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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: JDB307 on Wednesday 02 November 05 15:44 GMT (UK)
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The following are surnames of some of my ancestors. If you think you have a connection I would be delighted to hear from you.
BLYTH Markinch, Dysart, Kirkcaldy
CHRISTIE (Shoemakers) Dysart
SIMPSON (Shoemakers) Dysart, Abbotshall, Kinghorn
LEITCH (At least one sailor) Kirkcaldy
MACKIE (Ag labs & carters) Markinch
CARSTAIRS Kirkcaldy, Dysart
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Hi there JDB307,
I'm sersearching the CHRISTIE/LAMBERT surnames..I have James Christie marr Agnes KIRK..issue Margaret Christie b 1833 Markinch she marr James Lambert.
Yonks Ago
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Hello Yonks Ago,
I cannot fit any of your Lamberts or Christies to my tree at the moment. Perhaps the connection is further back.
JDB307
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I am researching Elizabeth Blyth who I believe married John Colville. All I know is they were from Scotland and I believe their daughter Mary 1826 on census but date seems to differ. If it is my Mary she married John Kelly 1827 Ireland.
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I have MACKIE's from Carnbee in Fife. :)
Andrew Mackie was b Carnbee 9 July 1775, the son of Andrew Mackie & Isobel Allan. His siblings were George 18/2/1781 & John 25/5/1777.
ANDREW MACKIE b.9 Jul 1775 Carnbee Fife m 5 Dec 1801 St Andrews and St Leonards Fife (proclaimed 21 Nov) married ANNE ABBIE (wit David Abbie and George Mackie) C Carnbee 10 Mar 1776 (Her parents may have been DAVID ABBAY and ANN WILSON who were married 6 June 1772 in Dunino Fife)
Ann Mackie, daughter of Andrew Mackie and Ann Abbie, b17 Jan 1808 Carnbee, d 31 May 1893 Dunfermline. Her siblings were David 20/7/1806, Andrew 31/7/1803, Mary 2/2/1812 & William 26/8/1810.
Ann Mackie married Thomas Fairbairn in 1827. They were my gt gt grandparents. :)
Burrow Digger
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Hello Burrow Digger,
Can't match your Mackies with mine at the moment.
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I'm interested in the Blyths, though mine are from Newburgh predominantly.
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Hope it helps.
1 Andrew LEITCH
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Occ: Engineer.
Spouse: Ann DAVIDSON
Children: Robina (1843-1900)
1.1 Robina LEITCH
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Birth: 1843, Kinglassie, Fife.
Death: 26 2 1900, Lumphinnans, Fife1
Reli: Church of Scotland
1881 Census: Cardenden Colliery, Auchterderran, FIF, Robina JAPP M 38 F Kinglassie, Fife, Scotland. Rel: Wife.
1891 Census: Dunfermline, FIF, Robina, wife, marr., 48, FIF, Kinglassie.
Spouse: James JAPP
Birth: 25 12 1840, Dalgety, Fife
Death: 19 6 1898, Lumphinnans, Fife2
Occ: Coal miner
Reli: Church of Scotland.
Father: Andrew JAPP (1817-1884)
Mother: Elizabeth HYND (1819-1879)
1851 Census: Fordel Muir, Dalgety, FIF, James, son, 10, scholar, FIF, Dalgety.
1877 daur. Ann JAPP, 14, killed in pit accident.
1881 Census rec.
Dwelling: Cardenden Colliery
Census Place: Auchterderran, Fife, Scotland
James JAPP M 40 M Dalgety, Fife, Scotland. Rel: Head. Occ: Coal Miner.
Robina JAPP M 38 F Kinglassie, Fife, Scotland. Rel: Wife.
Andrew JAPP U 15 M Beath, Fife, Scotland. Rel: Son. Occ: Coal Miner.
James JAPP 13 M Beath, Fife, Scotland. Rel: Son. Occ: Coal Miner.
Elizabeth JAPP 11 F Beath, Fife, Scotland. Rel: Daur. Occ: Scholar.
