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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Roscommon => Topic started by: smcalpine on Friday 18 November 05 13:39 GMT (UK)
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Anyone know anything about Ann Morris who married Joseph Hamstead [ born Truro in Cornwall?]
She was born in Castlerea Co Roscommon in the 1820s.
For some reason, Ann and Joseph changed their name to Escott at one stage in their lives then changed back again to Hamstead.
All information gladly received !!!!
Sue McAlpine Horner
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Hello Sue
What denomination were Ann and Joseph? Were they members of the Catholic faith, the Established Church (Anglicans or Church of Ireland), Methodists or Presbyterians?
You may have to rely on Church records as civil registration in Ireland was not introduced until 1864. Non Catholic marriages were registered from 1845 onwards. When registration for BDMS started in 1864 some people didn't bother with the registration for a few years after that date. Keep your fingers crossed that church records still exist.
If you've made no progress to date and you've not done so already a letter to the Editor of the Roscommon Herald might produce a result. Family history queries are occasionally published in local newspapers. www.roscommonherald.ie/general/contact.asp
Christopher
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I'm also researching Joseph HAMSTEAD and Ann MORRIS / MORRIES and like you, am stuck at this point but I have no evidence of their temporary change of name. Did you get any further? Can we swap any notes so far?
All I've got is:
1861 CENSUS [Rotherham, S. Yorkshire]
Joseph HAMSTEAD FAMILY: 38, Orchard Yard, Rotherham [Folio R9/3506/F?]
Joseph: Head 32y Labourer at Iron Works. b.1829, Philley, Cornwall
Ann : Wife 30 b.1831, Ireland
Elizabeth Dau 9 b.1852 Ashton Under Lyne, Lancs
Peter Son 8 b.1853 Ashton Under Lyne, Lancs
Mary Dau 6 b.1855 Ashton Under Lyne, Lancs
Ann Dau 4 b.1857 Rotherham, Yorkshire
Thomas Son 10m b.1860 Rotherham, Yorkshire
Ann KELLEY 17 Boarder. works at factory. b. 1844 Ireland
Trevor
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Welcome to Rootschat. Sue hasn't been online since April 2009 but perhaps she'll soon see your message and get in touch. You need to make 3 posts to use PM (personal message) system but I'll send her a PM asking her to check this thread again.
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Many thanks.
Trevor
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Hi Tevor!
I would be happy to share what I have with you - I have the Hamstead/Escott line back to the 1500s and some info about Annie Morris parents but as yet, no reason for the name change.
Joseph/Annie were my great, great, great grandparents. What relationship were they to you? I have a photo of them I can pass on but am at work at moment so will need to wait till I get home
Sue
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Hi Sue,
The HAMSTEADs are my wife's ancestors. Her line is *** grandmother Florence HAMSTEAD 1889; Gt. Gf Peter HAMSTEAD 1853; 2x Gt Gf JoSeph HAMSTEAD 1829.
I have very few photos as my wife's father, John DRIVER, was brought up by relatives when his mother died shortly after childbirth. I have no photos or artefacts on any HAMSTEAD or GUEST.
I can send you a DRIVER - GUEST - HAMSTEAD tree or Family History but don't know how to do so using this site. My e-mail address is (*) if you wish to correspond directly.
I have loads of information on my main interest - the RUSHBYs - if you can make a connection.
Trevor
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my father's great great grandfather was Joseph Hamstead of Rptherham, his great grandfather was Peter Hamstead and his father was George. My Dad, Peter Murray, died last July in Maryland, USA, I know very little about the family history
Trevor, I think that Florence might have been George's sister
I also know that Joseph Hamstead was originally Joseph Escott from Cornwall
I hope tp hear from one of you
Jane
please
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Hi Jane - great to hear from you. I now have Hamstead / Escott history back to the 1500 and another branch along that line to the 1400s that I will be happy to share.
