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Hello List,
Would someone please be able to look up a birth for my James North b in 1822 in Britford? Would love to know parents' names, birth date and any other siblings. Thanks
Cheers
Karenn
from down under ::)
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Hi Karenn,
I found a baptism for 25 Nov 1821 James son of William and Jane North, Britford, Carpenter
Other children's baptisms in Britford to William and Jane as follows:
4 Jul 1813 Samuel
12 Dec 1819 Seth
8 Feb 1823 Robert
15 Oct 1826 Thomas
I could not find a marriage for William and Jane North in Britford.
There was also another William and Jane North initially of East Harnham (a wheelwright) and later Britford, also producing children with the same names but no James.
Cheers Dave
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Hello Dave,
Thanks for looking it up for me. But now I'm in a delmar! There is a William in the 1841 census of Britford. He is 45 years old and a Wheelwright. With him was his wife, Harriet aged 40, sons George aged 20, a sawyer journeyman, James aged 15, an agricultural labouer, Thomas aged 13 and daughters Maria aged 20, Mary aged 9 and Harriet aged 5. Could this be the other family you spoke of?
My James became a miller then a publican, so his profession doesn't follow either alternative (carpenter or wheelwright). James married Charlotte Sophia NORTH, yes her maiden name was the same, in the Dec quarter of 1848 in Amesbury, Wiltshire. I did order an Amesbury film from the LDS but it wasn't on here. I thought if I also found their marriage that it might give me the names of witnesses who might be family.
If you have access to Amesbury, could you please look up the marriage for me? If it ties in one the children then we will know which family he belongs too.
Thank you for any assistance you can give. ;D
Karenn
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Hi Karenn,
I didn't make a note of the Wheelwright William's family because I did not find a son James b abt 1822. His son as you say was born abt 1826. I can always look again if you wish.
Professions don't necessarily follow father to son particularly if there are lots of sons - not enough work I guess.
If you wish I'll look up the Amesbury marriage of James & Charlotte North in 1848, just let me know what you want. I only have occasional access to the Wiltshire Records as they are in another town. I usually visit the Record Office every 7 to 10 days, so let me know what you want. It's easier to look up a batch rather than bits and pieces.
Cheers Dave
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Hello Dave,
If you would look up their marriage for me, that would be a great help. Maybe I was on the wrong track with the other family.
James and Charlotte were in Laverstock in 1851 so I'll have to find out if the family you found were in Laverstock in 1841. If they were then you've probably found the right one!
All the censuses from 51 onwards seem to indicate that James and Charlotte didn't have any children , but if you come across any children that may have been born then died between 1848 and 51 that would also be useful.
Thanks for your assistance.
PS. I don't want to push my luck, but my BIG brickwall is a marriage between Lawrence NORTH and Mary unknown in about 1757. Their children, James and Ann were born in 1758 and 1763 in Woodford. I have looked through most of the available films in Woodford and found no marriage. So I guess the next step is look in the surrounding parishes. This is a big job and I don't expect you to do it, but when your looking up your own stuff, please just keep a look out for my Lawrence and Mary?
PPS. If you have any connections you want looked up in Australia, please let me know.
Thanks again
Karenn ;D
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Hi Karenn,
I'll give it a whirl. I put Woodford as a small village NW of Salisbury and some records go back to 1538. I'll have a look for you next week.
I do have some relatives in Australia a cousin in Melbourne and brother in law in Queensland. Also my 3rd grt grand aunt, Jane (sometimes referred to as Jenefer) Renfrey of Cornwall married Richard Hawke before emigating with their family to Oz on the Reliance, arriving Adelaide Sep 1851, so I guess there's a few there ;D
Cheers Dave
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Hello Dave,
Don't look in Woodford for James & Charlotte's marriage will you. The Free BDM says they married in Dec quarter of 1848 in Amesbury.
As for your lot, is there anything in particular you would like me to look up? Could find you a copy of the shipping record if you want.
