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Title: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Helen13 on Friday 18 November 05 09:26 GMT (UK)
Hi list
I am after any information on this couple. I think in 1839 David Willsher married Charlotte Elizabeth HART ? in Ticehurst. I think in 1851 census they are in Salehurst with a son Charles.
Could some kind person check out the 1851 census to see if this is correct.
David and Charlotte should be about 35 -37 years old in 1851 and David born in Hooe and Charlotte in Tunbridge Wells.

Because I have another Willsher branch ( Joseph b. about 1772 place unknown) in my family tree I would love to find out more information on David Willsher and if possible who his siblings/ parents might be. Is the 1841 census available? What church records do I need to check out?

Any information or help would be most appreciated.

Many thanks in advance

Helen
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: gougy on Friday 18 November 05 09:48 GMT (UK)
From IGI extracted record...

David WILLSHER married Charlotte Elizabeth HART on 4th June 1839 at Ticehurst

I'm sure this is only confirming what you already know - good luck with the census stuff  :)
   
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 18 November 05 10:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Helen

1851 Census

HO107/ 1639/ Folio  298/ Page 59 - Hurst Green, Sussex

WILSHER David, Head, Marr, 37, Laded Proprietor, born Hooe, Sussex
.............  Charlotte E, Wife, Marr, 37, born Tunbridge Wells
.............  Charles F H, son, Unm, 7months, born Camberwell, Surrey

Will now see if I can find them in the 1841

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 18 November 05 10:37 GMT (UK)
Hi again

Looked at the 1841 for Ticehurst and surrounding area, but although there are 4 seperate entries for Wilsher, nothing matches your criteria.

These are the entries

Wilsher Matilda, 7, at a private school under Ann Perigoe

Wilsher Thomas, 30, Farmer & Lucy, 30 together with 3 children and 4 servants

Wilsher Esther, 80, Independant with 2 servants

Wilsher Robert, 35, Farmer & Matilda, 35 with 4 children and 6 servants

Hope that lot above somehow helps you

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 18 November 05 10:46 GMT (UK)
Hi there

Might be a clue to where David comes from here

Location: Ticehurst, East Sussex,  Date:  4 Jun 1839:
Groom: David WILLSHER, bachelor, deaper Hastings - father deceased.
Bride: Charlotte Elizabeth HART, spinster of this parish
Witnessed by Jos.PETITTE & liza Jane HART.

Where this 'deaper Hastings' is, I have no idea, but will now look through the Hastings census to see if I can spot any clues

Chris in 1066

 
 
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 18 November 05 10:59 GMT (UK)
Hi again

In 1861 census they are back in Ticehurst, but no son with them

HO107/ 570/ Folio 5/ Page 3 - Union Street, Ticehurst

David Willsher, 47, born Hooe, Sussex, Head - ...ing Officer ?
Charlotte C Willsher, 47, born Tonb Wells, Kent, Wife.

Chris in 1066   
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Helen13 on Friday 18 November 05 11:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris
Thank you for all your help. :)

It is interesting that in 1861 census their son is not at home.I am interested in him because he may in 1887 marry into my other Willsher line.

I know that Charles Fdk. H Willsher is alive in 1881 as he is on the census with his parents, David and Charlotte Willsher at 25 Vale Road, Tonbridge, Kent.

After that I can not trace him. He may marry in 1887 a Emma or Minnie but I have not been able to find him on the 1891 or 1901 census. :(

Once more a big thank you
Helen
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 18 November 05 12:24 GMT (UK)
Hi again

The family was back together again in 1871

RG10/ 1046/ Folio 9/ Page 12 - Flimwell, Ticehurst
 
David Willsher, 58, born Hooe, Sussex, Head - Relieving Officer.
Charlotte E Willsher, 58, born Tunbridge Wells, Kent, Wife.
Charles F H Willsher, 20, born Camberwell, Middlesex, Son - Clerk.

