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made a mistake please ignore
Jane
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Hi Jane
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Hi Again
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Hi Bekah
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I thought i was being too cheeky with my request so i tried to delete it and couldnt. Sorry everyone.
I was just trying to locate any Chorleys born in Wiveliscombe. I believe they are all related i am just trying to work out how.
Jane
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Hi
Its okay, I had answered your request b4 you withdrew it, so I wiped the messages, okay?
Anne
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Hi
You weren't being cheeky, this is what Rootschat is all about, we all ask questions and we all try our best to answer. You should never feel bad about asking for help, this is what we are all here for. So next time don't worry about it, we don't bite! Honest (well I don't!)
Anne
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Hi Jane,
I read your message and I too am in a pickle trying to find Chorley's from Wiveliscombe. My William Collins who should have been Chorley came to Australia.
When I'm not sure of but it was about 1856. He landed in Geelong under the name of William Collins parents John Collins and Mary Venn. When I looked up the marriages of these two I found that John Collins Chorley married Mary Venn in Wiveliscombe. William only put a cross on his marriage certificate so I can only assume he couldn't read or write and therefore there was a mixup on the boat about his name. Do you know anything on a John Collins Chorley and Mary Venn?
I believe they had a son John who was born about the same time as William so he may have changed his name however everything is speculation because I'm not too sure on what happened.
Anyway when I saw your message I thought you may be able to help me as I am now at a dead end.
Lyn
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Hi Lyn
I can remember looking into this problem of yours before and unfortunately i couldn't find anything out. Sorry. I checked the parish records and nothing came to light there. Sorry I can't help you.
Good luck and Happy Christmas.
Jane
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Hi Lyn
I have just had another look at the parish records and the only children Icould find for John and Mary were Elizabeth baptised abt 26th Mar 1826 and John baptised on 18th July 1830 both in Wiveliscombe. John was under the name of Collins/chorley I could not find any mention of William.
It also looks like John senior had a sister called Ann baptised on 12 Dec 1790.
All the best
Jane
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Hi Jane
Thank you so much for getting back to me. I too had the information about John and Elizabeth and I wonder whether William was actually John because I haven't found a death for John yet but by Williams marriage and death certificates he would have been born about the same time as John. Boy how confusing our ancestors made some things. Do you have the 1881 Census by any chance to know if John was still in Wiveliscombe at that time or the 1851 census which should name the three children if William was his real name?
The only information I have for William is that he came to Aus about 1856/57 under the name of William Collins. He married Sarah James in Geelong in 1860 and he died in 1912 in Toorak Melbourne Vic. His marriage and death certificates name his parents as John Collins and Mary Venn. He says he was born in Wiveliscombe, and by his age, in 1831.
I would really appreciate if you can help me.
Once again from Australia Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Lyn
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Hi Lyn
Something interesting has turned up on the 1841 census. There is no sign of JOhn or Mary yet but their daughter is staying with a William and Jane Chorley. This could be her grandparents. On the birth entry for John it said his mothers name was Jane and she was a Spinster. So was William Johns father.
1841 Wivelsicombe
Jane Chorley b abt 1871 Wiveliscombe
William Chorley b abt 1786
Elizabeth Chorley b abt 1826
1851 Wiveliscombe
John Collins age 57 Labourer
Mary age 60 WI Nurse
Elizabeth age 21
John age 23.
Still not sure where Mary was born and no sign of William
If anything else turns up I will lwt you know
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Hi Jane and Lyn - I am also interested in Chorley family in Somerset - in Wellington, Taunton, Wiveliscombe and Chipstable areas - especially children of John Chorley: Eliza b/1852, Caroline b/1855, Thomas b/1862, Mary b/1863, John b/1865, Jane b/1872. Do you think there may be a connection to your Chorleys? Maddison.
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Hi Maddison
There could well be a link with your Chorley family and Mine. My Chorley's all came from the Wiveliscombe area and the Milverton areas of Somerset. I have done quite a lot of research around this family and believe that their is a link between most of the Chorley families in this area through either birth or marriage.
What you need to do is start going back through the census and find out if any of your chorley's come from Wiveliscome or milverton area and then we might be able to find that link. Some of the parish records for Somerset are on line which could help you when you get a little further back.
