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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Westmorland => Topic started by: genjen on Friday 11 November 05 18:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am researching families from Longsleddale and wondered if there is anyone out there doing the same.
The names are: Kellet/ Kellett, Kitchen/ Kitchin, Todhunter, Wilson.
John Kellet married Abigail Todhunter in 1755 in Longsleddale. I have found a baptism record for John Kellet, son of John Kellet and Mary, in Selside, 1723.
I can't find any record of Abigail Todhunter's birth so if anyone can help on that, I'd be very grateful.
Also would appreciate anything on any of the above names.
Regards,
Jen
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Hi there
I don't know if you're still doing your research, but I've recently started myself and only just discovered this forum
I have a link in with Kellet / Kelletts and Kitchens from Longsleddale and would be happy to share any information I have - though I suspect it may not be as extensive as yours
regards
Cajondy
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Hi,
This post was made when I was researching a friend's family as a surprise 60th birthday present, some time ago. I haven't done anything more on the family recently but if you would like to tell me what you have, I will dig out my information and we can see where your family and my friend's meet up.
It might take me a while to find my information!
Cheers,
Jen
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Hi there
thanks for the reply
I have my Kellett family going bacxk to early 1700s to Thomas Kellett who married Agnes Airey (both of Longsleddale) - born 1738
Their son William also seems to have married an Agnes (though not sure of maiden name) - nor do I ahve any siblings for William
Their son William (c1756) married and Ann Wilson (c1769) - again, I have no other siblings for William
Their daughter Agnes married Thomas Kitchen (born born c 1807)
Their daughter Elizabeth (c1829) married John Newton (c1818)
Their daughter Agnes (c 1850) married John Dobson (c 1843)
Their daughter Isabel (c1878) married William Bateman (c1882) - and they are my Maternal Grt grandparents
I have anohter line of Kelletts but they are from Crosthwaite - I guess there will be a connection somewhere
I look forwards to receiving any informtion you may have
Cajondy
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Ok, We are in agreement for quite a lot of this but there is a discrepancy at one stage.
Let's start with Agnes Kellett, married to Thomas Kitchen. She lived in either Kilnstones or Yewbarrow Hall, Longsleddale. The couple had at least seven offspring, all daughters but I have no record of Elizabeth. She must have been their eldest child, the eariest I have is Ann, born 1831. Can you tell me more?
Agnes died Oct 1894. But in 1891, she was at Barkbooth, Crosthwaite, so I think that confirms your idea of a link there. Do you know the area, or even live here? Both of those houses are still in Longsleddale and very lovely too.
Agnes's parents: William Kellett and Ann Wilson, married 20/2/1792, Longsleddale. They had nine children, Abigail, Thomas, Isabella, Ann, John, Richard, Elizabeth, Agnes and Frances. William died 1843, Ann in 1861, both in Longsleddale.
Here is where we differ:
I have William's parents as John Kellet and Abigail Todhunter, married 16/12/1755, Longsleddale, John was born around 1723 in Selside, Westmorland. Their offspring included: William, Thomas, Joseph and David. All born Longsleddale
John's parents were: John Kellet , born c1700 and Mary (?). They had at least three children, John, Thomas and William.
So you can see that we have different information on this family. I don't have a note of my sources on my lap-top so will have to hunt them out but a great deal of my research was done in the Westmorland Records Offices so I will have checked pretty thoroughly. Can you tell me where your information came from? If I am wrong, I have to change my friend's tree, double quick!
Cheers,
Jen
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Hi Jen
not sure what happened there, I was mid flow with an email when the system told me the website was too busy and I seem to have lost the entire message
To confirm
I have marriage certificate for Elizabeth Kitchen and John Newton 10/12/1849 - Elizabeth was living at Longsleddale at the time and it shows her father as being Thomas - her witness was her sister Agnes. By 1861 she was living at Kilnstone with her husband and 5 of her children
I have 9 children in total for Thomas and Agnes - Ann being the eldest - born c 1827, then Elizabeth c1829, William c1832, Agnes c1834, Jane c1836, Isabella c1839, Mary c1842, Sarah c1847, Margaret c1850. Agnes and Thomas were living at Yewbarrow Hall in 1861 (with some of their children who hadn't already fled the nest) and Thomas was also living there in 1871 census
In 1861 census Elizabeth Kitchen was living at Kilnstone - by this time she was married to John Newton
I have 10 children for Agnes and THomas - they are: Abigail c1792, Thomas c1794, Isabella c 1796, Ann c1797, John c1799, Richard c 1801, Elizabeth c1802, Agnes c1807, FRances (or Fanny) c1811 & John c1818 (I can only assume the earlier John may have passed away early?