Cheers
Karenn
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Hi Karenn,
I'll look in the Amesbury records.
Thanks for the offer. I think I have the shipping record, Richard Hawke and his wife Jane (or Jenefer) Renfrey arrived at Adelaide with their family on the Reliance in 1851 and settled in Kapunda, SA. There were 7 children. The oldest, Richard, died in 1851. Another son's line, James Renfrey Hawke, has been well documented elsewhere. I have no idea of the others. Could you please look up any children of the second son, William Hawke, b 8 Feb 1834 in Kea, Cornwall, and his wife, Jane Carter, also of Kea. He died 30 Jan 1884 at Willowie, SA and she 3 Sep 1911 at Prospect, SA.
I'll be in touch later in the week. Cheers Dave
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Hi Dave,
No problem. I will probably get to the library sometime next week. Talk soon.
Cheers
Karenn
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Hi Karenn,
Here I am again! Could find no North marriages 1750 to 58 in Woodford or the 7 parishes bordering it. Can look farther afield another time. However here are some baptisms for Woodford
Parents Lawrence and Mary North
James 15 Jul 1758
Ann 1 Apr 1763
Parents James and Mary North
Jane born 2 Apr 1782, bap 19 May 1782
James 14 Dec 1783
William 17 May 1787
John 25 Apr 1790
Ann 6 Mar 1804
No marriage found for James and Charlotte North in Amesbury parish 1848. Could have been Amesbury DISTRICT?
Baps of Children of William (Wheelwright) and Jane in Britford unless otherwise stated
Samuel Mar 1813 East Harnham
George 4 Jun 1815.........Buried 2 Jun 1816 age 15 mths
George 12 Oct 1817
Mary 15 May 1831......NO WIFE SHOWN
Burial Jane North 29 Jul 1829 W. Harnham age 42
Could find no marriage for William and Harriet - Children
Robert 7 Dec 1834 Harriet 27 Nov 1836
By 1841 children of both William and Jane North families were producing children
Hope this helps and clears up some points, cheers Dave
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Hi Dave,
You have been busy! I have the children of James & Mary and Lawrence and Mary, but thanks for the confirmation.
I looked up the marriage again on Free BDM for James and Charlotte North and it says that it's Vol 8 page 481 in Amesbury. It also gives this information on Amesbury:
Created 1st July 1837.
Sub-districts : Amesbury; Orcheston; Winterbourne.
GRO volumes : VIII (1837-51); 5a (1852-1930).
Allington, Amesbury, Boscombe, Bulford, Cholderton, Durnford, Durrington, Figheldean, Idmiston, Maddington, Milston, Newton Tony, Orcheston, Rollestone, Shrewton, Tilshead, Wilsford cum Lake, Winterbourne Dauntsey, Winterbourne Earls, Winterbourne Gunner, Winterbourne Stoke, Woodford.
Does this mean that the marriage could have taken place in Orcheston or Winterbourne?
Thank you so much for trying the surrounding villages for my missing marriage of Lawrence and Mary. I'm writing a book and I really would like to find them before I publish it in January 2006. So keep up the good work! But only if you have time.
Thanks again
Karenn :D
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Hi Karenn,
The 1848 marriage could have taken place in any Parish in the District, that is any one from Allington to Woodford! So they may have married in Woodford after all.
If I have time I'll look, but time is getting short 'cos in early September I disappear to warmer climes for 3 months ;D.
Cheers Dave
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Hi Dave,
Don't wait time in Woodford. I have looked through 2 Woodford films so I'm pretty certain their not there.
Thanks
Karenn :D
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Hi Dave,
I have some information about your SA clan.
William and Jane had 5 children in Kapunda:
Frederick Hawke b 28/2/1875 died 6/3/1875,
Maria Carter Hawke b 17/8/1876,
William b 4/3/1870 died 14/5/1870 10 weeks old,
William 6/5/1871,
Thomas 16/11/1873.
There are 2 families of Hawke's living in Kapunda. Another William who died 6/1/1913 aged 64. This William also had lots of children.
