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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: pollyd on Saturday 26 November 05 20:50 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I have come to the proverbial brick wall and wonder if there is anyone who would be willing to help me? I have a Walter Wheller ch 1797 who married twice firstly to unknown and Secondly to a Ruth Sweet in 26 Dec 1822.
Walter had a daughter called Martha (ch 30 May 1824 Huish Episcopi) who married Henry Thorne 15 Mar 1869 at Huish Episcopi .
Martha had quite a few illigitimate children before she married Henry Thorne. One being a Ruth Wheller born 1840 Huish Episcopi, I would like to find out who the others were. Also who was William Wheller born 1851? Was he Martha's brother?
The same names seem to appear through the Centuries, Walter, William and Athaliah. I have two Athaliah Whellers one ch 8 Jul 1828 and another born 30 Jul 1820, can anyone confirm who their parents where? Regards Polly
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Hi Pollyd,
Right I have found Walter and Ruth on the 1841 but its a bit confusing as there are 2 children called Winifred?? The entry covered 2 pages so can only think ther enumerater got confused. But the 1841 doesn't give relationships so the other one could be a relative.
Walter Wheeler 40 Miller y
Ruth Wheeler 35 y
Winifred " 9 y
Winifred " 6 y
Anna " 4 y
William " 1 y
living in Huish Episcopi, Somerset.
There was no baby Ruth born 1840?? on the 1841
In 1851 Walter was a widow and daughter Martha living with him
Walter Weller 53 head b. Huish Episopi
Martha " 26 dau b. Petney/Pitney
William " 12 son b. Petney/Pitney
James " 8 son b. Huish Episcopi
Mary " 8 gdau b. Huish Episcopi
Lodney/Sidney 5 gson b. " "
Norbert/ Mabel 1mt gdau b. " "
Again living in Huish Episcopi.
Having trouble finding any of them in 1861 but will keep looking will post this for now.
Hope this helps to sort them out somebit.
Angela
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Badly transcribed in 1861 index, but the image says Weller:
RG9/1630/23/13 - Huish Epicopi
Walter Weller Head Wid 65 Mille b. Huish
Martha Weller Dau Unm 37 Housekeeper b. Pitney
William Weller Son Unm 20 Miller b. Huish
Mary Weller G Dau Unm 18 Dressmaker b. Huish
Sidney J Weller G Son Unm 16 Ag Lab b. Huish
Winford Crossman G Son 5 b. Curry Mallet
Herbert W Weller G Son 1 b. Huish
Rambler
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Athaliah Wheller m. George Crossman, Jun Q 1846. (Langport 10 691)
Their name is transcribed as Crosman, Crossman and Cropman. (Old-fashioned "ss" looks like "p".) Do you need census entries for their family?
Wheller family in 1871:
RG10/2397/7/5 - Huish Episcopi
William Wheller Head 32 Miller b. Huish Episcopi
Fanny Wheller Wife 32 Miller's Wife b. Shapwick
Alfred E Wheller Son 1 b. Huish Episcopi
Walter Wheller Father 73 Miller b. Huish Episcopi
Herbert Wheller Nephew 10 b. Huish Episcopi
Rambler
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Hi Pollyd,
There are three 'Sweet' marriages in Pitney between 26/12/1822 and 03/05/1823, Ruth Sweet's marriage to Walter Wheller being the first. The last was Samuel Sweet's marriage to Mary Ann Petty. I am assuming that these three Sweets are related. I am descended from Samuel. My question therefore is: Have you found any information on the parents of Ruth Sweet?
Thanks.
Regards,
Grahame.
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A Wheeler family lived inPontypridd area in the late 1800's - early 1900's .
A Winifred Wheeler has a connection to my family somewhere.
Dave Boyce
Boycefamilytree
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Hi, My relative Martha Wheller married Henry Thorne in 1869 when she was 45. She died 1872.
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Re the two Winfords, one was Ruths son born 1832 and the other was Ruths grandson born 1845 to daughter Martha. The Ruth born 1840 died 1843. After the older Ruth died, Walter lived with daughter Martha. After Martha married Henry Thorne, Walter lived with son William and his family.
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I don't know if this will help you but you could get in touch with Valerie Sweet through Weston FHS & see if she is researching her name in that parish - it's only a long shot but may pay off
All the very best
Phil
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Re Ruth Sweet's parents. I believe they are John Sweet born 1761 and Charlotte Vigar born 1770.
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Hi ms8008y,
When Ruth Sweet married Walter Wheller on 26 December 1822 she was under-aged and needed her parent's consent to marry. She was therefore born between 1801 and 1804. Charlotte Vigar died in childbirth in 1796 and so cannot possibly be the mother of Ruth.
John Sweet remarried in 1800 to Ruth Chard (the widow of Anthony Chard and Charlotte Vigar's sister). BTW John's first wife Elizabeth Vigar was Charlotte and Ruth's first cousin. Under the law at the time such a marriage (to a dead wife's sister) was voidable under ecclesiatical law. I believe that this is why the marriage took place in Bristol - being the nearest place to Pitney that was not in the same diocese, thereby making a challenge difficult. The evidence that this marriage is of John Sweet and Ruth Chard of Pitney, and not just a coincidence of names, is in the Pitney manorial rent records of 1801 where Ruth's holding (inherited from Anthony Chard) is transferred into the name of John Sweet.
John Sweet died in 1830 and was survived by Ruth. In the 1841 census she can be found living with her son George Chard. She died in 1841.
I hope this is helpful.
Regards,
Grahame.
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Hi Grahame
It looks like you have researched the Chards of Pitney. I wonder if you have come across the Joseph Chard baptised there in 1752, described as a bastard and no parent's mentioned? There was also a Samuel in 1749 with the same (lack of) details.
One of my ancestors is a Joseph Chard. He first appears when he married Anne Lovibond of Othery in 1777. They lived at Ilton for several years and then back at Othery. Their sons were called Samuel and Joseph. There was another prominent Chard family in Othery who were a branch of the Pitney family. So I suspect my Joseph could be the bastard from Pitney but have no evidence. Any ideas?
Thanks
David
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Another thought
Have you tried looking at Ian Sage's web site as it has links to all the free parish register records in Somerset - just type Ian Sage into google & when you get to his home page click on parish registers Good hunting
All the very best
Phil
Weston-super-Mare
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Hi Grahame
I was interested to read your comment about John Sweet marrying Ruth Chard. I can't find the marriage you refer to do you know the exact date the church it occurred? I am in Australia so just can't pop into local offices to check records.
Regards Susan
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I am searching this line, of Whellers & Sweet in Somerset. I have traced line to 1700's.
Regards Trish