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Commonwealth War Graves Commission are appealing for blood relatives of Rifleman Robert Black - Service No 10441 - Royal Irish Rifles - died 28/12/1916 - buried Shankill Cemetery. Lurgan.
The Commission are in the process of producing a headstone to mark the grave of Rifleman Robert Black.
Son of Robert and Ellen Black, of Old Portadown Road, Lurgan, Co. Armagh.
Lurgan Mail: 6th January 1917:
If you are related ed or know of someone who is, CWGC would like to hear from you.
https://www.lurganancestry.com/ww1/blackr.htm
Sandra
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UK, World War I Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923
Robert Black - Rank Private
Record Type Death
Military Service Region Northern Ireland, Northern Ireland
Death Date 28 Dec 1916
Service Number 10441
Corps, Regiment or Unit R. Ir. Rifs
Robert Black
Ellen Black Mother.
UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929
Robert Black - Death Date 27 Dec 1916
Discharge Date 20 Feb 1916
Rank Rifleman - Regiment Royal Irish Rifles
Regimental Number 10441
Sandra
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1901 census Hill, Lurgan Urban, Armagh, Ireland.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Lurgan_Urban/Hill/1025582/
Robert Black 57
Head of Family (Head)
Ellen Black 43 Wife
Margret Black17Daughter
Samuel Black 15 Son
Joseph Black 14 Son
Robert Black 10 Son
Elizabeth Black 8 Daughter
Mary Black 7 Daughter
Ellen Black 5 Daughter
Edith Black 4 Daughter
Mary Anne Black 65 Aunt
Sandra
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1911 census Hill Street (part of) - District Lurgan Urban.
Robert Black 60 Head
Ellen Black 53 Wife
Samuel Black 26 Son
Lillie Black 20 Daughter
Minnie Black 18 Daughter
Ellen Black 15 Daughter
Edith Black 14 Daughter
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Lurgan_Urban/Hill_Street__part_of_/295864/
Sandra
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UK, British Army World War I Pension Records 1914-1920
Roberth Black - Document Year 1914
Residence Place Belfast
Relationship to Soldier Father.
Robert Black -
Robert Black Father
Ellen Black Mother
Samuel Black Brother
Magaret Sister
Sandra
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Elder sister Margaret (Maggie) married 21 July 1903 to Robert George Bell.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10244/5728215.pdf
1911 census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Lurgan_Urban/Hill_Street__part_of_/295917/
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This might be Ellen Black marrying - 23 June 1916 - to Benjamin Wright. No father given for Ellen but she's living at Old Portadown Road, Lurgan and one of the witnesses could be her sister Lillie (Elizabeth) Black.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09777/5548913.pdf
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This might be Ellen Black marrying - 23 June 1916 - to Benjamin Wright. No father given for Ellen but she's living at Old Portadown Road, Lurgan and one of the witnesses could be her sister Lillie (Elizabeth) Black.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09777/5548913.pdf
One child found of this marriage-
Vera Lily Wright born 19 March 1917.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1917/01315/1543653.pdf
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Samuel Black (of 20 Hill Street, Lurgan) married Annie Jones on 4 December 1912 at Lurgan Parish Church. His father Robert Black, a car owner.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09928/5609446.pdf
Ellen Black born 30 November 1913.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1913/01434/1588096.pdf
Doris Black born 2 November 1918.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1918/01267/1525679.pdf
U/1922/172/1021/53/121 Robert Black 22nd August 1922 Male Jones Lurgan
(GRONI)
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Joseph Black (of 1 Old Portadown Road, Lurgan) married Susan Kerr on 21 June 1916 - Lurgan Parish Church. Again, father Robert a car owner.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09777/5548902.pdf
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Joseph Black (of 1 Old Portadown Road, Lurgan) married Susan Kerr on 21 June 1916 - Lurgan Parish Church. Again, father Robert a car owner.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09777/5548902.pdf
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Many thanks for all your help, much appreciated.
