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Looking for any information about the name,especially Richard and Hannah & their family Ann,Anne,Harriet,William & Charlotte in the late 18th,early 19c They lived around the Brick Lane/Church Street area.Were they Huguenots ?
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Richard Fleuriet chr. 18.12.1763 St. Matthew, Bethnal Green, London. Richard married Hannah Havel 27.1.1782 Spitalfields Christ Church, Stepney, London.
David Fleuriet was chr.20.2.1704 St. Jean French Huguenot, Spitalfields, London (parents Pierre Fleuriet and Rachel Leheupt).
These are just some of the Fleuriets you will find on http://www.familysearch.org The last one probably confirms your sugggestion that the family were Huguenots.
Diana
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Thanks for that.I should have said any info except what's available on the IGI.Sorry for not being specific enough.
So really,it's anything other than that and anyone with any Fleurriet connections in that area.
Thanks,Steve
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maybe unconnected but seems an unusual name. I have a pocket watch hallmarked 1807 and the watch movement is signed INo.(Inigo?) Fleurriet London
As Ancestry.co has so few Fleurriets its possibly connected. A lot of watchmaking seemed to be centred around Eastcheap/Leadenhall Street, not far from Spitalfields
I recall seeing the name in a book of watchmaking but can't now find a reference to it on the internet.
best wishes.
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Hi threesheds
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
According to his profile, Jumperman hasn't been online here at Rootschat for over a year. Hopefully though, he will receive email notifications that we have posted and come back soon.
Dawn
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maybe unconnected but seems an unusual name. I have a pocket watch hallmarked 1807 and the watch movement is signed INo.(Inigo?) Fleurriet London
As Ancestry.co has so few Fleurriets its possibly connected. A lot of watchmaking seemed to be centred around Eastcheap/Leadenhall Street, not far from Spitalfields
I recall seeing the name in a book of watchmaking but can't now find a reference to it on the internet.
best wishes.
Hi, I'm still here, just not been able to devote any time to the site for a while.
I'll have to have a delve and see what I can find, but I'm not aware without investigating, of any watchmakers in my line.
As far as I remember, they are all Silk Weavers and that type of employment.
How very interesting though, I will get on the trail and see what I can find.
Regards
Steve
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Welcome back ;D
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I checked both volumes of Watchmakers and Clockmakers of the World without success
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I checked both volumes of Watchmakers and Clockmakers of the World without success
Bit of a mystery then !
Thanks for looking :)
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You are welcome. Those books aren't exhaustive though. There are clock/watchmakers forums online which you could consult. Also the Clockmakers' Company based at the Guildhall in London may have a record of him. Worth a try.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovet_Fleurier
There appears to be a place in Switzerland called Fleruier, associated with watchmaking and googling, many seem to bare the name Fleurier, the company "Bovet" were chartered in London in 1822 and produced very high end timepieces, but the place produced watches prior to that.
So 1807 and Fleurriet London ............... :P
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Hello Jumperman
Have Fleuriot on my tree - father and son - both Peter (Pierre). Most definitely Huguenot and living in the Spitalfield area.
Peter Snr married Rebecca Hill in 1707 and Peter Jnr was born in 1712. I have a Will for Peter Senior - he died in 1713.
Have not come across any other connections to them so have made a note of your names.
Rebecca's extended family were mostly Weavers.
Good luck with your research :)
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Hi Emmeline,
I've seen numerous spellings, so possibly related.
This line has always been very interesting, but also very frustrating.
Good luck too !
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Hello again Jumperman
Always on the look-out for my Fleuriots - whichever way it is spelt ::) If I ever come across anything of interest I will let you know.
I am always looking at Wills held at the National Archives as if one is lucky enough to find one which belongs they are usually a wonderful source of information.
See you around the boards....... :)
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Hello Steve and Emmeline
I did some reasearch a little while ago into the Fleurets/Fleuriet/Fleuriots etc when I was researching the Alleaume family of Dieppe.
A Suzanne Fleuriet of Dieppe, daughter of Pierre Fleuriet and Marthe le Grand married a Salomon Aleaume son of Jacques Aleaume of Yenestenville, Normandy, and Madeleine le Yasseur in the French Church London on 10 October 1688.
She had joined the church a year earlier by 'reconnaissance' with two others:
"1 June 1687 Pierre Fleurier, of Dieppe, Suzanne Fleurier, spinster Jean Fleurier, young man."
A Pierre Fleuriet, also of Dieppe, maried Rachel Le Heupe 20 Aug 1699 at St Dunstan's Stepney. He was a silk weaver living in Pelham Street, Spitalfields, and was the grandfather of Tite/Titus Fleuriet, and great grandfather of Richard Fleuriet in Steve's original post.