William (husband of Agnes) was in 1841 census with wife Ann and several of their children @ YEwbarrow hall - and he later died @ YEwbarrow hall in 1843. Wife Ann remained at Yewbarrow with her daughter Agnes and family up till 1861 census
William Kellet b1738 - I have his date of baptism as being 19/11/1738 and he died in Murthwaite in 1823 - death details confirmed in Longsleddale Church burial book (confirmed by current owner of YEwbarrow Hall) and baptism date from a member of the Kellett family. The same source confirmed Agnes' place and year of death as being 1822 also in Murthwaite.
whilst I've not seen the burial book, etc I have accepted the information provided to me (??)
hope this assists
regards
Anne
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Hi,
Sorry I didn't reply last night, I was completely locked out of Rootschat all evening. We seem to agree om most things until we get back to William Kellet's parents. I will double check my information and if I get chance, pop into the Records office again.
We went up to Yewbarrow Hall to take photos ( my partner knows the owner so we were able to wander over his land without being done for trespass!). If I can find them, would you like copies or do you have some already?
I am away workinh until Friday so nothing will happen before then!
Cheers,
Jen
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Hi Jen
yes please that would be lovely - shall I give you my email address?
regards
Cajondy
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Hi,
I am unexpectedly at home again - slight crisis with our vehicle. but it means that I might be able to get into Kendal Records Office this week to have another look at the baptism and marriage registers. Not promising, but if I can, I will.
I'll also see if I can find the photos to send you - I can do it on here or you can PM me with your email address.
Jen
PS - One of my daughter's best friends, at school, was a Bateman, from Kendal - I wonder if she was one of yours!
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Hi Jen
I had probs with my car today too - my faukt, bumped in to a kerbstone and cut two chunks out of the tyre! all repaired now
It would be great if you could get in to the registry office - thank you so veyr much - most kind of you to (only if you have time though - thanks...)
which school was your daughter (and her friend) at? My mother was a Bateman - went to School in Ambleside... Not sure how old your daughter's friend is, but suspect she's considerably younger than my mother - but may well be somehow connected
will pm now
regards
Cajondy
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Jen
did you get pm - think I may have loused up sending it!
regards
Cajondy
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Hello
I'm new and looking for info on Thomas Kellett, born Jan 1823 Longsleddale who was a labourer then joined the Coldstream Guards in 1843, serving in Crimean War. They tell me he was a labourer before enlisting. He had a son called John Kellett who fought in the Kings Own Royal Lancs 1888 - 1909 in South Africa...who had a son called George who was also in KORLR during WW1. George married Florence Gertrude Helme (daughter of Robert Newton Helme) in 1921...George is my grandfather and is proving very elusive!
Thanks so much
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Hi
do you know Thomas' parents names? Or names of any siblings?
regards
Cajondy
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Not for certain - I got his birth info from Coldstream Guards - he was born in Longsleddale Jan 1823 and I have tracked down what I think is him in later life in London but no records of any siblings - just a potential father called Thomas who was a farmer. My Thomas had occupation of agricultural labourer when he signed up. We know he fought in crimea, his son John joined Kings Own Royal Lancs circa 1888 and left in 1909. Have recently found out he had his son George in Ahmednagar India in 1892...they all moved around a lot with the army!
thanks
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Hi,
When I started this thread, I was researching a friend's family history and the Kelletts of Longsleddale are her ancestors. Unfortunately, I seem to have wiped the information from my lap-top after printing it for her ( or I have stored it somewhere safe! ::)) So I don't at the moment, have a record of a Thomas, born 1823.
There is a Thomas Kellet, aged 20, ag lab in 1841, He is in the household of John Thompson at Burton House, Grayrigg. This being 1841 and therefore rounded down in age, he could actually have been a little older. Do you think this is your man?