Sandra
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Joseph Black (of 1 Old Portadown Road, Lurgan) married Susan Kerr on 21 June 1916 - Lurgan Parish Church. Again, father Robert a car owner.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09777/5548902.pdf
UK, World War I Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923
Pvt Joseph Black - Record Type Death
Military Service Region Northern Ireland, Northern Ireland
Military Country Ireland
Death Date 14 Feb 1922 - Service Number 336454
Corps, Regiment or Unit Royal Army Service Corps.
Joseph Black
Susan Black - Widow.
Sandra
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Samuel Black 1885–1929
Birth 21 May 1885 - Union Street, Lurgan, County Armagh, Ireland.
Death 20 June 1929 - Lurgan, County Armagh, Northern Ireland.
Sandra
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message sent to anc member
Sandra
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Sandra
Relation Adele is aware on https://www.facebook.com/groups/lurganancestry/posts/1587018958665309/ she messaged me to thank, but thanks are really due to you as saw here first. The grave is presently unmarked as the small headstone was badly vandalised.
Isobel on Friends of Shankill Graveyard (Lurgan) has since re-posted her Facebook group re.Robert Black.
Details from Shankill Register:
Robert Black, a 28 year old bachelor, of Portadown Road, Lurgan, Carter, died 28th December 1916 of “wounds in battle,” buried 30th December.
https://www.lurganancestry.com/ww1/blackr.htm
Also posted about Thomas Cummings interred in Lurgan Newline and Richard Currie of Drumcree.
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That's great. Nice to see these men are not forgotten and especially good if a relative is present at a dedication service of a headstone or special plaque. :)
Thank You
Sandra
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Robert Black, a 28 year old bachelor, of Portadown Road, Lurgan, Carter, died 28th December 1916 of “wounds in battle,” buried 30th December.
His death record differs slightly.
He was 27 yrs, a car driver and his cause of death was heart disease and anasarca. His mother Ellen was the informant. Registered 17 January 1917.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05226/4446685.pdf
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Thank you Kiltaglassan.
To avoid further confusion this is the Robert Black who died 28 December 1916
Rifleman Black, Robert
3/10441
Royal Irish Rifles
who died on Thursday, 28th December 1916
Son of Robert and Ellen Black, of Old Portadown Road, Lurgan, Co. Armagh.
Lurgan Mail: 6th January 1917 -
Military Funeral in Lurgan
After a long and painful illness, due to gas poisoning at the front, the death took place on Thursday last of ex-Rifleman Robert Black, R.I.R., a son of Mr Robert Black, Old Portadown Road. Deceased who volunteered at the outbreak of war, was first wounded at Hooge, and was subsequently a victim of gas poisoning, afterwards being discharged as unfit. The obsequies, thanks to representations made by Mr David Pedlow, were accorded military honours, a firing party of R.I.F., in charge of Sergeant Quinn, travelling especially from Armagh for the purpose. At the conclusion of the burial service, which was read by the Dean of Dromore, three volleys were fired over the grave, and the ceremony ended with the sounding of the “Last Post.”
Cemetery:
LURGAN (SHANKILL) GRAVEYARD
Grave or Reference Panel Number:
247
Sandra
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His death record differs slightly.
Yes it does, I noted that when I posted on Lurgan Ancestry Facebook to alert the local inhabitants, but appreciate only members can access that. Sandra has transcribed the details from the Lurgan Ancestry link or the same paper Lurgan Mail 6th January 1917. Isobel who holds the cemetery burial register suggests that says "wounds in battle".
They also differ for Thomas Cummins GRO / newspaper T.B vs Gas I think.
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There are a couple of entries of the Lurgan Mail 6 January 1917 on British Newspaper Archives for those with an interest.
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1917-01-01/1917-01-07?basicsearch=robert%20black&somesearch=robert%20black&retrievecountrycounts=false
Sandra
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