Cecilia JAPP 10 F Auchterderran, Fife, Scotland. Rel: Daur. Occ: Scholar.
Agnes JAPP 7 F Kinglassie, Fife, Scotland. Rel: Daur. Occ: Scholar.
1891 Census recs.
Census Place: Dunfermline, FIF.
James JAPP, head, marr., 50, coal miner, FIF, Dalgety.
Robina, wife, marr., 48, FIF, Kinglassie.
James, son, unm., 23, coal miner, FIF, Beath.
Elizabeth, daur., 21, servant in house, FIF, Beath.
Cecilia, daur., 20, linen weaver, FIF, Auchterderran.
Agnes, daur., 17, linen weaver, FIF, Kinglassie.
Helen, daur., 9, FIF, Auchterderran.
Alexander, son, 7, FIF, Markinch.
Marr: 15 3 1861, Auchterderran Manse, Fife3
Children: Ann (1862-1877)
Andrew (1866-)
James (1868-)
Elizabeth (1870-)
Cecilia (1871-)
Agnes (1874-)
Helen (1882-)
Alexander (1884-)
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Hello Wildgoose,
Thanks for that but I don't think it's the sames Andrew Leitch. Mine was a lot earlier.
Regards, Jack
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Hello Jack
I might be related to your BLYTH's - my gt-grandfather was John BLYTH b 1859 to William BLYTH (b 1830) and Ann MILLAR who married 1855 in Bridgend, Fife. Their marriage cert named William's parents as James BLYTH and Janet CARSWELL. James died before 1851 (when Janet was already a widow) and I have to date no confirmation of his parentage - however, I believe he could be the son chr 1780 of Thomas BLYTH and Elspeth GREY; Thomas being the son (per your tree and Bill's also) of William BLYTH and Elizabeth FAIRFULL.
John BLYTH (b1859) and his wife Agnes Christina Brown LATTO and children left Scotland in 1898 and emigrated to the Falkland Islands. I believe a brother of John's - Robert, probably went to the Pennsylvania USA a few years after that and another, Thomas went to Canada but eventually returned to Fife.
Regards
AMBLY
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Name: Alexander BLYTH
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Birth: 1801 Perth, Perthshire.
Occupation: Ironsmith journeyman
Marriage: 29 12 1826 Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland
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Spouse: Agnes DALL
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Birth: 1811 Angus.
Children:
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1 F: Mary BLYTH
Birth: 5 11 1828 Arbroath, Forfar.
Christen: 15 12 1828 Arbroath, Forfar.
Death: 26 8 1893 Infirmary, Arbroath1
Spouse: Robert RAMSAY
Marriage: 23 7 1853 Arbroath, Fofar2
Spouse: UNKNOWN
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2 M: Alexander BLYTH
Birth: 11 1 1830 Arbroath, Fofar.
Christen: 15 1 1830 Arbroath, Fofar.
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3 M: John BLYTH
Birth: 20 1 1833 Arbroath, Fofar.
Christen: 18 2 1833 Arbroath, Fofar.
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4 M: William BLYTH
Birth: 13 12 1835 Arbroath, Fofar.
Christen: 26 12 1836 Arbroath, Fofar.
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5 F: Isabella BLYTH
Birth: 24 10 1837 Arbroath, Fofar.
Christen: 3 4 1838 Arbroath, Fofar.
Occupation: Flax spinner.
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6 M: Joseph Jiff BLYTH
Birth: 5 4 1842 Arbroath, Fofar.
Christen: 13 6 1842 Arbroath, Fofar.
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7 M: David BLYTH
Birth: 1846 Arbroath, Angus.
Notes for Alexander BLYTH
1841 Census recs.
Dwelling: Fore Abbey Street
Census Place: The Abbey, Arbroath, ANS
BLYTH Alexander M 40 Tin Plate Worker Journeyman Outside Census County (PER).
BLYTH Agnes Dall F 30 Angus
BLYTH Alexander M 10 Angus
BLYTH John M 5 Angus
BLYTH William M 5 Angus
BLYTH Mary F 10 Flaxspinner Angus
BLYTH Isabella F 1 Angus
1851 Census recs.
Dwelling: Fore Abbey St.
