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Hi,
Could anyone please do a look-up for me on 1841 census for a Samuel Richardson born c 1839 - Yatehouse, Cheshire.
I would be very grateful for any help with this.
Many thanks,
Dea
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Hi Dea
Welcome to Rootschat :)
Here are your family in 1841, all born in the county
HO107-121-18-Folio 5 Byley cum Yatehouse Middlewich
John Richardson 31 ag lab
Maria 33
Hannah 10
John 8
George 6
Samuel 4
Mary 1
Very difficult to read them but I think I have them all correct.
peterbennett
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Thank you SO much Peter - I had been told you were an angel and you are !!
I am very grateful to have the information but it doesn't seem to help at the moment - I am trying to connect Samuel somehow with the family of Thomas Richardson born c 1817 in Stoney Stratford, Bucks but moved to Monks Coppenhall, Cheshire - I KNOW they are connected but can't find the link.
However, Thank you so much for your response - Another link in my chain - It WILL connect sooner or later.
Many thanks again,
Dea
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Peter,
May I ask for a little more help please?
The Samuel you mentioned above aged 4 - He married an Elizabeth and I have him with sister-in-law Mary Downing on 1891 (where incidentally, she appears twice on that census!)
Anyway, I am trying to sort out the sister-in-law relationship and it would help if I knew if Mary had a sister Elizabeth.
Could you therefore try to find Mary on 1841 for me ? - She
was born Middlewich (or Clive) c 1836 - Her father was probably Stephen Chesters (Ag. lab.)
I can't pin her down in 1851 but have her on all census's after that - she married a Hickton in 1856, then in 1871 a Downing.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Dea
P.S. - I have found Samuel Richardson on the 1851 - living as a Farm Labourer (Servant) In Byley cum Yatehouse - In the same Household is another servant - Ann CHESTERS - born c 1829 - Warton, Cheshire - NOT the one he married but possibly a sister to Elizabeth (his wife), and the reason for them meeting?
Dea
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P.S. - It gets worse - Just noticed on the 1851 - Samuel RICHARDSON's parents are in the household next door AND Samuel HICKTON (The one who married Mary CHESTERS ) is a few households away with his parents + siblings.
Dea
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Hi
Sorry, spent a few hours on it and haven't come up with anything as yet, only maybe the same as yourself, that a Elizabeth Latham married Stephan Chesters at Davenham 1829, he seems to have died Middlewich 1846, and maybe Elizabeth also before the 1851.
There is no name index for the 1841 census in the areas you are interested in, and unreadable in certain districts.
It does look however that Elizabeth and Samuel Richardson's first daughter was registered as Flora Chesters not Richardson and was born in Wharton 1860, so who did Elizabeth know in Wharton well enough to have her child there ? it may be an advantage to obtain the birth certificate of Flora Chesters b1860 to see who registered the birth. as well as a copy of Elizabeth's b1839 Over/Winsford.
There does not seem to be a marriage for Samuel and Elizabeth, unless you have found one, if so again the certificate would be a great help. Also the fathers details on the marriage certificate of one of Mary's marriages may also tie in with Elizabeths birth details.
hope this is of help
peterbennett
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Peter,
Brilliant, yet again !! - I still don't know how it all fits together though.
I will put Elizabeth + Stephen Chesters to one side for now !
How did you find out that Flora was born Warton and known as Flora Chesters?
Anyway, this is VERY interesting as I looked up her birth and it was Registered June quarter 1859 as Flora KENT Chesters.
When I found Samuel Richardson + Ann Chesters in 1851 - both as servants - the Head of the household was George KENT c 1805 (Lawton) !!!!!!!!!
I have sent for the birth certificate and will see what 'goodies' that brings - I can't wait!!
Thanks for your help - I will let you know what transpires.
Dea
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Hi
How did you find out that Flora was born Warton and known as Flora Chesters?
The first thing I do when I cannot find a marriage is to check where and when the children were born this helps place the mum in a specific area at a definite date (dont always trust census birth places). I could not find a birth for first child Flora Richardson so checked the http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/ for Flora Chesters, seeing that she was born 1859 I checked the 1861 census and found in Yatehouse.