Thomas marired Elizabeth Maude JACKA when he was 32 and Elizabeth was 31 on 19/9/1906. Elizabeth's father's name was Philip and they were married at the residence of Mrs P Jack in GIL (not sure what this is short for)
William married Martha Stone on 3/4/1905. He was 33 and she was 31. Bride's father's name was Samuel Thomas Stone. They were married in the congregational church at HIN (not sure what this stands for). They had a son named Wiliam b 8/12/1905 at Bordertown.
Couldn't find a death or marriage for Maria Carter Hawke but did find a marriage for a Maria Jane Hawke aged 19. She married a Peter JARRETT on 21/9/1881 aged 21 in the district of NOR. Peter's father's name was Robert and Maria father's name was William. They married at the home of William Hawke in Adelaide. They had 5 children: David Stanley 13/3/1890 in Uraidla, Hilda Rosetta 17/6/1885 in Uraidla, Louisa Catherine 28/10/1882 in Kensington, Mabel Adelaide 19/7/1887 in Carcys Gully and Stella Beatrice 10/9/1893 in Carcys Gully.
William and Thomas probably had more children but the SA records only go up to 1906 so I can't check for any others after that date.
Found Jane's death aged 74 at Prospect.
Hope this fills in a few more blanks.
Cheers
Karenn
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Hi Karenn, many thanks for the Hawkes ;)
I had a look through the various parishes starting with 'A'
Here they are
27 Nov 1848 by Banns in the Parish of Durnford, James North of full age, bach, miller, of Salterton, William North, Carpenter married Charlotte Sophia North of full age, sp, servant, of Durnford, James North, Shepherd. According to the rites and ceremonies of the Church of England, RM Chetfield, Off. Minister. Witnesses Briant North and Elizabeth Beauchasy.
Is it possible to look up another Hawke please.
John Hawke b. 7 Jun 1840, Kea, Cornwall married Mary Reece 4 Jun 1868, I presume in SA. He died 12 Dec 1906, Kapunda, SA. Any info on kids etc greatly appreciated.
Cheers Dave
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Hello Dave,
You're blood's worth bottling as my mum would say! Briant is Charlotte's brother and being able to tie in William, the carpenter, as James' father confirms your former find. Well done!
I'm going to order the Durnford film and see what else turns up! There is a William North marrying a Jane Smart in Durnford in 1810.
Would be happy to look up your John next time I'm at the library.
Thanks again,
Karenn ;D
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Hi Karenn, glad to help ;D.
I was not sure about the name Briant - the handwriting was a bit iffy. As of next Wednesday I'm away from UK until early December, but I do check the web every week. If there's any more I can do let me know later in the year.
Best of luck with Durnford.
Looking forward to the 'last of the Hawkes'
Cheers Dave
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Have a great holiday!!!!!!!!!!
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Hello Dave,
Had lots of success with your HAWKE family! Mary Elizabeth Hawke died 22/3/1881 aged 37 yrs.
John and Mary Elizabeth Hawke had the following children:
Edith Maria Hawke b 30/11/1875 at Hawker Creek died 18/4/1877 16 months,
Frederick Stanley b 16/8/1879 Kapunda died 28/11/1892 aged 13 yrs,
William Herbert b 16/6/1870 at Hawker Creek. can't find death or marriage.
Richard Sydney b 14/4/1873 at Hawker Creek married at age 26 to Alice Louisa TWELLS. Alice was 24 and her father's name was James. They married at Church of Christ Kapunda.on 5/7/1899. They had a son named Harry HAWKE b 23/8/1901 in Kapunda and Harry married at aged 25 on 26/2/1927 at St Paul's Adelaide to Lily LEE aged 25. Her father's name was Samuel. (Richard and Alice probabaly had more children after 1906)
Sarah Jane HAWKE b 13/12/1868 at Hawker Creek and died 29/9/1915 at Kapunda. Sarah married at age 24 to William Grose ROBINS also 24 on 1/11/1893 at Kapunda. William's fathers name was also William and they married at the residence of Rees, Rees, Kapunda.
