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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Stanwix England on Tuesday 01 April 25 17:38 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone,
I’m looking at a Frederick Hibbard, born approx 1870. (see below for note on marriage age)
Name issue
I have a marriage record for him, 28 September 1890, in Sheffield, where he married an Anne Elizabeth Garfitt.
I’m trying to work out his fathers name. Is it Charles Cooper Hibbard, or Corker or something else?
I can’t find a record for a Charles Cooper, or Corker Hibbard which doesn’t help.
Secondly, I believe that the age at marriage on this record is incorrect. Every other record I have for Frederick has him being born about 1870, including subsequent census records including 1939. Which makes me wonder if the father’s middle name is an error too.
Here are the details for the subsequent records I have for Frederick.
1891 Census - Age 20 (1870 birth date)
Sub registration district North Sheffield
ED, Institution or Vessel 29
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 3821
Folio 18
1901 Census - Age 30 (1870 birth date)
Sub-registration district Ecclesall Bierlow
ED, institution, or vessel 49
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 4354
Folio 141
Page number 40
Household schedule number 25
1911 Census - Age 40
Country England
Street Address 380 Sharrow Vale Rd
Marital Status Married
Occupation Eldur & Gilder
Registration District Number 509
Sub-registration district Ecclesall South
ED, institution, or vessel 12
Piece 27790
1921 Census - Age 51
Enumeration District Name Sheffield Cb
Enumeration District 5
Schedule 14
Schedule Type Code E
1939 - Birthdate of June 1870
Enumeration District Ncco
Borough Blackpool
Registration District 477-1.
Inferred Spouse Ann E Hibbard
Here are the census records that I believe date from before his marriage and show him with his family
On both of these, his ‘father’ is just Charles Hibbard, no mention of another name. But the professions line up.
1871 - Age nine months
Sub-registration district South Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel 16
Household schedule number 110
Piece 4686
Folio 86
Page number 18
1881 - Age 10
Registration District Ecclesall Bierlow
ED, institution, or vessel 40
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 4636
Folio 134
Page number 24
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Well it looks like 'Cooper' - but both Charles's baptism and HIS marriage (parish register) - are on line and Charles has no middle name on either - so I can't understand why this has suddenly appeared on Frederick's marriage.
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Charles Hibbard married Sarah Antcliffe in 1866
Frederick Hibbert b 1870 - mmn Antclffe
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I can’t see a Sheffield birth for Charles Hibbard but there is a Charles Cooper birth in 1838 with mother, Dyson.
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Heywood - the baptism I found for a Charles Hibbard gives him a birth date of 18th May 1837 - so before Civil Registration.
Baptism was in August, Sheffield Cathedral (if it's the right person). Father was John, mother Sarah.
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Death of Sarah, widow of the late Charles Cooper Hibbard, etcher.
29 April 1919: Sheffield Daily Telegraph
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If the 1871 census I am looking at is the right one then in 1861 Charles Hibbard is married to an Elizabeth Fearn. 2 children born who appear in 1871
HIBBERD, JOHN WILLIAM FEARN
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 311
HIBBERT, SARAH JANE FEARN
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 291
By 1871 Charles is with a Sarah.
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added
HIBBERT, FREDERICK mmn ANTCLIFFE
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 368
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Heywood - the baptism I found for a Charles Hibbard gives him a birth date of 18th May 1837 - so before Civil Registration.
Baptism was in August, Sheffield Cathedral (if it's the right person). Father was John, mother Sarah.
Sorry - misread the post
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Marriages Sep 1866
ANTCLIFF Sarah Sheffield 9c 529
BARLOW Joseph A Sheffield 9c 529
HIBBARD Charles Sheffield 9c 529
ROSS Margaret Sheffield 9c 529
SS
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Yes - the parish register of his marriage is on Ancestry - just gives his name as Charles Hibbard.
Heywood - I hadn't actually mentioned the birth date on my previous message - so you didn't mis-read it. Don't worry.
Just wondering if his father John, died and his mother re-married someone called Cooper!! (That just came into my head as I was writing this - so I haven't checked - just being fanciful!)
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In the 1861 census Charles and Elizabeth Hibbard have lodgers John and Sara Hibbard, John is also an etcher and gilder
In the 1857 marriage record of Charles Hibbard and Elizabeth Fearn his father is John Hibbard etcher.
Thus I believe that the lodgers are the parents of Charles Hibbard.
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Sheffield Daily Telegraph, 17 Jul 1869
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Thank you for your help everyone, this is really clearing things up.
I always seem to get the one family member with a discrepancy when I am doing my tree!
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Stanwix - it would be boring if it went smoothly!!
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Having explored this all further, thanks to your help, I found that Charles had a younger brother called Samuel born 1841.
He married and then named a son, Samuel Cooper Hibbard, in 1868.
He also has the habit of randomly using middle names and then not. On different census records, one or two of his kids get middle names, and then not on others, seemingly at random.
So clearly Cooper meant something to the family. I may never know.