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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Sussex => England => Sussex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Helen13 on Friday 18 November 05 09:26 GMT (UK)
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Hi list
I am after any information on this couple. I think in 1839 David Willsher married Charlotte Elizabeth HART ? in Ticehurst. I think in 1851 census they are in Salehurst with a son Charles.
Could some kind person check out the 1851 census to see if this is correct.
David and Charlotte should be about 35 -37 years old in 1851 and David born in Hooe and Charlotte in Tunbridge Wells.
Because I have another Willsher branch ( Joseph b. about 1772 place unknown) in my family tree I would love to find out more information on David Willsher and if possible who his siblings/ parents might be. Is the 1841 census available? What church records do I need to check out?
Any information or help would be most appreciated.
Many thanks in advance
Helen
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From IGI extracted record...
David WILLSHER married Charlotte Elizabeth HART on 4th June 1839 at Ticehurst
I'm sure this is only confirming what you already know - good luck with the census stuff :)
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Hi Helen
1851 Census
HO107/ 1639/ Folio 298/ Page 59 - Hurst Green, Sussex
WILSHER David, Head, Marr, 37, Laded Proprietor, born Hooe, Sussex
............. Charlotte E, Wife, Marr, 37, born Tunbridge Wells
............. Charles F H, son, Unm, 7months, born Camberwell, Surrey
Will now see if I can find them in the 1841
Chris in 1066
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Hi again
Looked at the 1841 for Ticehurst and surrounding area, but although there are 4 seperate entries for Wilsher, nothing matches your criteria.
These are the entries
Wilsher Matilda, 7, at a private school under Ann Perigoe
Wilsher Thomas, 30, Farmer & Lucy, 30 together with 3 children and 4 servants
Wilsher Esther, 80, Independant with 2 servants
Wilsher Robert, 35, Farmer & Matilda, 35 with 4 children and 6 servants
Hope that lot above somehow helps you
Chris in 1066
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Hi there
Might be a clue to where David comes from here
Location: Ticehurst, East Sussex, Date: 4 Jun 1839:
Groom: David WILLSHER, bachelor, deaper Hastings - father deceased.
Bride: Charlotte Elizabeth HART, spinster of this parish
Witnessed by Jos.PETITTE & liza Jane HART.
Where this 'deaper Hastings' is, I have no idea, but will now look through the Hastings census to see if I can spot any clues
Chris in 1066
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Hi again
In 1861 census they are back in Ticehurst, but no son with them
HO107/ 570/ Folio 5/ Page 3 - Union Street, Ticehurst
David Willsher, 47, born Hooe, Sussex, Head - ...ing Officer ?
Charlotte C Willsher, 47, born Tonb Wells, Kent, Wife.
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Thank you for all your help. :)
It is interesting that in 1861 census their son is not at home.I am interested in him because he may in 1887 marry into my other Willsher line.
I know that Charles Fdk. H Willsher is alive in 1881 as he is on the census with his parents, David and Charlotte Willsher at 25 Vale Road, Tonbridge, Kent.
After that I can not trace him. He may marry in 1887 a Emma or Minnie but I have not been able to find him on the 1891 or 1901 census. :(
Once more a big thank you
Helen
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Hi again
The family was back together again in 1871
RG10/ 1046/ Folio 9/ Page 12 - Flimwell, Ticehurst
David Willsher, 58, born Hooe, Sussex, Head - Relieving Officer.
Charlotte E Willsher, 58, born Tunbridge Wells, Kent, Wife.
Charles F H Willsher, 20, born Camberwell, Middlesex, Son - Clerk.
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris :D
Now that I have reviewed the information that you most kindly sent, I think that some of the 1841 Census WILSHER families in Ticehurst belong to the family I am searching for.
Can you inform me if you have access to the 1841 Census or if it is available?
I am very interested in Thomas and Lucy WILSHER and their 3 children. I am hoping that this is my family and that one child is called John (born about 1836). All will be born in Sussex. :)
Anyway, many thanks for the help you have given me and the time you have spent.
Helen
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Hi Helen,
From the Sussex Marriage Index, here is the marriage of Thomas & Lucy by licence. First the licence then the actual marriage 3 days later.
Archdeaconry of Lewes Marriage Licence, 29 Dec 1834:
Thomas WILLSHER, Ticehurst
Lucy NOAKES, Mayfield
Extra Information: SRS 26 (Mayfield Church)
Mayfield, East Sussex, 1 Jan 1835:
Thomas WILLSHER, Ticehurst (lic)
Lucy NOAKES, otp.
Checking the LDS IG Index, children attributed to a Thomas & Lucy WILLSHER,
John Noakes WILTSHIRE, cr. 15/11/1835, Ticehurst. I think that's your man!