Sarah and William had the follwing children:
Edwin Maurice ROBINS b 2/12/1902 at Kapunda and he married at age 24 to Grace Alice Goodfellow aged 22 on 4/12/1926 at St Phillips Kapunda. Grace's father's name was Edward Patrick Goodfellow.
Effie May b 30/5/1894 at Kapunda. Can't find death or marriage.
Lina Marion b 25/1/1904 at Kapunda. Can't find death or marriage.
Winifred Ida b 31/7/1898 at Kapunda. Winifred married at aged 28 to Sydney HITCHENS aged 31 at the Cong church Kapunda on 16/7/1927. Father's name was John Henry HITCHENS.
Mary Juan b 1913 and died 25/10/1913 at Kapunda aged 8 mths.
Sarah and William could have had more children between 1906 and 1913. I only picked up Mary Juan because she was in the deaths.
Dave, can you remember which villages you visited around Woodford for my Lawrence and Mary NORTH so I don't double up?
Enjoy the warmer weather! It's a lovely spring day here in OZ.
Best wishes
Karenn :D
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Hi Karenn, many thanks for the Hawke info - you have been busy! It's uncanny that my brother in law lived in Kapunda for many years and both his children were born there! This was well before I knew of the Hawke connection. Thanks to you I shall be adding to the Hawke family on Tribal Pages in the coming weeks.
I'm sorry I can't remember which parishes I looked at for the Norths, but they were the ones immediately next to Woodford. The Record Office has an outline map of the county and I just selected the ones around Woodford such as Berwick St James and Durnford, I think. Memory is fading fast.
We've had a glorious summer here but now's the time to go.
Kind regards Dave
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Karenn, I had to go to the local library to return books and they had a map of the Wiltshire parishes. Here are the ones I looked at:
South Newton, Stapleford, Berwick St James, Wilsford cum Lake and Durnford.
Regards Dave
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Hello Dave,
How was your holiday? Nicely tanned? ;D
Thanks for looking those up but I decided to hire a british researcher to look for my Lawrence and Mary. (Time was running out)
He has looked in his million or so records of Wiltshire and tells me they didn't get married there.
So he's investigating in Hampshire at the moment.
Thanks for your interest. :D
Cheers
Karenn
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Hi Karenn
Good to hear from you. Weather's still great and I have less than 4 weeks to go. If you need any more help in Wiltshire in December let me know.
Hope the research in Hampshire goes well.
Cheers Dave 8)
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There are some Hawke gravestones in both the Summertown and Mt Lofty Cemetery. I am more than happy to take any photos you would like.
Maria Jane Hawke and her husband Peter Jarrett built the house in which I live, at least one of the children was born here. I have some connections to both families by marriage and there are still a number of Hawkes and Jarretts in the district. Maria's great nephews still own and farm the surrounding properties.
Deanne
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Hi Deanne, good to hear from you and thank you for your kind offer. I'm not familiar with the area but I am especially interested in Jane Renfrey (my 4th grt grandmother), her daughter and son in law and some of their children. All I believe died in Kapunda.
Jane Renfrey died 19 Jun 1853 in Adelaide age abt 74 born Kea, Cornwall
Richard Hawke bur 22 Sep 1868, Kapunda ag about 60, his wife Jane (or Jenefer) Hawke bur 28 Feb 1876 Kapunda age abt 70
Richard Hawke died abt 1851 Kapunda age abt 29
John Hawke died 12 Dec 1906 Kapunda age abt 66
Maria Mead died 7 Apr 1871 Kapunda age abt 24
I'll send a PM with my e-mail if that would be more convenient.
Cheers Dave
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I live in Maria Hawkes home in Uraidla if that's a help! :-)
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Hi Deanne, good to hear from you again. It's most interesting that you live in Maria's home. Any information most helpful.
Regards from sunny Spain, Dave