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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Topic started by: john ashley on Wednesday 30 November 05 11:52 GMT (UK)
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Hello - my cousins in USA say a family story indicates that we had gypsy connections - one of our ancestors was Elizabeth Roberts born 1785 who lived in Denbighshire - was she related to John Roberts born 1814 - the famous Royal Welsh Harpist - he married the grand daughter of Abraham Wood - the founder of the gypsy dynasty - does anyone know of the existence of a family tree which might answer the question ? I would be most grateful. John Ashley
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Hi,
go to the Anglesey Site there a posting there (Abram Wood Welsh Gypsies) By Sue Wood Griffiths it might help you .i relpied to it because someone in my family said my g grandfather John Roberts was related to the Wood Roberts gypsies but i think it was wishful thinking
Regards Mrs Griff
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Hello Mrs Grif - many thanks for your prompt reply - I also may be chasing my tail - I will be following your suggestion - perseverance is the name of the game - your comments much appreciated - John Ashley
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Hello - my cousins in USA say a family story indicates that we had gypsy connections - one of our ancestors was Elizabeth Roberts born 1785 who lived in Denbighshire - was she related to John Roberts born 1814 - the famous Royal Welsh Harpist - he married the grand daughter of Abraham Wood - the founder of the gypsy dynasty - does anyone know of the existence of a family tree which might answer the question ? I would be most grateful. John Ashley
Hi John , As fate would have it Iam the grt grt Grandson Of John Roberts (Telynor Cymru) If you are still about send me a pm and i will see what i can do for you.
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Hello Salmon - I prepared a personal message but I am not certain that it was correctly sent - please advise if it has not been received - Thanks - John Ashley.
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Hello John Ashley, I hope you do not mind me contacting you. My husband Ted and myself Helen Davies are looking up my husband family tree. We know very little about his mother's ancestry apart from the fact that his mother Esther Florence R Baker was brought up by her maternal grandparents. The only name we have at the moment is Roberts. My husband also remembers a Maldwyn and a connection to John Roberts the Royal Welsh Harpist. We have however got a birth date of 1816 (from the National Library of Wales). They have information their about John Roberts and states he is the father of Maldwyn Roberts. I was wondering if you found out what your connection to John Roberts is because there could be a link between you and my husband. I look forward to hearing back from you. Thanks- Helen Davies
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Hello Helen and Ted - just to say I have your post - I have discovered a gypsy connection in my very distant family - but whilst it includes a John Roberts there is no connection yet to John Roberts - the Royal Welsh harpist. However I have some notes but no mention of Maldwyn but a connection to Nansi Richards - Telynores Maldwyn - telynores is welsh for harpist - but perhaps your welsh is better than mine.
You will find John Roberts on the 1881 census as 64 years birthplace - Denbigh together with his family at Newtown Montgomeryshire. Ellinor - his wife is descended from Abraham Wood - the well known gypsy. You should also visit www.gtj.org.uk/en/item10/17628 for more useful information. Regards John Ashley.
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Hi John Ashley Sorry for the long delay in replying but I do not know where the time goes. Thank you very much for the leads on John Roberts the Royal Welsh Harpest. We have looked him up and he does seem to be a very busy man. Anyway one of his daughters Sarah Roberts married a Thomas Davies who was a one legged carpenter and they had a daughter Annie. The long and the short of it being that Annie was my husbands grandmother so we have made the family link. Thank you for your help. Lots of love Helen Davies x :D
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I have the family tree of Abra[ha]m Woods because I am a descendant of that line. The tree I have was made by my father's uncle and is not available online. On this map, my family line shows up in red as the same line as yours --which is why I have just registered on this site to reply to you.
John Roberts, born 1816 [*not 1814* as per your post] (died 11.5.1894) married Eleanor Wood who gave birth to Reuben France Roberts. He married Ellen Wood and then Mary Lizzie Griffths who gave birth to many other children.
I will gratefully share and compare our family trees with you.
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Hi thank you for your message it was great to hear from you. It would be great to compare family trees with you but it may be a while as my husband is recovering from a broken hip so things are pretty manic at the moment. Reuben France Roberts If my records are right was twin brother with James England and his union with Ellen Wood and Mary Lizzie Griffiths produced fourteen children. I look forward to hearing from you. :)
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Have you come across this site?
http://www.valleystream.co.uk/romany-roberts-2.htm
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Hi, If you are still looking and interested, I'm John Roberts g.g.g.grandson and have inherited his name but not a lot else when it comes to music. Let me know if you want more detail re the family and how the wood/roberts family came to be
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Hello John Ashley, I hope you do not mind me contacting you. My husband Ted and myself Helen Davies are looking up my husband family tree. We know very little about his mother's ancestry apart from the fact that his mother Esther Florence R Baker was brought up by her maternal grandparents. The only name we have at the moment is Roberts. My husband also remembers a Maldwyn and a connection to John Roberts the Royal Welsh Harpist. We have however got a birth date of 1816 (from the National Library of Wales). They have information their about John Roberts and states he is the father of Maldwyn Roberts. I was wondering if you found out what your connection to John Roberts is because there could be a link between you and my husband. I look forward to hearing back from you. Thanks- Helen Davies
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I am researching my ancestors and just found out today that one of my possible ancestors Eliza Davies married John Lewis Roberts in 1900 in Radnorshire. I am seeking more information on Eliza's side of the family e.g., siblings, etc and their children.
Eliza's parents Thomas and Esther Davies appear in the 1911 Census as having a grandchild with them by the name of Esther Baker. (Esther Baker is listed as being born in London)
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Hi, not sure if anyone can help me, but i am also trying to establish a link to Abram Wood.
My father-in-laws grandmother was Ellen Wood (elinor) who married Thomas Roberts LLandwrog.
Ellen was the daughter of Thomas Wood Rhydygro Llanefryl.
i am having a problem linking this to Abrams tree. I have recently found the following, Ellen's father was Thomas bn 1803 Pentrych. His father was Thomas (bn 1761) married to Jaun/Jane Bebb. His father was Abram born 1722
married Mary Powel, and his father was Edward Wood married to Elizabeth Evans.
Does anyone know if this fits in anywhere, as the family has always maintained the link.
thanks
Sue
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Hi would anyone have any info on the Edwards family that was connected to the woods thanks!