Census Place: Arbroath, ANS
Alexander BLYTH, head, widr., 53, tin smith, PER, Perth.
Isabella BLYTH, daur., 13, flax spinner, ANS, Arbroath.
Joseph BLYTH, son, 8, scholar, ANS, Arbroath.
David BLYTH, son, 6, scholar, ANS, Arbroath.
Notes for Agnes DALL
1841 Census: Fore Abbey Street, The Abbey, Arbroath, ANS, BLYTH Agnes Dall F 30 Angus
Notes for Mary (Child 1)
1841 Census: Fore Abbey Street, The Abbey, Arbroath, ANS, BLYTH Mary F 10 Flaxspinner Angus
1861 Census recs.
Dwelling: 15 Seagate.
Census Place: Arbroath, ANS.
Mary Blyth RAMSAY, head, wid., 33, flax factory worker, ANS, Arbroath.
Mary RAMSAY, daur., 11, scholar, ANS, Forfar.
Ann DONIGAN, lodger, unm., 20, flax factory worker, IRL.
1881 Census recs.
Dwelling: 12 Bakers Wynd
Census Place: Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland
Mary Blyth RAMSAY W 68 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland, Rel: Head
Ann RAMSAY U 18 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland, Rel: Daur Occ:Spinner Flaxmill
Mother's name also recd. as Ann DALL.
Notes for Alexander (Child 2)
1841 Census: Fore Abbey Street, The Abbey, Arbroath, ANS,
Mother's name recd. as Agnes DALL.
Notes for John (Child 3)
1841 Census: Fore Abbey Street, The Abbey, Arbroath, ANS, BLYTH John M 5 Angus
Mother's name recd. as Nancy DALL.
Notes for William (Child 4)
1841 Census: Fore Abbey Street, The Abbey, Arbroath, ANS, BLYTH William M 5 Angus
Mother's name recd. as Ann DALL.
Notes for Isabella (Child 5)
1841 Census: Fore Abbey Street, The Abbey, Arbroath, ANS, BLYTH Isabella F 1 Angus.
1851 Census: Fore Abbey St., Arbroath, ANS, Isabella BLYTH, daur., 13, flax spinner, ANS, Arbroath.
Mother's name recd. as Ann DALL.
Notes for Joseph Jiff (Child 6)
1851 Census: Fore Abbey St., Arbroath, ANS, Joseph BLYTH, son, 8, scholar, ANS, Arbroath.
Mother's name recd. as Ann DALL.
Notes for David (Child 7)
1851 Census: Fore Abbey St., Arbroath, ANS, David BLYTH, son, 6, scholar, ANS, Arbroath.
Sources
1. Death cert. No.305
Mary RAMSAY, wid. Robert Ramsay, canvas weaver
d.1893, Aug 26th, Infirmary, Arbroath, ANS, age 57.
ures. 9 Convent St., Arbroath.
f.Alexander BLYTH, ironsmith journeyman, decd.
m.Ann BLYTH, ms DALL, decd.
cod.cardiac disease.
sign.Ann RAMSAY, daur., 9 Convent St., Arbroath.
reg.1893, Aug 26th, Arbroath, ANS
2. OPR Proclamation of Banns & Marriages
1853, July 23rd, Arbroath, ANS
Robert RAMSAY, weaver, and Mary BLYTH, both in this parish.
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Last Modified: 7 1 2007
Created: 14 1 2007
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Hello Wildgoose,
Thanks for the census info but my Alexander Blyth was born 1802 in Balbirnie Burns, Fife and died in a quarry accident near Dundee on 16 March 1829.
Regards, Jack
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Hi my wife has Mackies in her family tree. We can trace back to Andrew Mackie b abt 1786 Kilconquhar he married Agnes Wallace in 1811 in the same place. They had 11 children born between 1811-1835ish. The one my wife is related to is Andrew Mackie born abt 1834 somewhere in Fife he married Christina Haxton in 1860 in Kennoway, Fife. They had 4 children born between 1860-1872. The 2nd daughter Christina married Andrew Anderson in 1886 in Carnbee. Christina died in 1932.