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Helen13 on Saturday 14 January 06 04:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris    :D

Now that I have reviewed the information that you most kindly sent, I think that some of the 1841 Census WILSHER families in Ticehurst belong to the family I am searching for.

Can you inform me if you have access to the 1841 Census or if it is available?

I am very interested in Thomas and Lucy WILSHER and their 3 children. I am hoping that this is my family and that one child is called John (born about 1836). All will be born in Sussex. :)

Anyway, many thanks for the help you have given me and the time you have spent.

Helen

Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Jane Masri on Saturday 14 January 06 09:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Helen,
From the Sussex Marriage Index, here is the marriage of Thomas & Lucy by licence. First the licence then the actual marriage 3 days later.

Archdeaconry of Lewes Marriage Licence,   29 Dec 1834:
Thomas WILLSHER, Ticehurst
Lucy NOAKES, Mayfield
Extra Information: SRS 26 (Mayfield Church)

 Mayfield, East Sussex,    1 Jan 1835:
 Thomas WILLSHER, Ticehurst (lic)
 Lucy NOAKES, otp.

Checking the LDS IG Index, children attributed to a Thomas & Lucy WILLSHER,

John Noakes WILTSHIRE, cr. 15/11/1835, Ticehurst.  I think that's your man!

There are two more entries but I don't think they are yours as they seem a bit late,

Robert Willsher cr. 6/6/1850, Etchingham, Sussex
Isabel Willsher cr. 26/8/1854, Etchingham.

If someone can do a look-up for 1841 in Ticehurst you'll probably find a few more children,

Jane
 

Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Helen13 on Saturday 14 January 06 12:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Jane

Many thanks for the information. :D

All the children I think belong to Thomas and Lucy Willsher.

To confirm it I need to see the 1841 /1851 census. In 1841 I think they are in Ticehurst and in 1851 in Salehurst. Thomas is a widower in 1881 census.

I have not yet traced this family any further but we now do so.

Once again

Many thanks
Helen
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 14 January 06 12:48 GMT (UK)
Hi Helen

No sooner said than done

1841 census for Ticehurst

HO107/ 1109/ 8 - Gibsread, Ticehurst

WILLSHER  Thomas, 30, Farmer
................  Lucy, 30
................  John Noakes, 5
................  Ann Elizabeth, 4
................  Allen, 1
plus two male and two female servants

All the above born in Sussex

Hope that helps

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 14 January 06 12:58 GMT (UK)
Helen

No, sorry - not in Salehurst, this particular family are still nearby in 1851

HO107/ 1639/ Folio 49/ Page 15 - Hutchings, Burwash, Sussex

WILLSHER Thomas, Head, Marr, 40, Farmer or 184acres, employs 14, bone Hooe
................  Lucy, Wife, Marr, 38, born Mayfield
................  John N, Son, Unm, 15, Farmers Son, born Ticehurst
................  Walter, Son,Unm, 3, At Home, born Burwash
................  Robert, Son,Unm, 11months, At Home, born Burwash


Hope that all fits in

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 14 January 06 13:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Helen

Still around in 1861, but moved to a bigger farm

RG9/ 568/ Folio 158/ Page 10 - New House, Ninfield, Sussex

Thomas Willsher, 52, born Hooe, Sussex, Head - Farmer of 362 Acres, employs 8 Men
Lucy Willsher, 51, born Mayfield, Sussex, Wife.
Thomas Willsher, 19, born Ticehurst, Sussex, Son

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Helen13 on Saturday 14 January 06 13:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

Many thanks for the information that you sent so fast.
 I now have children that I did not have before.

Just to clarify on the 1861 census that Thomas age 19 is the son of Lucy and Thomas (senior) Willsher.

I was expecting to see a daughter Isabel born about 1854. I will have to recheck my notes.

