
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Alan
I wanted you to know that you received the marriage certs back today for Clare Williams and TB Jones and they are indeed my grandparents. Now I have the name of both their parents I can look for them in Wales.
You saved me so much time and headaches
Thanks
Joy
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Glad to have been of help Joy. I'm so pleased that the certificate you received turned out to be the right one. Let me know if I can be of any further help in tracing your family back, I have access to some of the 19th century censues for England & Wales which could be useful.
Regards,
Allan
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Alan,
Now I know the names of the parents from the bC I am looking for them
Can someone find Robert Williams born abt 1864 Wales
Occupation Engineer.
He had 5 children
Clare 1893
Olive
Aubrey earliest
Roselyn
I am not sure where to find him and pretty much a needle in a haystack
Thanks
I am also looking for Thomas Jones abt 1864
Occuaption Manager Tin Mine
Son Thomas Benjamin 1888 (dentist)
all born in Wales.
Not sure where else to look, but without one birth cert I can never find the family.
Joy
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Joy,
I've found a very likely looking family in the 1901 & 1891 censuses for Wales:
1901 Census, Glamorgan, Wales
Ref: RG13/5045 Folio 33 Pages 57 & 58
Address: 7 Chappel Lee?, Llandyfodwg, Nantymoel?, Glamorgan
Robert WILLIAMS, Head, 37, Colliery Engine Driver, b. Glam. Merthyr
Alice WILLIAMS, Wife, 37, b. Glam. Cardiff
Wm. J WILLIAMS, Son, 12, b. Glam. Nantymoel?
Rosalind A WILLIAMS, Dau, 10, b. ditto diito
Clara WILLIAMS, Dau, 8, b. ditto ditto
Elsie S WILLIAMS, Dau, 5, b. Glam. Nanty Moel?
Note that Clare is Clara again - there are no Clare Williams in the 1901 census so it looks as though the name Clare was not common until some years later. I think this indicates that your ancestor's name was probably Clara even if she was known as Clare in the family. Also Roselyn is recorded as Rosalind.
I haven't tried to find Nantymoel or Nanty Moel on the map yet but it appears to be written as one word on page 53 where most of the family is listed and as two words on page 54 as the birthplace of Elsie. It might be worth trying to find the place at www.multimap.com .
This looks like the same family in the 1891 census - before Clare/Clara was born (Living at the same address!):
1891 Cenus, Glamorgan
Ref: RG12/4451 Folio 104 Page 62
Address: 7 Chappel Lee, Llandyfodwg
Robert WILLIAMS, Head, 27, Colliery Engine Driver, b. Glam. Nantymoel
Alice WILLIAMS, Wife, 27, b. ditto ditto
Olive WILLIAMS, Dau, 8, b. ditto ditto
Blodwen WILLIAMS, Dau, 5, b. ditto ditto
W J WILLIAMS, Son, 2, b. ditto ditto
R A WILLIAMS, Dau, 6, , b. ditto ditto
What do you think?
Regards,
Allan
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Thanks so much
what a wonder you are.
Looks like the family.
Again, I appreciate your effort
There are several chn missing in this. Aubrey and Olive
but it is possible they were jut not included in the census.
In the wedding cert for Clara it is spelled Clare, but as you said Clara is more commong and there are almost no Clares in the Census.
Joy
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Alan,
I wanted to thank you for looking up Clare Williams and Thomas Benjamin Jones. They were indeed my family, and I have managed to connect the history. I still cannot find their family after their marriage but possibly there are no records.
Again thanks, you made life so much easier for me.
Joy
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Alan,
these were my williams family. Robert the Engineer. As you said Clare would have been written Clara so this part of the puzzle solved.
Again thanks for your effort
Joy