If you need any help please let me know. I do not have access to ancestry for the census but if you put a request on here I am sure someone will help you.
All the best
Jane
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Hi Jane, yes, it seems that most of the Chorleys in the Taunton/Wiveliscombe/Wellington areas are related - just have to find the connection. Thank you, I had the marriage of John Chorley b/1865 and Ann Elizabeth Dunn b/1864. Think John and his cousin may have been employed on the Railways.
My difficulty is in working out just who were their children so have made a request for census look-ups. John had a sister, Jane, b/1872 Upton, and three step-sisters:
Eliza b/1852, Chipstable
Caroline b/1855 Bampton - where there were a lot of Chorleys - probably cousins.
Mary, b/1863, Chipstable
and 1 stepbrother: Thomas, b/1862, Wellington.
So far haven't found marriages for any of these. Perhaps we can find a connection somewhere. Regards. Maddison.
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Hi, I don't know if anyone will read this because this thread in quite old.
I've just made a connection with someone who has figured out our joint relative to be a William Paramore Chorley, 1841. William Paramore was apparently born in Exton, Somerset. Willam Paramore's father however, Francis Chorley, 1803, may have been born in Wiveliscombe because his father, William Chorley, 1771 was born and married (Mary Widlake/Wedlake) in Wiveliscombe as had his father William Chorley, who married Joan in Wiveliscombe in 28/8/1770.
So if this is all correct then there are at least two William Chorleys and possibly a Francis Chorley from Wiveliscombe and a William Paramore Chorley (my great great granddad), along with brothers Robert and Francis, born in Exton.
If that is any help then please let me know. I would desperately like to find out more about the Chorleys from this area, since it seems this is were my line of Chorleys comes from.
Our Chorleys eventually move to south east london, however, ironically my Granddad joined the army and posted to the Somerset Light Infantry, back down in Taunton!
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HI Craig
I have just looked into your family tree and I think I may be getting a bit confused over who is the father of who. Please could you put me straight.
This is what I found in the parish records.
William Chorley married Joan Collard on 28/ 8/1770 in Wiveliscombe. This is in the parish records.
Possible children for them include:
??? Mary baptised 3/2/1771 (a little bit soon after marriage)
William baptised 23 May 1771
Ann 9 Feb 1772
JOan 26 Dec 1772 ? buried 20 Jan 1773
Thomas 16 Oct 1774
Peggy 19 April 1778
?????Willliam 27 June 1779
? Mum Joan was buried 22 July 1781 (states widow of William)
Williams son William born 1771 married Mary in Wiveliscombe. There is no sign of this marriage in the parish records. If you can give me any more information I will see what I can find out for you.
Also there is no sign of a Francis born 1803 in Wiveliscombe parish records
All the best
Jane
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Hi Jane,
I'm only just starting to look into this myself, so I'm not clear what the story is yet, but I think Francis Chorley got married in Exton, I think that is also where William and Mary baptised their kids, at least.
http://www.wsom.org.uk/Parreg.html
My best guess is William (born c1770) and Mary married in Wiveliscombe and baptised there kids:
William Chorley William/Mary Exton Farmer 26 4 1813 born 7.6.1798
Jane Chorley William/Mary Exton Farmer 26 4 1813 born 16.1.1801
Harriot Chorley William/Mary Exton Farmer 26 4 1813 born 31.5.1802
Francis Chorley William/Mary Exton Farmer 26 4 1813 born 12.7.1803
Robert Chorley William/Mary Exton Farmer 26 4 1813 born 28.2.1805
Anne Chorley William/Mary Exton Farmer 26 4 1813 born 26.9.1807
..in Exton. My next best guess is that Francis son of William married Eliza Ward Paramore in 1839, to which we get William Paramore Chorley born 1841. William Paramore begat Robert Thomas Percical Chorley who begat Albert Leonard Lovebond Chorley who is my granddad.
So it seems, if I'm right, I may be related to William and Mary Chorley, so the next question is, who is this William's parents? Maybe William and Joan?
Got to go to work, but I'll keep looking.