There are two more entries but I don't think they are yours as they seem a bit late,
Robert Willsher cr. 6/6/1850, Etchingham, Sussex
Isabel Willsher cr. 26/8/1854, Etchingham.
If someone can do a look-up for 1841 in Ticehurst you'll probably find a few more children,
Jane
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Hi Jane
Many thanks for the information. :D
All the children I think belong to Thomas and Lucy Willsher.
To confirm it I need to see the 1841 /1851 census. In 1841 I think they are in Ticehurst and in 1851 in Salehurst. Thomas is a widower in 1881 census.
I have not yet traced this family any further but we now do so.
Once again
Many thanks
Helen
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Hi Helen
No sooner said than done
1841 census for Ticehurst
HO107/ 1109/ 8 - Gibsread, Ticehurst
WILLSHER Thomas, 30, Farmer
................ Lucy, 30
................ John Noakes, 5
................ Ann Elizabeth, 4
................ Allen, 1
plus two male and two female servants
All the above born in Sussex
Hope that helps
Chris in 1066
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Helen
No, sorry - not in Salehurst, this particular family are still nearby in 1851
HO107/ 1639/ Folio 49/ Page 15 - Hutchings, Burwash, Sussex
WILLSHER Thomas, Head, Marr, 40, Farmer or 184acres, employs 14, bone Hooe
................ Lucy, Wife, Marr, 38, born Mayfield
................ John N, Son, Unm, 15, Farmers Son, born Ticehurst
................ Walter, Son,Unm, 3, At Home, born Burwash
................ Robert, Son,Unm, 11months, At Home, born Burwash
Hope that all fits in
Chris in 1066
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Hi Helen
Still around in 1861, but moved to a bigger farm
RG9/ 568/ Folio 158/ Page 10 - New House, Ninfield, Sussex
Thomas Willsher, 52, born Hooe, Sussex, Head - Farmer of 362 Acres, employs 8 Men
Lucy Willsher, 51, born Mayfield, Sussex, Wife.
Thomas Willsher, 19, born Ticehurst, Sussex, Son
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Many thanks for the information that you sent so fast.
I now have children that I did not have before.
Just to clarify on the 1861 census that Thomas age 19 is the son of Lucy and Thomas (senior) Willsher.
I was expecting to see a daughter Isabel born about 1854. I will have to recheck my notes.
Thank you very much for all the help.
Helen
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Hi Helen
Family are back together again in 1871
RG10/ 1025/ Folio 36/ Page 11 - Hayes Farm, Beckley, Sussex
Thomas Willsher,62, born Hooe, Sussex, Head - Farmer of 325 Acres.
Lucy Willsher, 60, born Mayfield, Sussex, Wife
Walter Willsher, 23, born Burwash, Sussex, Son
Robert Willsher, 20, born Burwash, Sussex, Son
Isabel Willsher, 16, born Burwash, Sussex, Daughter
plus 2 servants
Chris in 1066
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Hi Helen
Just to clarify on the 1861 census that Thomas age 19 is the son of Lucy and Thomas (senior) Willsher
Yes, sorry, I missed that bit out - he is described as Son.
I was expecting to see a daughter Isabel born about 1854. I will have to recheck my notes.
Went back and had another look - NO, she is not at home, but I found her here; It looks as though she is getting some private education?
RG9/ 564/ Folio 64/ Page 13 - Vine Hall, Whatlington, Sussex
Eliza Simes, 38, born East Peckham, Kent, Head
Sarah Simes, 8, born Whatlington, Sussex, Daughter
Mary Simes, 7, born Whatlington, Sussex, Daughter
Bertha Simes, 5, born Whatlington, Sussex, Daughter
Anna M Kennett, 22, born Rye, Sussex, Private Governess
Isabel Willsher, 6, born Burwash, Sussex, Pupil
Lucy Jempson, 12, born Whatlington, Sussex, Servant.
Hope that helps to sort things out
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Once again many thanks.
I know that Thomas Willsher is at Hayes farm in 1881 census with Robert and Isabel.
Is it possible to check if any of the family are still there on the 1891 census?
Thank you very much for your help and I now can try to piece together this family branch.
A grateful and big thanks
from Helen
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Hi again
I can only find Thomas Junior on the 1891 with wife Mary and Children in Salehurst, Sussex.
Do you have this information? If not, will post it for you.
Chris in 166
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Hi Chris
I would like Thomas (Junior) WILLSHER (born 1842) in 1891 in Salehurst with his wife Mary please as I did not know he existed until you kindly found him for me in 1861 census.
:)
The only information that I have on Thomas WILLSHER (born 1842) is as followed:
Census 1861 and 1881
That in 1868 he married Mary Matilda BOURNE(Born 1846 in Brede) in Rye district - from FREE BDM
That he query died in 1906 in Ticehurst aged 64.
