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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: tedted22 on Sunday 19 January 25 16:13 GMT (UK)
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During researching our family history I've found a record for a close relative on Ancestry/Fold3 for the WWI Western Front Association - Pension Ledger Index Card. Details below.
Full Name: Moss, Albert
Service Number: 45319, 68873
Address-Add: Oldham
Regiment: Lc, L''pool Rgt
Relative 1: Doris Hannah
Relative 1 Relation To Head: Widow
Reference Number
161/0605/MOR-MOS
How do I find out more? What exactly is this card? It also states (in red ink, must have been added after) that his widow is Doris Hannah with a date of 12/5/65 but I can't figure what this relates to. Doris Hannah passed in 1990 and Albert himself in 1956.
Thank you!
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He was discharged on the 20/2/1919 under King's Regulation 392xvi (No longer physically fit for war service and issued with a Silver War Badge (number B215560). His entry in the SWB register shows that he enlisted on the 11/12/1915 (King's Liverpool Regiment, service number 68873). His pension card shows that he was also in the Labour Corps (service number 45319) -- this number was in a block (394500 to around 484900) that were issued between October 1917 and January 1918.
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He has a couple of other pension records -- his Pension Ledger Page (Form SB36) shows that he was discharged on the 20/2/1919 due to a Fractured Ulna and Radius attributable to war service. He was assessed as having a 40% disability. The card that you have seen shows that he was awarded a weekly pension of 11 shillings payable from 21/2/1919.
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Thank you so much for this, we had little clue as to his involvement or discharge details.
We were told by a close relative that he was blind though this likely happened after discharge if there is nothing to suggest otherwise.
Do we know if the pensions were claimed? How would we find that out?
When were these records input to the archive in order for then to be served like I did?
Thank you
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I have also found a record for his brother, Edward Moss and it looks like he passed in the war. I heard something about India? As attached.
Thank you
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I have also found a record for his brother, Edward Moss and it looks like he passed in the war. I heard something about India?
Edward died on the 25/5/1918 and was buried the next day in the Fyzabad Cantonment Cemetery, India.
(Image from Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948 courtesy of Find My Past)
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Do we know if the pensions were claimed? How would we find that out?
Pension Ledger Page (Form SB36) shows that the pension was paid from the 21/2/1919 and in the 'other action' column on the page is a series of initials and dates -- these indicate that some form of action / communication / possibly change in payment was carried out by an Army clerk -- the last entry was in 1926.
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When were these records input to the archive in order for then to be served like I did?
Sorry, what do you mean?
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Edward Moss served in the 1st Garrison Battalion, Manchester Regiment ---
1st Garrison Battalion The Manchester Regiment
Formed at Knowsley Park, Liverpool in September 1915 and commanded by Lieutenant Colonel H W K Bretherton, a retired Territorial Force officer. Composed of officers and men permanently unfit for active service but considered fit for garrison duty overseas. They left Prescot at 9.15pm on 24 February 1916, arriving Devonport at 10 am the following day. Sailed at 4.30pm on board Kinfauns with an escort of two destroyers. On 5 March they passed Alexandria and then on into the Suez Canal. Arrived Bombay, India on 14 March 1916. Moved to Fyzabad where they stayed until end July 1918.
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His pension card shows that he was also in the Labour Corps (service number 45319) -- this number was in a block (394500 to around 484900) that were issued between October 1917 and January 1918.
Allan. I'm afraid that you may have possibly misread his LC number. It is a 5 digit one and not a 6 digit one.
I now don't have access to a copy of No Labour, No Battle to look up the 5 digit number but it's likely he was a KLR labour battalion man who went with the rest of that battalion to form an unit in the newly formed Labour Corps. I stress that I don't know for sure only that the number is low enough to fit that scenario.
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45319 was in a batch allocated to the 11th. Labour Coy. KLR.
They became the 76th. Lab. Coy. Labour Corps.
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Today, Gwil said Allan. I'm afraid that you may have possibly misread his LC number. It is a 5 digit one and not a 6 digit one.
Correct -- should have put my specs on ::)
Today, Jim1 said 45319 was in a batch allocated to the 11th. Labour Coy. KLR.
They became the 76th. Lab. Coy. Labour Corps.
Just had a better search, yes, 45319 was in a batch (45001 to 45600) allocated to 11th Infantry Labour Company KLR
Apologies all round for any confusion.
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Thank you, very kind of you to pull this information out for me. Did they keep records about family or in particular siblings that were also called up or do we have to search manually by names to find each entry?
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Thank you, very kind of you to pull this information out for me. Did they keep records about family or in particular siblings that were also called up or do we have to search manually by names to find each entry?
If (and it's a big IF) a soldier's service record survived the bombing of London in WW2 and IF the soldier listed names of next of kin and siblings then you would have to search on the names that he gave. Likewise, if no service record, and you know the names of the soldier's siblings, then you would need to search each one individually.