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Please could someone do me a look up in 1841 census of West Down for Hugh Manning b-1778?and wife Elizabeth (Betty)Manning b-1774 both born in West Down .Thanks .
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HO107/0204 Folio 10 Page 14
West Down Village
West Down
MANNIN Hugh 75 N (Not born in County) Ag Lab
MANNIN Elizabeth 65 Y (Yes born in County)
Cheers Kris :D
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Thanks Kris Thats great Hugh is dead by 1851 and had been looking for his birth in Devon now know he was not born there .Only just discovered these boards and everyones been a great help.Thanks again Karen
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You are welcome Karen. Glad to help....Kris :D
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Hi Welsh Lady.
I know it's a long time since you posted a request for information on Hugh and Betty Manning however I've only just found it. Hugh Manning was my great, great, great grandfather and I've carried out some research, I've even got a copy of his will. If you have some info on him or the family I would be grateful to hear.
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Hiya Dave
These Mannings are my sons ancestors my ex mother in laws
Gran was Fanny Manning direct line tracing back was to Hugh
Yes would love to swap info
Once you have posted three times on boards
I can pm you that is send a personal message
With my e mail and we can swap details
Havent done this line for a while will pull out
What I have
Great to have found a connection
Welsh lady
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Hi Welsh Lady
Thank you for your reply regarding the Manning's from West Down. I have visited the village on a number of occasions and have established a line to myself essentially from Hugh's father John, who was born there around 1755. I also have some less verified ancestors going well back in that area. During my investigations I have come across a Richard and Sarah Manning. Richard was born in West Down but in the 1891 census was living in Llanelli. Perhaps these are your ancestors. Anyway I am still new to this site so I presume that if I post a few more requests, we can contact and swap info.
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Hiya my ex mother in laws direct line that is verified is Hugh Manning then son John born 30th july 1797 westdown his son James born 1840 then his dau Fanny b1866 westdown.Fanny eloped to Swansea and married Thomas Henry Bull from Broadclyst devon .Their youngest dau Violet was my ma in laws mum.Fannys uncles had moved to Swansea to.There was a Ferry from Barnstaple to Swansea lots of people coming for work.Fanny and Thomas lived in Hackney London before coming back to Wales sadly they died when Violet was very young.She was fostered then in service.And the youngerboys went into barnado homes.Fanny and Thomas had 16 children but by 1911 only 7 were living.Yes post a few times and I can send you a pm with my email and we can swap more info then .Did you find Hughs baptism in West down as the 1841 census said he wasnt born in county guess that was an error
Thanks
Welsh lady
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Hi Welsh Lady
Fanny was my grandfather, Fred Manning's sister and in 1891 she was living in Dean Cottage, near Ilfracombe (I've actually visited the cottage) with James Manning (her father) together with her two daughters Rose and Polly and son Alfred?
Fred was to move to Barry in 1896 and later to Aberdare where he started a very successful transport business which was to remain in operation for nearly 100 years
Dave
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Thats great so a close connection to.Yes have Fanny in that census and all others
Do you have Hughs baptism?
Two more posts and I can pm you my e mail
Will tell Jenny my ex ma in law of connection shel be thrilled
Welsh lady
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Hi Welsh Lady
I gathered the information on Hugh from the Parish Records at Barnstable although I have not got his baptism records so it is possible that he was born elsewhere. However, I did establish that his parents John and Grace Manning were from Westdown.
The following is an extract from a short history I wrote on the Manning family. I hope it is of some use to you.
Hugh was born in 1774 and at the age of 21 he married Betty Menhinnett. The Menhinnett’s were another old West Down family of farmers who owned their own land and as such old Hugh must have done very well for himself. The parish records show that his profession was as a husbandman which means that he was a ‘tenant farmer’ who would have farmed the land but did not own it. This fact is borne out in Hugh’s Will (see page 42) where he bequeaths his house, pigsties, garden and all adjoining land to his daughter Ann but makes the point that the land was leased from Joseph Menhinnett, Yeoman of West Down who presumably was also his father in law.