Whether he was was Suzanne's brother and also then a child of Pierre Fleuriet and Marthe le Grand I do not know but it seems likely.
A Peter Fleuriot presented a petition for denisation in June 18 1701 with an Oliver Le Nouricier, , Jacob Hue and Michael Hue, stating that they were forced to quit their native country on account of their religion, and had given good testimony of their loyalty.
In 1705 a Peter Fleuriot, presumably the above man was naturalised. His papers describe him as a son of Peter Fleuriot, by Susanna his wife, born at Bolbec in France.
This above man I think would not be Steve's ancestor the Pierre/Peter from Dieppe, but instead Emmeline's ancestor Pierre/Peter who married Rebecca Hill at 4 Jan 1707 St Mary Magdalen, Old Fish Street, and had two children baptised at The Artillery Church, Spitalfields, (where he was an elder from 1708-10 and secretary 1710-13). The will you mentioned from 1713 refers to his sister Judith Mondon nee Fleuriot, and a Judith Fleuriot was married to a Daniel Mondon 26 January 1667 at the Lintot Temple which served the Bolbec protestants in Normandy, which seems to confirm this.
I realise this is now a very old query, and you may already have all this information but I thought I would add it anyway just in case.
There was also two other separate families by the same name, the first a Mathurin Fleuret, a wool carder from Maixent who was the first by the name to come to England joining the Threadneedle Street Church in winter 1680. He seems to have been an older gentleman and left no descendant lines as far as I can see.
Then later a Jean Fleuret and his wife Marie, who were originally from Clerac in South west France, joined the church in 1702. They had fled first to Holland and had been settled in Rotterdam before coming to London. The spelling of their surname seems much more fluid then the two Norman branches, Floret/Florry/Flauret/Fleuret/Fleuriet/Flouret, but unhelpfully they were also settled in Spitalfields as silk weavers in Quaker Street, so picking them apart in later records from the Norman family is not always that easy!
The two Norman families seem to have stopped using the French churches by the 1750's, which was fairly standard, though Richard Fleuriet did enroll his daughter Anne into the Westminster French Protestant Charity School as late as the 1790's. Her record shows she was baptised 18 Feb 1789 at St Mary's, Reading, Berkshire.
Richard himself, as you probably already know Steve, of course also later used the French Protestant community charities when he was an inmate of 'La Providence' the French Hospital from February 6th, 1836 until his death January 29th 1842.
Incidently I cannot find any evidence either any of them were ever involved in watch making, though a refugee family by the surname were settled in Switzerland using the French reform church there. Maybe they were linked to one of the London family and watch makers?
Regards
Richard
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Just found this reference in the Canterbury Wills:
Peter Floureau
. . . Profession: Watch Maker ... Will Date: 1779-03-13 ...
. . . Year: 1780 ... Place: St Giles In The Fields
Could it be 'Floureau' on the watch, rather than 'Fleurriet'? He had died before 1807 but maybe sons followed him into the trade?
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Looking at the will the name is spelt Fleureau on the original document. No mention of any sons, but a similar surname does appear in the Huguenot Society proceedings:
"Isaye Fleureau a watchmaker from Orleans is recorded as marrying in London Marie Magdalen Thibou of Paris in 1694"
The same gentleman is listed in 'Old clocks & their makers':
Fleureau, Esaye. London. Wetherfield collection a long- case clock by him, dating from about 1710. It embodies a fine specimen of arabesque marquetry, which is continued on the moulding supporting the hood, over the base
There is an example of his work here:
http://www.nationaltrustcollections.org.uk/object/336892
So perhaps a family of clock makers?
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Hello Steve and Emmeline
I did some reasearch a little while ago into the Fleurets/Fleuriet/Fleuriots etc when I was researching the Alleaume family of Dieppe.
A Suzanne Fleuriet of Dieppe, daughter of Pierre Fleuriet and Marthe le Grand married a Salomon Aleaume son of Jacques Aleaume of Yenestenville, Normandy, and Madeleine le Yasseur in the French Church London on 10 October 1688.
She had joined the church a year earlier by 'reconnaissance' with two others:
"1 June 1687 Pierre Fleurier, of Dieppe, Suzanne Fleurier, spinster Jean Fleurier, young man."
A Pierre Fleuriet, also of Dieppe, maried Rachel Le Heupe 20 Aug 1699 at St Dunstan's Stepney. He was a silk weaver living in Pelham Street, Spitalfields, and was the grandfather of Tite/Titus Fleuriet, and great grandfather of Richard Fleuriet in Steve's original post.
Whether he was was Suzanne's brother and also then a child of Pierre Fleuriet and Marthe le Grand I do not know but it seems likely.