Thank you very much for all the help.
Helen
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 14 January 06 13:32 GMT (UK)
Hi Helen

Family are back together again in 1871

RG10/ 1025/ Folio 36/ Page 11 - Hayes Farm, Beckley, Sussex

Thomas Willsher,62, born Hooe, Sussex, Head - Farmer of 325 Acres.
Lucy Willsher, 60, born Mayfield, Sussex, Wife
Walter Willsher, 23, born Burwash, Sussex, Son
Robert Willsher, 20, born Burwash, Sussex, Son
Isabel Willsher, 16, born Burwash, Sussex, Daughter

plus 2 servants

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 14 January 06 13:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Helen

Just to clarify on the 1861 census that Thomas age 19 is the son of Lucy and Thomas (senior) Willsher

Yes, sorry, I missed that bit out - he is described as Son.

I was expecting to see a daughter Isabel born about 1854. I will have to recheck my notes.

Went back and had another look - NO, she is not at home, but I found her here; It looks as though she is getting some private education?

RG9/ 564/ Folio 64/ Page 13 - Vine Hall, Whatlington, Sussex

Eliza Simes, 38, born East Peckham, Kent, Head
Sarah Simes, 8, born Whatlington, Sussex, Daughter
Mary Simes, 7, born Whatlington, Sussex, Daughter
Bertha Simes, 5, born Whatlington, Sussex, Daughter
Anna M Kennett, 22, born Rye, Sussex, Private Governess
Isabel Willsher, 6, born Burwash, Sussex, Pupil
Lucy Jempson, 12, born Whatlington, Sussex, Servant.

Hope that helps to sort things out

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Helen13 on Saturday 14 January 06 14:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

Once again many thanks.

I know that Thomas Willsher is at Hayes farm in 1881 census with Robert and Isabel.

Is it possible to check if any of the family are still there on the 1891 census?

Thank you very much for your help and I now can try to piece together this family branch.

A grateful and big thanks
from Helen
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 14 January 06 15:05 GMT (UK)
Hi again

I can only find Thomas Junior on the 1891 with wife Mary and Children in Salehurst, Sussex.

Do you have this information?  If not, will post it for you.

Chris in 166
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Helen13 on Monday 16 January 06 22:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

I would like Thomas (Junior) WILLSHER  (born 1842) in 1891 in Salehurst with his wife Mary please as I did not know he existed until you kindly found him for me in 1861 census.
 :)

The only information that I have on Thomas WILLSHER (born 1842) is as followed:

Census 1861 and 1881

That in 1868 he married Mary Matilda BOURNE(Born 1846 in Brede) in Rye district - from FREE BDM

That he query died in 1906 in Ticehurst aged 64.

If you trace him on any other census I would be most appreciative.

Once again many thanks for finding a missing link.

Helen
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 16 January 06 23:37 GMT (UK)
Helen

No sooner said than done - 1891 census

RG12/ 779/ Folio 29/ Page 8 - Squibbs Farm, Salehurst

Willsher, Thomas, 49, born Ticehurst, Sussex, Head - Farmer
Willsher, Mary M, 44, born Brede, Sussex, Wife.
Willsher, Frank T, 21, born Salehurst, Sussex, Farmers Son.
Willsher, Robert J, 19, born Salehurst, Sussex, Son - Millers Assistant
Willsher, Horace W, 17, born Salehurst, Sussex, Son - Drapers Assistant.
Willsher, Alice M, 12, born Salehurst, Sussex, Daughter

Chris in 1066

Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 16 January 06 23:47 GMT (UK)
Helen,

Do you have this one in Hurst Green, Salehurst, Sussex  1851

David Willsher, Head, Marr,37, Landed proprietor, bor Hooe
Charlotte E Wilsher, Wi, Marr, 37, born Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Charles F H Willsher, Son, Unm, 7 months, born Camberwell, Surry

At the moment I can not spot your John junior on the 1871 census

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 16 January 06 23:54 GMT (UK)
Helen