Hope this helps and some names are on your tree as well
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Hello djcrtoye,
Thanks for that. They seem to be the right Mackie family but I have been unable to make a connection as yet. I'll keep looking.
Jack
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I am descended from a Andrew Mackie b. 1802 (parents John and Bell Mackie who married at St. Andrews and St. Leonards,Fife Dec. 9,1797).
Other children were:
Agnes b.1799
Alexander b.1800
May b.1804
William b.1806
Janet b.1807
Isabell b.1811
Helen Thoms b.1811
John b.1817
Andrew married Harriet Annal
I also have a Beveridge born Auchtermuchy,Fife c. 1809 who married Francis Keay.
Do any of these people fit into the above families mentioned?.
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Hello Gervaise,
Sorry but I have no connections with the names you list. Good luck with the rest of your research.
Regards, Jack
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hi, just registered and new to this. I'm from blyth on my dad's side and walker on my mum's side, both from newburgh and i'm trying to trace my family roots. Ali.
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Hello Ali,
Thanks for your message but my Blyths were mainly from the Markinch/Dysart/Kirkcaldy area and I've found no connection to the Blyths in Newburgh. However, stay with this board because you will find a lot of very nice, helpful people on it.
Good luck with your research.
Kind regards,
Jack
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Hi
I have a Thomas Blyth born abt 1815 Dysart married Margaret Hunter of Kirkcaldy 22 Nov 1840.
from what I have found so far they had 2 sons:
John b 22 Aug 1841 Dysart
George b 28 Aug Dysart
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Any of your Mackies from Wemyss? I have a 4xGt Grandfather John Mackie marrying Margaret Ogilvie in Wemyss in 1790. I am then descended from their daughter Janet born 1800 in Wemyss.
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Re Blyth in Kirkcaldy, I had Blyth ancestors in the parish of Abbotshall for several generations - a father and son both called Peter or Patrick, the father married to Isobel Inglis, the son to Margaret Watson, if I remember correctly. A daughter of Peter Blyth and Mgt. Watson called Isobel Blyth married William Anderson in Dysart, and they moved east to Pittenweem, becoming the ancestors of many Andersons and others in the East Neuk of Fife.
Kirkcaldy Museum and Art Gallery benefited greatly from the generosity of John Blyth, a manufacturer in Dysart who gifted his fine art collection to them. John Blyth was the maternal grandfather of Michael Portillo, the former Tory cabinet minister and now TV presenter. Portillo has made interesting radio and TV programmes about Kirkcaldy and his boyhood visits there.
I grew up in Cellardyke in the East Neuk, and when I was a boy the field across the road from our house contained a small herd of cows and was known as Blyth's Park (the RAF later built married quarters there). The Blyths of Cellardyke originated in the 19th century with an Alexander Blyth born in Balmerino, possibly a relative of the Newburgh Blyths.
Harry
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Hello Weasel1,
I don't have a Robert Blyth born c.1815. Do you know who his parents were?
Hello Portybelle,
Sorry, no Mackies from Wemyss.
Hello Harry,
Any dates for your Abbotshall Blyths?
With regard to John Blyth, the benefactor of Kdy Art Gallery, I've tried to trace his family back but can find no connection.
My son used to live in that wee house facing the slipway in Cellardyke harbour. Is there any chance that you could pin-point "Blyth's Field", maybe on Google Earth?
Regards to all three of you,
Jack
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I'm not sure how to manipulate Google Earth, but Blyth's Park (not Field) in Cellardyke was bounded by Fowler Place on the south, Toll Road on the east and Crail Road on the north. Part of it was known as the Wattery Butts. In the 1950s, at the height of the Cold War, the Ministry of Defence built an extra RAF station in Cellardyke to service RAF Leuchars. Blyth's Park had houses built in it for the married NCOs and their families, the cornfield behind our house in Toll Road was taken over for the main camp, with parade-ground and barracks for the squaddies and the officers got nice detached houses at the end of East Forth Street with splendid sea views.