If you trace him on any other census I would be most appreciative.
Once again many thanks for finding a missing link.
Helen
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Helen
No sooner said than done - 1891 census
RG12/ 779/ Folio 29/ Page 8 - Squibbs Farm, Salehurst
Willsher, Thomas, 49, born Ticehurst, Sussex, Head - Farmer
Willsher, Mary M, 44, born Brede, Sussex, Wife.
Willsher, Frank T, 21, born Salehurst, Sussex, Farmers Son.
Willsher, Robert J, 19, born Salehurst, Sussex, Son - Millers Assistant
Willsher, Horace W, 17, born Salehurst, Sussex, Son - Drapers Assistant.
Willsher, Alice M, 12, born Salehurst, Sussex, Daughter
Chris in 1066
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Helen,
Do you have this one in Hurst Green, Salehurst, Sussex 1851
David Willsher, Head, Marr,37, Landed proprietor, bor Hooe
Charlotte E Wilsher, Wi, Marr, 37, born Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Charles F H Willsher, Son, Unm, 7 months, born Camberwell, Surry
At the moment I can not spot your John junior on the 1871 census
Chris in 1066
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Helen
1901 Census; RG13/ 893/ Folio 30/ Page 8 - Squibbs Farm, Salehurst.
Willsher, Thomas, 59, born Ticehurst, Sussex, Head - Farmer
Willsher, Mary M, 54, born Brede, Sussex, Wife.
Willsher, Frank T, 31, born Salehurst, Sussex, Farmers Son.
Willsher, Horace W, 27, born Salehurst, Sussex, Son - Farmer
Willsher, Alice M, 22, born Salehurst, Sussex, Daughter
Chris in 1066
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Helen
And finally the 1871 census
RG10/ 1047/ Folio 31/ Page 2 - Squibbs Farm, Salehurst
Frank Thos Wilshere, 1, born Salehurst, Sussex, Son.
Mary Matilda Wilshere, 24, born Brede, Sussex, Wife
Thomas Wilshere, 29, born Penhurst, Sussex, Head - Farmer of 110 acres employs 4 men & 2 boys
A newly married couple with their first child - didnt move about much in later life did they?
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Thank you for all your hard work. :D :D
You have given Thomas WILLSHER (born 1842) on the census from 1861,1871,1891 and 1901. He was an extra child and now you have given another child Frank. I am sure that he is not at home is 1881 and Hugh is home in 1881.
I will have to check further.
As Thomas ( junior) is not at home in 1851 census with Thomas (Senior) and Lucy WILLSHER, do you think that I am correct in assuming that at age 9 he was away a school?
I am going to finish now. Many thanks for all the help with the WILLSHER name.
Helen
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Hi Ellen
Yes, you are right, he was away at school.
HO107/ 1619/ Folio 338/ Page 5 - Highgate, Hawkhurst, Kent.
School with 22 pupils run by George Hopkins, School Master & Bank Manager.
Thomas Willsher, 9, born Ticehurst, Sussex, Pupil
Henry S Willsher, 10, born Etchingham, Sussex, Pupil
It does not say if these two boys are related - but they probably were.
Hope that helps
Chris in 1066
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Hi Helen
Whilst looking for a VERRALL query for Mnmilt, I came across this in the High Street of Hastings.
HO107/ 1107/ 4 - High Street, Hastings Old Town, Sussex
WILLSHER David, 30, Draper
................ Charlotte E, 30
PETIT Clara, 2
CROUCH Caleb, 20, Draper
WOOLVEN John, 15, Draper
PATTENDEN Sarah, 15, Servant
Hope it helps your research
Chris in 1066
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Helen
Spotted these in the Hasting Directories
1839 Pigots Directory.
WILLSHER David, Linen Draper (& Woolen) of 32 High Street, Hastings
(The 1832 Pigots Directory shows Matthew KELLAND as at No 32) - this gives a good indication of when they moved to High Street; which must be between 1832 and 39; but they are not listed in the 1836/7 Registered Electors list, but KELLAND is at Number 32 High Street - so it must now be between 1837 and 1839.
Hope you followed that
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris
Many thanks for your last to replies. :D :D
Just to clarify that the census for David and Charlotte WILLSHER is for 1841.
It is interesting that a Clara Petit aged 2 is with them.
I think that in 1860 she married David's Nephew John Noakes WILLSHER and in June 1839 a Joseph Petitt/e was a witness to David and Charlotte WILLSHER (Nee HART) wedding.
Just out of interest were there any other WILLSHERs in the Hastings area. I am missing a John, Elizabeth and George.
Many thanks to you I am slowly putting the tree together.
Helen
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Hi Helen
I am happy to be able to help you.
Yes, it was the 1841 census
No, there are no more WILSHER surnames listed in or around Hastings in 1841
Chris in 1066