I am at work at the moment so can't attach the photo I have of Joseph Hamstead/Annie Morris but will do so when I get home
Sue
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great to hear from you
I am very excited about this, I talked to a third cousin last week, I didnt know he existed and he told me about Joseph and Ann, we are both descended from Peter, their son, I cannot wait to hear from you, I am also at work, but I am in the US
thajnks
jane
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Hi Sue,
See my 1 Dec 2009 posting. I'm still stuck at Ann Morris & Joseph Hamstead of Truro stage.
I'm not yet able to use the Personal Message system so can't provided you with any detailed information about recent bits of my wife's HAMSTEAD heritage. What evidence do you have for the change of name and how do I get hold of the tree that you mentioned going back to 1500?
I shall be happy to let you have any of the more recent data including photos.
Trevor
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hello,
I have been researching the Hamstead family tree for many years. My GG grandfather was Joseph Escott born in treworthal in cornwall about 1828. The family story is that he joined the army and was posted to Ireland. In 1850 he married Anne Morris in Ireland. At some point after the marriage he was said to have deserted from the army and made his way over to England with his wife and possibly one or two children we think via Liverpool, Ashton under Lyne and making their way down to parkgate in Rotherham where they settled, finding work in the Steel Works. Several
children continued to be registered as Escots but in 1866 I found a daughter Eliza registered as hampstead, although they were all Hampstead in the census returns from 1861 onwards. Hope this helps
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Jane,
Peter Murray was my father's cousin, his mother Annie and my grandfather were brother and sister, my father talked about the time before he went to America many years ago when I first started to ask about the family history. If I can help with more information please let me know
Linda
ps I am very new to this posting on line but had to reply when I saw your message
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to Molten Lava
I am in between classes right now, so i will respond more later
I think this means that your grandfather must be Peter or William Hamstead?
I thought my Dad had no family except his mum, do you live in Rotherham
I am in New York State and I am planning to visit Rotherham in the summer, my brothers and I grew up in Abingdon
i am so excited at finding family but sad because it is too late for my dad
I would love more information and wish there was someway I can contact you more directly
Thanks
jane
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Hi Jane,
My grandfather was William as was my father. I would like to talk to you more directly but not sure how to do that yet. I have a photograph of my great grandfather George with I think your father aged about 15. Look forward to hearing more from you
Linda
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Hi Linda
this is wonderful
I do not know how do to a personal message, can you give me some hints for name and place etc and I can look you up?
it says after 3 posts we should be able to send personal messages
Hi Sue, if you see this can you give me info on how to get in touch with Linda
thanks
Jane
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To send a personal message to Linda - click on her user name then scroll down the page and click on send this rootchatter a personal message. Please feel free to give Linda my e-mail in your personal message to we can get the Hamstead 'hub' growing :-)
Sue
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Hello Hampsteads / Hamsteads,
I'd love to exchange information, though I understand I need to make 3 postings on here before I can do a personal message. I am a Hampstead descended from Thomas Hampstead, son of Joseph Escott/Arscott/Hamstead and Ann Morris , and my grandparents were born in Rotherham before moving down south (though I know of at least one person with Hampstead blood still living in Rotherham). One of my family visited Cornwall this year and went to Philleigh where Joseph was born and took some photos - it's a tiny pretty village, literally a pub (it's a few hundred years old so some Hampsteads must have been in there) , 4/5 small cottages, a church and a manor house - so you can narrow down to about 5 houses where the Escotts/Arscotts lived for a couple of hundred years. (Madonna's rumoured to be buying a house on the Roseland peninsula where Philleigh is situated and which is meant to be very picturesque.) Would be delighted to share any info - I have a photo of Joseph and Ann and more recent Hampsteads.