A Peter Fleuriot presented a petition for denisation in June 18 1701 with an Oliver Le Nouricier, , Jacob Hue and Michael Hue, stating that they were forced to quit their native country on account of their religion, and had given good testimony of their loyalty.
In 1705 a Peter Fleuriot, presumably the above man was naturalised. His papers describe him as a son of Peter Fleuriot, by Susanna his wife, born at Bolbec in France.
This above man I think would not be Steve's ancestor the Pierre/Peter from Dieppe, but instead Emmeline's ancestor Pierre/Peter who married Rebecca Hill at 4 Jan 1707 St Mary Magdalen, Old Fish Street, and had two children baptised at The Artillery Church, Spitalfields, (where he was an elder from 1708-10 and secretary 1710-13). The will you mentioned from 1713 refers to his sister Judith Mondon nee Fleuriot, and a Judith Fleuriot was married to a Daniel Mondon 26 January 1667 at the Lintot Temple which served the Bolbec protestants in Normandy, which seems to confirm this.
I realise this is now a very old query, and you may already have all this information but I thought I would add it anyway just in case.
There was also two other separate families by the same name, the first a Mathurin Fleuret, a wool carder from Maixent who was the first by the name to come to England joining the Threadneedle Street Church in winter 1680. He seems to have been an older gentleman and left no descendant lines as far as I can see.
Then later a Jean Fleuret and his wife Marie, who were originally from Clerac in South west France, joined the church in 1702. They had fled first to Holland and had been settled in Rotterdam before coming to London. The spelling of their surname seems much more fluid then the two Norman branches, Floret/Florry/Flauret/Fleuret/Fleuriet/Flouret, but unhelpfully they were also settled in Spitalfields as silk weavers in Quaker Street, so picking them apart in later records from the Norman family is not always that easy!
The two Norman families seem to have stopped using the French churches by the 1750's, which was fairly standard, though Richard Fleuriet did enroll his daughter Anne into the Westminster French Protestant Charity School as late as the 1790's. Her record shows she was baptised 18 Feb 1789 at St Mary's, Reading, Berkshire.
Richard himself, as you probably already know Steve, of course also later used the French Protestant community charities when he was an inmate of 'La Providence' the French Hospital from February 6th, 1836 until his death January 29th 1842.
Incidently I cannot find any evidence either any of them were ever involved in watch making, though a refugee family by the surname were settled in Switzerland using the French reform church there. Maybe they were linked to one of the London family and watch makers?
Regards
Richard
Richard,
This is gold dust :)
I hadn't been able to find the father of Titus Fleurriet, but to have the names of the grandparents gives me another start.
I have Fleurriet Wills and lots of extracts from the French hospital records and the Norman Society Annual Reports etc, but had never been able to link Titus with Pierre !
Thank you so much for this information.
Regards
Steve
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Hello Steve
I could not find a baptism for Titus either, but he is living in Pelham Street in the earliest tax records, which is where Pierre is in the early 1700's, and Richard Fleurriet's French Hospital record describes him as 'son of Titus Fleurriet, grand son of [blank] Fleurriet, whose father was a native of Dieppe in Normandy'. The will of Pierre Fleurriet from 1761 confirms Titus was a grandson of his, he leaves him a couple of bequests (Can send a copy of this if you don't have it?).
Unfortunately the will does not state which of his sons Pierre, David, or Jean was Titus's father, but possibly Pierre can be ruled out, as his will from the 1780's leaves everything to a single married daughter, which does not suggest sons. Personally I think Jean/John, is the most likely candidate, as two of his other children 'Philemon' and 'Jean Maximillian' had unusual names for the Huguenot community who tended to favour the old testament prophets or the more standard French saint names. Philemon/Maximillian/Titus all unusual and have obviously classical overtones.
Searching around on the internet throws up this for him a burglary at his home in Spitalfields. Not sure if you've seen it. Doesn't help much with his family details but interesting all the same!
http://www.londonlives.org/browse.jsp?id=t17920329-40-victim446&div=t17920329-40#highlight
Regards
Richard
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Hello Richard
Like Jumperman I am thrilled with the information you have given us re Fleurriet and Fleuriot
families. Gold dust indeed.
I was aware of Peter's naturalisation and a few other snippets - I had not been able to find much
about his sisters Judith Monden ( thank you for marriage details ) and Magdalen LeNeve so thanks again.
You have made one or two Rootchatters more than happy with what you have been able to tell
us. :) :)
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Hello Emmeline
No problem at all, glad the information is of interest.
Also found this yesterday, a reference to Pierre's sister Judith on a French website:
http://guy.jacobs.pagesperso-orange.fr/protestants/protestants.htm
"Daniel Maudion, hat maker, married to Judith Fleuriot, five children, two of which are absent, their son Jeremie, aged 10, dissapeared, and was recaptured having escaped his guard, to wit Monsieur de Grainville, who had been charged with his confinement."
