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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: TAMOWEN4 on Monday 13 January 25 07:45 GMT (UK)
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Hi, my grandfather Samuel Owen, born 1885 Renton Dunbartonshire, was a pre 1st WW regular in the 2nd Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers 6999 later 60100. With the help of this site and my own research I have built up a good record of his service.
He entered service in France 6th October 1914.
I know he was captured and spent many years in German POW Camps being repatriated a number of months after the end of the War.
Doing some further research on other Owen family, I found further info on Samuel on the 1921 Census for England, here Samuel is noted on that census as being with the 1st Battalion RSF at Headquarters Tullamore Kings Co Ireland.
I know my grandfather spent time in Erskine Hospital for wounded servicemen and died in the Red Cross Hospital Paisley in 1935. Noted on death certificate as an Army Pensioner. Would he have been moved to another battalion after the War? I believe he was discharged 1922?
regards
Tommy Owen
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looks like he was over in Ireland with 1RSF
THE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS
– Regimental Events
In 1919 the Prince of Wales was appointed Colonel in Chief of the Royal Scots Fusiliers – the Regiment’s first. In 1923 the rank of Fusilier was authorised in Army Order 222 of that year : previously the official title had been Private.
1RSF – Home Service 1919-32
The 1st Battalion, reduced to a cadre, left Germany in May 1919. After a brief stay in Ayr the cadre moved to Fort Matilda, Greenock and absorbed 3 RSF to form a full strength 1st Battalion. 1 RSF moved to Bordon later in the same year.
Ireland 1921-22
The Battalion was sent to Ireland in January 1921 for operations in aid of the Civil Power during the Troubles. Following the settlement with the Irish leaders 1 RSF left Ireland in 1922. Entraining at the Curragh to move to Dublin for embarkation, it was the last British unit to leave that once-famous camp.
In the UK
The Battalion served at Edinburgh, Portsmouth and Bordon.
1RSF – Overseas Service 1932-39
1 RSF’s overseas tour began in Palestine in 1932. Later that year it was transferred to Egypt where it served for 4 years. 1936 saw a sudden return to Palestine when trouble between Jews and Arabs escalated into the ‘Arab Revolt’. The Battalion was deployed in support of the Civil Power and fought several small actions until the Revolt ended in October 1936. At the end of that year the Battalion was moved to India. It was still there when the Second World War broke out in September 1939.
2RSF – Overseas Service 1919-32
2 RSF left Germany in April 1919 and was briefly at Aldershot before moving to Constantinople to join the British Army of the Black Sea.
In March 1920 it was sent to the port of Novorossiysk in South Russia. Its duties were to help keep peace in the town and to assist in the evacuation of White Russian soldiers and civilians. By the end of March it was back in Constantinople, its duty done.
At the end of 1920 the Battalion moved to India serving in Barrackpore, Sialkot, Landi Kotal and Ferozepore.
Ady
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Thank you Ady.
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Just in case you don´t have this
Its from the Inernational red cross archive
Archives 1914-1918: during the First World War, 10 million people, servicemen or civilians, were captured and sent to detention camps.
The belligerent countries involved provided lists of prisoners to the ICRC, which created an index card for each prisoner and detainee. Now, you can search through all 5 million of them
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This is the page linked to the index card
https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/2491953/698/21521/
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Thank you Davecapps much appreciated
Tommy
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Hi, my grandfather Samuel Owen, born 1885 Renton Dunbartonshire, was a pre 1st WW regular in the 2nd Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers 6999 later 60100. With the help of this site and my own research I have built up a good record of his service.
He entered service in France 6th October 1914.
I know he was captured and spent many years in German POW Camps being repatriated a number of months after the end of the War.
Doing some further research on other Owen family, I found further info on Samuel on the 1921 Census for England, here Samuel is noted on that census as being with the 1st Battalion RSF at Headquarters Tullamore Kings Co Ireland.
I know my grandfather spent time in Erskine Hospital for wounded servicemen and died in the Red Cross Hospital Paisley in 1935. Noted on death certificate as an Army Pensioner. Would he have been moved to another battalion after the War? I believe he was discharged 1922?
regards
Tommy Owen
Incorrect Number Quoted at Enlistment
It was 9666 per his 1914 Mons Star
As he appears to have been Discharged after 1920, per your Research- then his Army Records still Exist with the MOD for you to apply for to get the answer you want.
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..then his Army Records still Exist with the MOD for you to apply for to get the answer you want.
https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-records-of-service/apply-for-the-records-of-a-deceased-serviceperson
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Thank you all, this is very interesting. I will apply for his service records.
I'm not sure if I have mentioned this before, however, he wrote a small booklet on his experiences in various Pow Camps. This is held in the Mclean Museum in Greenock.
Tommy
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..he wrote a small booklet on his experiences in various Pow Camps. This is held in the Mclean Museum in Greenock.
https://www.inverclyde.gov.uk/community-life-and-leisure/heritage-services/collections/museum-collections
Sam was a POW for four years and stayed initially at one of the worst camps – Gastrow. He wrote his experiences down in a pamphlet “Four years in Germany as a Prisoner of War”.
https://www.inverclydeww1.org/topics/prisoners-of-war
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Kiltaglassan thanks