Later, when the camp was closed down, a Yorkshire businessman called Evans bought the land and turned it into Anstruther Holiday Camp, and the grim barracks were re-christened "chalets"!
As for my Blyths in Kirkcaldy, Patrick Blyth and Isabell Inglis were married at Abbotshall in 1709. Their son Patrick was born there in 1711.
Patrick Blyth (b.1711) married Margaret Watson of Dysart in 1744. Their daughter Isobel Blyth (b.1748) married William Anderson of Dysart in 1770.
Wm. Anderson and Isobel Blyth moved to St. Monans, then to Pittenweem, where their daughter Betty Anderson married local fisherman Lock Horsburgh, the first bearer of that famous name. Lock and Betty were my 3 x great-grandparents.
Harry
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Hello Harry,
Many thanks for that. I'll take a close look at it when I get back.
Regards,
Jack
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Hello again Harry.
I was very interested in your Blyth family postings and am looking to see if there is a connection with my Abbotshall Blyth families.
I have John Blyth married to Margaret Reekie, 22 Jan 1780, Abbotshall. I'm decended through their daughter Agnes Blyth who married Simon Young 5 Dec 1807, Abbotshall.
I have Peter Blyth and Margaret Watson as possible parents of the above John and any info you have that would confirm this (or otherwise) would be great.
Regards,
George
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Well, I see that Patrick Blyth (the younger) and Mgt. Watson had a son called John in 1750, and he could certainly have been the John Blyth who married Mgt. Reekie in 1780. But there were other families called Blyth in Abbotshall at the same time. If you know the names of all the children of John Blyth and Mgt. Reekie you might get a clue as to the grandparents' names.
By the way, I believe the Margaret Watson who married Patrick Blyth in 1744 is the Mgt. born at Dysart in 1714 to John Watson and Margaret Lindsay, who were married at Dysart in 1708. They had an earlier daughter called Margaret in 1708, but she must have died.
If you want me to really go out on a limb, I would suggest that this John Watson is the John born at Dysart in 1683 to James Watson and Janet Miln (m.1669, Dysart), and that his wife Margaret Lindsay is the Margaret born at Dysart (surprise, surprise!) in 1683 to Robert Lyndsay and Margaret Craigie (m. 1676, Dysart).
There you go, I've constructed a fine old Dysart pedigree for you, even if it is a bit of a castle in the air!
As for the Abbotshall lot, Patrick Blyth junior's parents Patrick Blyth and Isobel Inglis (m.1709) had a son called Andrew in 1710, so it's not impossible that Isobel may have been the Isobel born at Abbotshall in 1686 to Andrew Inglis and Janet Williamson (the Williamsons were a Dysart family!).
Incidentally, a David Blyth and Jean Williamson were married at Abbotshall in 1669 and had a son called David at Dysart in 1673, so there's a possible link between Blyth, Inglis and Williamson.
The OPRs of Abbotshall and Dysart are so well-kept compared to some (e.g. Borders OPRs) that it's very tempting to build up these speculative family-trees from all the information available. Well, you have to start somewhere! And if you get evidence that one of your "ancestors" wasn't your ancestor after all, you can always kill them off.
One last intriguing thought to finish with. I've mentioned the Williamsons of Dysart, and I know of at least one Robert Williamson who was fathering children there in the 1600s. Scotland's great 15th century warship, the Great Michael, is supposed to have been crewed by Fife men among others, and the only one whose name has survived as far as I know is a Robert Williamson, who was "a wright, of Dysart". He was probably the ship's carpenter, an important member of the crew.
Harry
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Thanks Harry.
Eldest son of John Blyth and Margaret Reekie is Peter Blyth b 20 July 1784, Abbotshall which makes me think that parents of John are Peter/Patrick Blyth and Margaret Watson in all likelihood.
Their third recorded daughter is Margaret, with an intriguing gap which could allow for the possibility of an earlier daughter perhaps also named Margaret who would have been their second child and second daughter.