1901 Census; RG13/ 893/ Folio 30/ Page 8 - Squibbs Farm, Salehurst.

Willsher, Thomas, 59, born Ticehurst, Sussex, Head - Farmer
Willsher, Mary M, 54, born Brede, Sussex, Wife.
Willsher, Frank T, 31, born Salehurst, Sussex, Farmers Son.
Willsher, Horace W, 27, born Salehurst, Sussex, Son - Farmer
Willsher, Alice M, 22, born Salehurst, Sussex, Daughter

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 17 January 06 00:03 GMT (UK)
Helen

And finally the 1871 census

RG10/ 1047/ Folio 31/ Page 2 - Squibbs Farm, Salehurst

Frank Thos Wilshere, 1, born Salehurst, Sussex, Son.
Mary Matilda Wilshere, 24, born Brede, Sussex, Wife
Thomas Wilshere, 29, born Penhurst, Sussex, Head - Farmer of 110 acres employs 4 men & 2 boys

A newly married couple with their first child - didnt move about much in later life did they?

Chris in 1066 
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Helen13 on Tuesday 17 January 06 00:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

Thank you for all your hard work. :D :D

You have given Thomas WILLSHER (born 1842) on the census from 1861,1871,1891 and 1901. He was an extra child and now you have given  another child Frank. I am sure that he is not at home is 1881 and Hugh is home in 1881.

I will have to check further.

As Thomas ( junior) is not at home in 1851 census with Thomas (Senior) and Lucy WILLSHER, do you think that I am correct in assuming that at age 9 he was away a school?

I am going to finish now. Many thanks for all the help with the WILLSHER name.

Helen
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 17 January 06 02:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Ellen

Yes, you are right, he was away at school.

HO107/ 1619/ Folio 338/ Page 5 - Highgate, Hawkhurst, Kent.

School with 22 pupils run by George Hopkins, School Master & Bank Manager.

Thomas Willsher, 9, born Ticehurst, Sussex, Pupil
Henry S Willsher, 10, born Etchingham, Sussex, Pupil

It does not say if these two boys are related - but they probably were.

Hope that helps

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 17 January 06 09:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Helen

Whilst looking for a VERRALL query for Mnmilt, I came across this in the High Street of Hastings.

HO107/ 1107/ 4 - High Street, Hastings Old Town, Sussex

WILLSHER David, 30, Draper
................  Charlotte E, 30

PETIT Clara, 2
CROUCH Caleb, 20, Draper
WOOLVEN John, 15, Draper
PATTENDEN Sarah, 15, Servant

Hope it helps your research

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 17 January 06 09:21 GMT (UK)
Helen

Spotted these in the Hasting Directories

1839 Pigots Directory.
WILLSHER David, Linen Draper (& Woolen) of 32 High Street, Hastings


(The 1832 Pigots Directory shows Matthew KELLAND as at No 32) - this gives a good indication of when they moved to High Street; which must be between 1832 and 39; but they are not listed in the 1836/7 Registered Electors list, but KELLAND is at Number 32 High Street - so it must now be between 1837 and 1839.

Hope you followed that

Chris in 1066

Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Helen13 on Wednesday 18 January 06 03:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

Many thanks for your last to replies. :D :D

Just to clarify that  the census for David and Charlotte WILLSHER is for 1841.

It is interesting that a Clara Petit aged 2 is with them.
I think that in 1860 she married David's Nephew John Noakes WILLSHER and in June 1839 a Joseph Petitt/e was a witness to David and Charlotte WILLSHER (Nee HART) wedding.

Just out of interest were there any other WILLSHERs in the Hastings area. I am missing a John, Elizabeth and George.

Many thanks to you I am slowly putting the tree together.

Helen
Title: Re: Willsher David and Charlotte
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 18 January 06 09:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Helen

I am happy to be able to help you.

Yes, it was the 1841 census

No, there are no more WILSHER surnames listed in or around Hastings in 1841

Chris in 1066