John and Betty had at least five children. There was Mary born in 1795 and Elizabeth much later in 1819 and since I’ve found no further records of either it can be assumed that they died quite young. In fact in 1799 Hugh’s wife Betty gave birth to another girl who they also called Mary, she was baptised in the Village Church on the 12th October that year. It can therefore be assumed that the first Mary had died by that time. Infant mortality was quite common at that time.
Hugh died in 1849 at the age of 75 and he made provision in his will for Betty, his wife, to live out her days in the house that he had left to his daughter Ann. He also made provision for a sum of seven shillings a year be paid to his other children Mary, William and John out of the profits of the farm.
Elizabeth or Betty as she was known, lived to a ripe old age and at the age of 78 she was recorded as still living with her daughter Ann and her husband Richard Coles in West Down She was shown as being a pauper and widow of an agricultural worker. Ann it seems did well for herself by marrying Richard Coles who was also from old local farming stock.
It’s interesting to note that Hugh Manning was illiterate and signed his will by a mark in the shape of a cross whereas his daughter Mary had obviously had some schooling because she was able to sign her name.
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Hiya Dave great info thanks
Another message and I can pm you my e mail
Welsh lady
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Reaching out on behalf of a friend for whom I am doing research...
He is great, great, great, great grandson of Hugh MANNING, as follows: Hugh MANNING > John MANNING (b. circa 1797) > James MANNING (b. circa 1839, West Down) > Alfred MANNING (b. 1864, Ilfracombe) > Alfred Charles MANNING (b. 1891, Devonport) > Alfred Charles MANNING (b. 1921 Burghead, Moray, Scotland) > R. MANNING. (living Michigan, USA)
The first Alfred was a seaman who died relatively early. His widow, the former Sarah MARKWELL, married a 2nd time. The first Alfred Charles was a shipwright who worked in Scotland. He married Annie MAIN, in Burghead, Elgin/Moray. The following year Alfred Charles II was born. He became an automotive draftsman & eventually moved to the United States.
Would love to share & learn more.
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Only received first of 3 you mentioned. Here's more to go on...
An Alfred MANNING married a Sarah MARKWELL in July-September 1890 in Stoke Damerel, Devon, England. (FreeBMD)
The 1891 England Census includes 26-year-old “seaman R N” Alfred MANNING & his 24-year-old wife Sarah. (Ancestry.com)
An Alfred Charles MANNING was born July-September 1891 in Stoke Damerel, Devon, England (FreeBMD)
The 1901 England Census includes 33-year-old widow Sarah MANNING & 9-year-old son Alfred MANNING living together in Devonport, Devon. (Ancestry.com)
The 1911 England Census includes the Charles E. MILLETT household in Devonport, Devon includes wife Sarah and stepson, 20-year-old “boatbuilder” Alfred C. MANNING. (Ancestry.com)
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Twenty-year-old Alfred Charles MANNING (b. 1891, Devon) appeared in the 1911 Census as a "boat builder" working in a "shipyard" & living in Devonport.
A 27-year-old “shipwright” Alfred Charles MANNING married an Annie MAIN in Burghead on 21 December 1918. On the marriage certificate Alfred’s parents are listed as Alfred MANNING, seaman (deceased) & Sarah MARKWELL.
At the time of his marriage Alfred's residence was listed as Invergordon. (Scotland's People). According to the town website: "In the early 1900's Invergordon became an official naval base; the Firth was thought suitable because of the channel depth and frequently had visits from the Home Fleet. During the First World War (1914-1918) Invergordon was a full-scale base for the Royal Navy, providing fuel oil, water and dockyard repairs. The town's population mushroomed when 6,000 people came to work in the dockyards."
Alfred Charles & Annie's son Alfred Charles MANNING was born the 21 or 23 of March, 1921 in Burghead, Moray, Scotland. (Ancestry.com & Scotland’s People)
He died in the United States, where his children live today.
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Dear Dave,
Hugh was my Great-Great-Great-Great- Great-Grandfather, and I'm researching the family tree. I'd be extremely grateful if you could share any information with me!
Many thanks,
Shawn (son of David, s of Alfred; s of Aaron; s George, s of Henry, s of John, s of Hugh)