I also note that a Patrik Blyth was born 1638, Dysart, father George, so perhaps a link between this individual and the Patrick Blyths of Abbotshall.
Incidentally Margaret Reekie and her family are from St Monance parish, parents John Reekie and Mary Nicholson. Mary had a brother, John Reekie, who married a Janet Anderson which might be of interest and perhaps a link to the Dysart Anderson families.
I seem to recall that the building of the Great Michael is reputed to have involved the felling of virtually all the trees in Fife so it was certainly one large carpentry project!!
Regards,
George
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Well, well, I must admit that I thought of St. Monans as soon as I saw the surname Reekie. That name has been well researched, and I know of a Reekie descendant in Canada who has been studying them for years. I knew some Reekies when I was growing up in Cellardyke, and many local people there have Reekie antecedents, e.g. Murrays and others descended from the marriage of "Venus Peter" Murray of Cellardyke to Janet Reekie of St. Monans in Victorian times.
Harry
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mary blyth married william carruthers she died in cowdenbeath
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More Fife Mackie's.
Mine was a Lilias Mackie - born c 1778 in Dunfermline (married a Thomas Smealls). Her parents were John Mackie and Lilias Henderson m 2 April 1774 in Dunfermline.
Am stuck at that point.
Anyone out there with a link?
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I have an ancestor Helen Blythe born 19/3/1827 to George and Catherine in Fife.
Helen married, in Markinch 6/10/1846, Alexander Wallace who later died in Dysart Fife in 1850.
Helen then married a James Wishart and they immigrated to Australia.
Wondering if Helen would be related to your Blythes or if you have any information on Helen, Alexander or James?
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Hi Anne. Sorry, nothing on Helen Blyth(e). Are you in Australia? I live in Townsville in north Queensland.
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I have a Mackie family originally from Markinch, but I know little of their roots. My relative Christian Wallace, b 1844 Carnbee, married James Mackie of Markinch. Their oldest child John Mackie was born in Markinch 1868. Then the family moved to Auchterdurran and James became a coal miner. They had several more children there.
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The Mackies in my tree are distant relatives, but there's no connection with Markinch.
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Hi JDB…I know your original post dates back but if you see this, I have info on Ancestry about a George Carstairs Dewar (1890-1891). I'm not sure where the Carstairs name came to be in my tree. :)
Laura
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Hi, I am brand new here -- just arrived today via a friend and so I apologize in advance if I am addressing this message incorrectly. I have a great many FIFE surnames I am researching, but as that side of the family is LDS, I pretty much know all the male sides and am striving to increase the distaff sides. I noticed the following names detailed in the messages below, and I have a few of them in my mother's line:
Thomas CHRISTIE - born 1799, Dunfermline -- married Janet ANDERSON, Dunfermline
Robert SIM - born 1702, Stockmyers, Dunfermline, Fife -- married Janet KIRK, Dunfermline
John SIM - born 1727, Stockmyers, Dunfermline, Fife -- married Elizabeth STEVENSON, Dunfermline
and I do have a BEVERIDGE, but can't locate her on my Pedigree Chart at the moment -- sloppy printing! ☺
Happy if any of these complete or improve your lines and I look forward to hear from someone - anyone.
P.S. I have been to Dunfermline and it is a beautiful place! My Great-Grandmother, Maggie Christie HOGGAN was born there 1865.
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I replied to your post sometime ago saying that my Blyths were predominantly from Newburgh. My ancestor Thomas Blyth was the son of John Blyth and Ann or Agnes Millar. His birth record says that John was a shoemaker. If I'm following the right John, he was from Markinch, but I'm beginning to doubt that he is the right person. Ann or Agnes Millar was from Dunbog.
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Hi Kelly/Parker
I have an Elizabeth Blyth and John Colville in my family tree, do you have any more information on them? I believe Roberth Blyth and Anne Mitchelson were Elizabeths parents, but i have yet to confirm this.
What I do know is their son Thomas Colville born 1834 is my 5th great grandfather.