Kind Regards,
Blenheim27
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I've only done internet research myself, and not physically looked at the Philleigh parish records though I've spoken to someone who has (apparently the early ones are missing) but when I was first looking at the Escott/Arscotts and Philleigh, I found this website quite interesting http://richardswhanau.homestead.com/Philleigh.html
Regards,
Blenheim27
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Jane,
If you're visiting Rotherham you may be interested in this lady's recollections of the place, she's also descended from Thomas Hampstead, a son of Joseph & Maria and mentions them in her article (it was actually spotting a posting by her on the internet that I learnt about the Escott/Arscott/Hampstead name change). I think she told me Thomas put the 'p' in Hampstead, but other branches stayed as Hamstead. And apparently there is a Rotherham churchyard with some Hampsteads in.
http://www.rotherhamunofficial.co.uk/villages/parkgate/parkgaterecollections.html
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Hello there - I'm the 'lady' of the article - Thomas and Maria Hampstead were my Grt Grandparents - ( there is a mistake I think in the article).iam their eldest Grandchild. My Grandmother was Mary Ann Hampstead.b. 1889. She had brothers Thomas, William, George, (was killed aged 16 by loco train - mean to visit his grave soon as there maybe problems re local council) Joseph and also a sister Gladys. I believe Thomas and Maria had a first son also William who died. Wondering if you are the Grandson of Uncle Joe and Aunt Polly? Or are you descended from William - have yet to track him down believe he lived in Surrey?? Can't give you my personal email here - think I have to send 3 emails even though I have sent more on other Roots Chats.
Regards Patricia
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Can't give you my personal email here - think I have to send 3 emails even though I have sent more on other Roots Chats.
As long as each party has at least 2/3 posts then they can use PM (personal message) system.
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Hi,
I am a great great granddaughter of Ann Morris and Joseph Hampstead. I too have experienced problems in their research due to the change of name. I have copies of their death certificates and details of their burials. I would like to hear from any of you on this thread to exchange information.
Regards
Maxine
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Hi Maxine
which of Joseph and Ann's children are you descended from?
are you related to Thomas Hampstead, since you have put a p in the last name?
Jane
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Hi Jane,
Thank you for your reply.
I am the Great Granddaughter of Eliza Hampstead who was a sister to Thomas.
On Elizas' birth and death certificates Hampstead has a p in it. On her daughters birth certificate (my grandmother) the surname is missing the p. On the death certificates of Joseph and Ann it is also spelt without the p, perhaps this was due to the fact that in those days many didn't know how to spell.
Any information I have on the family I am willing to share with you.
Regards
Maxine
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to Molten Lava
I am in between classes right now, so i will respond more later
I think this means that your grandfather must be Peter or William Hamstead?
I thought my Dad had no family except his mum, do you live in Rotherham
I am in New York State and I am planning to visit Rotherham in the summer, my brothers and I grew up in Abingdon
i am so excited at finding family but sad because it is too late for my dad
I would love more information and wish there was someway I can contact you more directly
Thanks
jane
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Hi Jane, I hope this gets to you as to you as this post is old. My GGG grandparents are Joseph and Ann Heamstead, their daughter Mary is my GG grandma. I hope i can exchange information with you. Hope to hear from you soon
Best Wishes
Chris
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Hello. I know this is an old discussion, but I have only just found it. I am also a direct descendent of Joseph and Ann via their son John and his son William. As far as I know, and the evidence, Joseph married as Escott in Kilkeevin church whilst a soldier in the 14th regiment, also know as the Buckinghamshire. This was in 1850 whilst stationed at Castlereagh barracks. There is an indication that part of the 14th was stationed with the 17th regiment that left for India in 1851 and that might have been the catalyst for Joseph and his wife and in-laws to leave for England and take the name Ham(p)stead. Eventually they all settled in Rawmarsh, Rotherham. Eventually my grandfather, William, left Rawmarsh to work in the Kent coalfields but, unfortunately, left with someone else's wife. I have no idea what happened to his wife but heard she may have gone to Canada with their two sons but this might not be true. If anyone knows anything about this, it would be good to know. Thanks.
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Hello
I have only just come across this site and information. I am descended from Ann Morris and Joseph Hamstead, through their daughter Elizabeth, who married Michael Logan, they had daughter Ann Logan, who married Charles Ainscough, their daughter Ruth was my grandma.
Any info would be gratefully received
Alison