I found there is a Chorley's Farm in Wilveliscombe, its beautiful! And its for sale at the moment. If I had the £700,000 I'd buy it!
Craig
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Hi Craig
Unfortunately you have a confusing family which is going to take a while to so out. So lets see what we have.
Francis Chorley married Eliza Ward from Minehead on either 7/10/1836 or 18/3/1839 in Exton. The record in 1839 states she has possibly been married before and gives her fathers name as Thomas Paramore, who is a farmer.
Francis and Eliza children:
Robert 9/4/1840 Triscombe, Exton
William Paramore chorley 20/4/1841Triscombe Exton
William Paramore 11/8/1842 Tiscombe Exton
Francis Parents were William Chorley and Mary Widlake who married in Exton 21/1/1794
Children include:
JOan and Mary twins born 29/3/1796. Joan was privately baptised on 18/4/1795
Harriett b23/1/1797 Buried 17/3/1798
William bap 7/6/1798
Jane b 16/1/1801 bap26/1/1801
Herriot b 31/5/1802 bap 10/11/1802
Francis b 12/07/1803 bap 18/07/1803
Robert b28/02/1805 bap 1/05/1805
Anne b 26/09/1807 bap 28/10/1807
Eliza b25/12/1810 bap 10/02/1811 buried 1/4/1811
You believe that the parents of William Chorley (who married Mary Widlake ) came from Wiveliscombe and were called William and Joan. This could be William Chorley and Joan Colllard who marrried on28/8/1770 in Wiveliscombe. there is however another possibility. William Chorley and Joan Langdon who married in Exton in 25/3/1769. The records state that he came from Wiveliscombe.
Possible children for either of them. are
Mary bap 3/2/1771 in Wiveliscombe
William bap 23/5/1771 Wiveliscombe
Ann 9/2/1772
Joan 26/12/1772 buried 20/1/1773
Thomas 16/10/1774
Peggy 19/04/01778
William 27/06/1779
Joan collard was buried 22/07/1781 in Wivelsicombe
Joan Chorley nee Langdon was buried 17/05/1773 and her brother Robert Langdon was buried 22/05/1773 in Exton. So at a guess The William born/bap 3/2/1771 was William and Joan Langdons son. There are no births for Chorley in Exton for a William and Joan so I guess she moved to Wiveliscombe.
Thats all I have for now. Have a look and see what you think.
All the best
Jane
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Hi Jane and Craig - It seems that we are not following the same line of Chorleys.
However, a piece of trivia you may be interested in.
When visiting Taunton, Wiveliscombe and Chipstable several years ago we noticed that among the headstones in the churchyard at Taunton there was a little memorial stone which stated it had been erected by a Maria Trainer in memory of the Chorley family in recognition of the Chorley family’s kindness to her. Another puzzle which I haven't been able to solve - perhaps Maria was connected to your side of the Chorley family?
Regards
Maddison
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Hi Maddison
Thank you for that little bit of information. Maria Trainer was a Chorley. She married Thomas trainer. If I remember rigthly they converted a School into a tea shop. I have more details somewhere If you would like to know more I will look it up for you. Maria's Parents were Thomas Chorley and Mary Govett.
Getting back to your family. I found them on the 1881 census. Jane b 1872 and Mary b 1863 were at home living with their parents John and Jane. John was from Brompton Ralph and Jane was from Elworthy. John was a farmer. (source 1881 census on family search)
John and Jane Thorne married 1864 in Wellington.
?? John previously married Maria Stone in Mar 1851
Maria died 1863
I have had a look at the records for Brompton Ralph for John chorley born abt 1830 and he is not there. You will need to get some more census look ups to see if he gives any other places of birth on the 1841/51/61/71 census etc.
I hope this helps. Please let me know how you get on
All the best
Jane
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Hi Jane
Well, that really is interesting to know how Maria Trainer fits into the picture. Have been trying to find something on her for ages. Is Maria on your side of the Chorley family? If so, I think I might have a little more on her - will check my notes.
Yes, thank you, I have that infor re the census. John's first wife, Maria, died when their daughter Mary was born and John married again and had two more children.
I am still trying to find what happened to John and Maria's children, Eliza, Caroline, Thomas and Mary. John and his second wife, Jane had two children John and Jane. Have found John - still looking for Jane.