If I can find my own Kellett notes, I'll get back to you.
Jen
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gosh - thanks! the more i look the more i realise speling mistakes and roundings of ages are rife! I wont be able to come up to Longsleddale myself with my father until June to look in the church so anything at all would be so graeatfully received
Ben
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I do have quite a lot of other Kellett information, which I can post, if you want it but I don't want to spoil your fun if you are coming up to the area.
The church in Longsleddale is an absolute joy. :D
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post away!
so kind of you - we're coming anyway - my dear father is very excited and will want to visit 'the spot' anyway - he spent a lot of his childhood in the Lakes walking and climbing but until now has had little if any info on his ancestors...
thanks
so much
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It isn't a good idea to have your email address on a public post. Best to send that sort of information by a personal message. :)
This is what I have from the Records Office in Kendal. It is well worth a visit if you have time. I hope it is helpful and that you can decipher my method of note taking. Yewbarrow Hall and Kilnstones are both still there, so if you find you have a link to this family, you can have a look at them as well when you come up.
Kellett Family:
i) John Kellet, born circa 1700. John’s wife was Mary ( surname unknown). They had at least three children, John (circa1723, Selside), Thomas and William ( dates unknown). No more details known about John or his family.
ii) John Kellet, born circa 1723, Selside. John married Abigail Todhunter on 16th December 1755, in Longsleddale. Their offspring included:- William ( Circa 1760 Longsleddale), Thomas ( bapt 1760, Longsleddale), David ( 1768, Longsleddale) and Joseph ( 1762, Longsleddale)
iii) William Kellet circa 1760, Longsleddale. William married Ann Wilson ( no details known about her parents), on 20th February, 1792, in Longsleddale. From 1829 to 1841 he can be found at Yewbarrow, or Ubarrow, Hall in Longsleddale, where he was a farmer. William and Ann had nine children:- Abigail (1793, LS) Thomas (1794, LS), Isabella ( 1796, LS), Ann ( 1797, LS), John (1799, LS), Richard (1801, LS), Elizabeth ( 1802, LS), Agnes,( 30/8/1806, Longsleddale) and Frances (1811, LS). William died in 1843 and was buried in Longsleddale on 2nd July 1843. His wife, Ann, was still at Yewbarrow Hall in 1851, where she was described as a farmer of 314 acres. She died at Yewbarrow Hall in 1861.
Agnes Kellet, 1806, Longsleddale: She spent most of her life at either Kilnstones or Yewbarrow Hall, Longsleddale. The only census on which she was somewhere else was 1891 when she was at Bark Booth, Crosthwaite. She married Thomas Kitchen on 11th November 1828 and died in October 1894.
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Thanks for all that info - oops don't know how to do personal message - ..... Thomas had a son John so makes sense these names keep coming up
thanks
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Can I suggest that you go back to the post with your email address on it, click on the 'Modify' button then remove it from the post.
To do a personal message, you click on the name of the person to whom you want to send the message - on the top left corner of their posts. This will take you to their profile. At the bottom of the page is a link for sending a PM. From there it is all easy.
Cheers,
Jen :)
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Hi, I've just come across this post - my wife is also decended from William Kellet & Ann Wilson. A couple of bits of info I can add:
Thomas Kellett, soldier age 35, married Sophia Patient on 30 Nov 1858 at Southwark and his father is shown as Thomas Kellett, farmer. I had assumed he was Thomas Kellet son of Thomas & Isabella baptised at Longsleddale on 9 Dec 1821 (IGI) - and that Thomas is the son of William Kellet & Ann Wilson. As his age varies a bit in the censuses I hadn't worried about it being a year out on the marriage record, but I may be wrong.
On the original post, I've got a tentative baptism from IGI for Abigail Todhunter at Threlkeld Cumberland on 17 Jan 1723 daughter of Dav Todhunter. Parents would be David Todhunter & Elisabeth Robinson married at Threlkeld 20 Oct 1715. Hard to prove, but Abigail did name one of her children David, also there is a David Todhunter buried at Longsleddale in 1807 - possibly Abigail's brother (baptised at Threlkeld 22 Apr 1728).
Paul.