That's my translation, though my French isn't perfect! Protestant children could be forcibly taken into the charge of the local authorities under the various laws passed by Louis XIV for Catholic education, so that may have been the case with Jeremie.
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Hello Steve
I could not find a baptism for Titus either, but he is living in Pelham Street in the earliest tax records, which is where Pierre is in the early 1700's, and Richard Fleurriet's French Hospital record describes him as 'son of Titus Fleurriet, grand son of [blank] Fleurriet, whose father was a native of Dieppe in Normandy'. The will of Pierre Fleurriet from 1761 confirms Titus was a grandson of his, he leaves him a couple of bequests (Can send a copy of this if you don't have it?).
Unfortunately the will does not state which of his sons Pierre, David, or Jean was Titus's father, but possibly Pierre can be ruled out, as his will from the 1780's leaves everything to a single married daughter, which does not suggest sons. Personally I think Jean/John, is the most likely candidate, as two of his other children 'Philemon' and 'Jean Maximillian' had unusual names for the Huguenot community who tended to favour the old testament prophets or the more standard French saint names. Philemon/Maximillian/Titus all unusual and have obviously classical overtones.
Searching around on the internet throws up this for him a burglary at his home in Spitalfields. Not sure if you've seen it. Doesn't help much with his family details but interesting all the same!
http://www.londonlives.org/browse.jsp?id=t17920329-40-victim446&div=t17920329-40#highlight
Regards
Richard
Thanks again Richard and for the link, which is new to me !
I had Titus in Spital Street (1773 tax records), which was the earliest I could find.
The hospital record was a little frustrating, having the father's first name missing, but all those little clues do point to Jean/John as you say.
Thanks so much
Steve
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Hello again Richard
Thank you for the French web-site and the futher interesting information on Judith Fleuriot/Monden and family.
Much appreciated - as is your translation. :)
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Looking for Fleureau in my book (Baillie, and Loomes) I do see an Esaye (or Isaac) Fleureau, London from Orleans, mar. 1694-1703 also Jacques his son b. 1703. Esaye also has a watch c. 1710 in the NY University collection and a longcase clock in the Wetherfield collection, sold in 1928. There is also a watch by Peter F., London 1776
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Hi Jumperman
I see you're still digging up Fleurriets!
We corresponded some years ago about the Barretts, Joseph Barrett married Harriet Fleurriet.
I read a great book about Spitalfields recently and it rekindled my interest.
Did you ever get any further info on that Barrett line?
I never managed to get back past Joseph's father Samuel, and don't even know where he came from or what happened to him. Joseph was apprenticed to a calico block print cutter in Mitcham (1802) so they may have been from Surrey rather than the East End.
Anyway, any info you have would be gratefully received.
Check out :
"Spitalfields Life: In the Midst of Life I Woke to Find Myself Living in an Old House Beside Brick Lane in the East End of London."
Really gives a feel for the place.
Cheers
Liam
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Hello Steve, Richard and Emmeline,
I realize this post is some years old now, are you all still researching the Fleurriets? I am also from the Pierre Fleurriet and Rachel Le Heupe family. Their son Pierre/Peter (Jean/John's brother) married Esther Atwell and they were my 6th great grandparents. In my tree, Pierre and Jean's other siblings are Marthe, David and Anne. It seems to me that if the first daughter was named Marthe, there's a great chance that Pierre Sr's mother was in fact Marthe le Grand. Has anyone found proof of this?
I'm also curious if anyone has done research on the Le Heupe family? I've found sources online that list the Fleurriet/Fleuriet/Fleuriot and Le Heupe surnames as Huguenots in Spitalfields. In Pierre's Will, there was listed an Edward Le Heupe; I wonder if this was Rachel's brother? I have also seen suggestions that a David Leheup was Rachel's father, which could make sense, being that Pierre and Rachel's first son was named David. But I haven't seen any solid evidence of this.
I'm eager to learn any info beyond what I have for Pierre and Rachel, so any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Best,
Courtney
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Hi Courtney
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
Some of the previous contributors to this topic are still active on here so should receive a notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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Hi Courtney,
I'm still here and will revisit the info I have. Tracing the Fleurriet's has been very interesting/frustrating over many years.
It's great to find another connected person :)
Steve
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Good evening, I too am fascinated by the Huguenot, Fleurriet connection.
My mother's grandpa told her when she was little that his family was 'French Huguenots who were weavers" - his ancestors were the Fleurriet family and the Barrett family - possibly another French family.
Any more information about Richard Fleurriet (my 7 times grandfather) and his predecessors would be gratefully received.
Alison