Kind regards and thanks for your help.
Maddison
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Hi Jane
Have found the reference to Maria Trainer - it may be of interest to you.
The following record of business dealings between Maria Trainer and members of the Chorley family was found on the Somerset Records Office site for 1846
Deeds of miscellaneous Somerset parishes. Deeds of Court House and cottages in Wiveliscombe – Somerset Record Office. Access: Open - Ref - A\BLQ/36/5
1. Thomas Collard of Greenwich, Kent, tailor and Mary his wife, Jane Chorley of London, spinster, Thomas Trainer of Wiveliscombe, draper and tea dealer and Maria his wife, Abraham Christopher Lutley of Wiveliscombe, merchant and Betsy his wife and Harriet Mary Chorley Field of Wiveliscombe, spinster
2. Thomas Trainer and Abraham Christopher Lutley
3. Henry Trewolla of Wiveliscombe, plumber and glazier
4. John Clatworthy of Wiveliscombe, ironmonger
Re Transfer of mortgage of property as in A\BLQ 36/2.
Kind regards
Maddison
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Hi Craig,
I too have the same dilema.
I am related to you in this manner :)
Francis Chorley was the Brother of Harriet/Herriot, Can you please advise which one married Thomas Lovebond from Nympton, Devon Marriage date is 14/6/1827?
My Dad, Arthur Montague Chorley b 1923,
his Dad Arthur montague Chorley b1893,
his Dad Arthur Montague Chorley b1870,
his Dad William paramore Chorley 15th April 1841 Exton Somereset,
his Dad Francis Chorley 12/7/1803 (Yeoman) Exton Somerset.
His Dad William/ mother Joan Collard??? or william/joan langdon??? Another Family member has the Collard connection, have you moved further forward?
My Great Grandad and his wife Sussanah may Mort moved to Derby in the Midlands and thats how we got to Derby.
Please get in touch to discuss the above.
Best Wishes
carl chorley
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Hey Craig/jane
I am also researching the Chorley Family and have quite a bit of info on william paramore and his wife jesse
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Re; Chorley? Collins Families Wiveliscombe Somerset.
Posted by ;morgs on wednesday 18th August 2010 (Aust)
Hello to Jane or Lyn.
Not sure if I am doing this right,anyway
William Collins was my great grandfather, he arrived in Geelong
Aust on the 18th April 1857.He married Sarah James in 1859,so I think we maybe related. If you would like to get in touch we may be able to find out more.
morgs
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Hi
My connection with the Chorley family is Francis Chorley born 19th August 1843, Exton, son of Francis Chorley baptised 18th July 1803, Exton, occupation yeoman (1841 – shown on census living at Triscombe Farm) and Eliza Ward Chorley (nee Paramore) baptised 26th May 1814, Minehead, illegitimate daughter of Mary Ward who married Thomas Paramore by licence on 19th August 1817, Minehead, who were married 18th March 1839 Minehead (parish records at Exton show a previous marriage on 7th October 1836??).
Francis married Married Emma Gregory at Worcester Register Office on 18th July 1862. My link is through the Gregory family.
Francis appears to have led a complicated life and I have no idea why he ended up in Worcester. He moved back to the Exeter region and then ended up in Tewkebury via Dursley. He disappears circa 1880 and in 1881 his wife describes herself as a widow on one of his sons' burial record. I can find no record of his death, but I believe his father died in Birmingham in 1881.
If anyone has any knowledge of this branch of the family I would be grateful.
Tofgem
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Hi Tofgem
Sorry if i seem a bit confused but which Francis chorley's death are we looking for? There is a death for Francis in June quarter 1881 in Birmingham aged 77 which would be about right for the Francis baptised in 1803.
Jane
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Hi Jane
Francis Chorley b1843 is the one I am interested in. As you say the 1881 death in Birmingham is believed to be his father, but Francis jnr. disappears around the same time.
Tofgem
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Hi Tofgem
I have to go to work now so I will have to be quick.
My Chorley family moved from Wiveliscombe, Milverton, Bridgewater to Birmingham because of the railways. There was little work in Somerset so the railways offered them a chance of a job.
Going back to your family have you tried the shipping records he may have gone abroad. Australia were crying out for ag labs to move over there. He could have gone out first to find somewhere to live. Just a thought.
I will have a closer look at FreeBmd and see If I can see any deaths that could be him when I get back in. If I find anything I will let you know.
Good luck
Jane
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Hi Jane
Thanks for the offer, but I have searched FreeBMD until I am blue in the face, but with no luck. There is no record of his death in the Gloucestershire BMD either. I can trace his wife through to her death together with his children and she does give her status as widow on the burial record of one of her sons in 1881. His wife describes herself as head of the household, but married in the 1881 census, but by the 1891 census she is still head of the household, but a widow.
It is possible that he ran away to one of the colonies. I am sure that at some time in the past I looked at shipping records. I will look again.
I have a feeling that he just disappeared/ran away, or his death is staring me in the face and I cannot see it.
Tofgem
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Hi Jane
William Collins (Chorley) was my great grandfather
he arrived in Geelong in 1857 .He was married to Sarah James
His second marriage was to Elizabeth Pritchett in1879.
He had 16 children from the two marriages.
morgs
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Hi Morgs
I think the family you are looking for is a different family from the one being discussed here.
I have looked into your family for someone before but I do not think we got too far back. I will have to see if I still have the notes and then i will let you know what I found.
If I remember right somewhere along the line the mother was a single mother so we couldnt go back any further.
I get back to you as soon as I find my notes.
Jane
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Hello Jane
Thank you for getting back to me ,I am really confused,My William Collins (my great grandfather) was born in
wiveliscombe in1830-31.He arrived in Geelong (Aust) on 15 April
1857 ,his married Sarah James in 1859 his eldest son was Frederick there were10 children altogether with only 4surviving,he then remarried & had 6 more children.
Is this a different family to your William Collins(Chorley)
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I've just been trying to collate mine and the info here into a family tree, so I can picture what is going on. It is really interesting to see how we are connected, especially to William Paramore and some to their son Francis. Recently we went to have a look around Wilveliscombe and the Chorley Farm. There wasn't much sign of Chorley's in the church yard, though a couple of mentions inside the church. I think our next trip will be to Exton, and maybe to Triscombe to see the farm that Francis must have owned. If we find anything, we'll post up pictures.
Anyone got any other suggestions?
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Craig
This is newkid90. This is really bizarre, but my nephews name is also Craig Chorley - i thought it was him sending me a message.
William Paramore Chorley was the paternal Great Grandfather of my wife. Have plenty more info email me at
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Hi Craig,
I too have the same dilema.
I am related to you in this manner :)
Francis Chorley was the Brother of Harriet/Herriot, Can you please advise which one married Thomas Lovebond from Nympton, Devon Marriage date is 14/6/1827?
My Dad, Arthur Montague Chorley b 1923,
his Dad Arthur montague Chorley b1893,
his Dad Arthur Montague Chorley b1870,
his Dad William paramore Chorley 15th April 1841 Exton Somereset,
his Dad Francis Chorley 12/7/1803 (Yeoman) Exton Somerset.
His Dad William/ mother Joan Collard??? or william/joan langdon??? Another Family member has the Collard connection, have you moved further forward?
My Great Grandad and his wife Sussanah may Mort moved to Derby in the Midlands and thats how we got to Derby.
Please get in touch to discuss the above.
Best Wishes
carl chorley
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Hi Carl
My wife's name is Christine Chorley
Her dad was Albert Leonard b1907
His dad was Albert Leonard b1879 brother of your Arthur Montague
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I believe that makes your wife my dad's second cousin? Her dad was my my granddad's cousin, and shared the same name. How and when did she end up in Canada? I believe most of her Chorley relatives would have been based in London.
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Hi newkid90,
Your wife Christine's father Albert Leonard 1907 is my Great Grandmother older brother. so my Grandad Brian is her 1st cousin. My great grandmother was called Florence May Chorley 1916 (known as May).
I dont know how information you have, but i have quite a bit. Is your wife in contact with any of her cousins?
Some of my family stil live near where albert leonard 1879 lived in wood green, london.