RG9-2607-F73
George Kent head 55 farmer 66 acres Lawton
Ann Kent wife 33 Manchester
William son 9 Yatehouse
Alfred son 7 Yatehouse
Robert son 3 Yatehouse
Flora Chesters niece 1 Wharton
Elizabeth Chesters servant 22 Yatehouse
Jane Latham visitor 14 Clive
Peter Richardson 14 ag lab Yatehouse
There is obviously a link between the names Latham, Kent, Chesters and Richardson, but there is no point in getting to excited until you see what the certificates have to say.
peterbennett
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I SO agree Peter - This is the household I found on the 1851 - The link is obviously there but I sent for the cert for Flora's birth and will persue things further once that arrives.
This is such a 'tangled web' !! (a challenge though !).
Thank you for all your help - I will let you know what I find.
Best regards,
Dea
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Well,
I got Flora's birth cert.
Elizabeth Chesters was her mother - no father named, but a middle name for her - 'KENT'.
Obviously father was one of the Kent household, but which one???
No further forward!
Dea
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Hi
Maybe a Kent was not the father!! but Elizabeth may have been taken in by the Kent family following the death of her parents and she added Kent out of respect.
I would ask the Cheshire records office if there is a baptism for Flora in the St Michaels Middlewhich parish registers, as you have a birth date they will look through a couple of years for free,there is a link below with an email address in it.
Did the birth certificate have an address and who actually registered the birth ?
regards
peterbennett
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Thank you for your suggestions Peter - I hadn't thought of the 'Kent' name being used in that way.
The birth was registered by Elizabeth Chesters, Mother, Yatehouse.
I will contact the Cheshire Records Office as you suggest and see if they can help (Thanks for the link).
I will have to look for another possible father now - perhaps it WAS Samuel, before they were married ??
Will keep you updated.
Many Thanks,
Dea
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Hi Again
Forgot to mention that there is a will left by George Kent of Yatehouse,it may or may not help your cause, you can see it indexed at http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/recordoffice/wills/Search.htm
regards
peterbennett
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Thanks Peter,
I have been looking for that - I will go and buy it NOW!!!
I need to follow the Chesters family - I am convinced that George Kent's second wife was Ann Chesters - married between 1851 + 1861.
These Chesters are driving me loopy - they are all interlinked with each other but keep swapping children and changing wives, almost never die and rarely actually get married - some die but are never born and ALL of them breed like rabbits - in and out of their marriages.
I will sort them in the end though.
Thanks for your help yet again.
Dea
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D lol
We've all got a few of them
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YES, YES, YES...........!!!!!
Marriage - George Kent to Ann Chesters - Manchester Cathedral - 23rd November, 1851. - I KNEW IT!!!!!
Also, The Will arrived. - George Kent - Brother in Law - Richard Chesters - Executors - Mary Downing (originally Chesters) + Stephen Chesters. - I feel more 'detective work' coming on!!
No mention oif Flora, but, I think she may have already died
Dea x
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By the way,
John + Maria Richardson - parents of the Samuel I started off looking for.
Maria was Maria Percival. This is another family which constantly intertwines.
I really MUST pay a visit to Byley cum Yatehouse - I mean no offence but judging by the way these families all intermingle- everyone in this village must all look the same as they are all inter-related.
Dea x
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I know this thread is a little old - but have just registered here and wanted to add my interest in the topics discussed as I am a descendant of Samuel Richardson, and have been working on the family tree. I haven't got a Thomas Richardson b1817 in the tree (as menioned by the OP), and it would seem unusual if he was related as it seems this branch of the Richardsons was called Hitchinson before 1829, so I would say any Richardson pre-dating 1829 must be a different family line.
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Hi Steve,
Thanks for your post.
It has been MANY years since I used this site and almost as many years since I have looked at this branch on my tree but I am ver happy to re-open it !
I am a little at a loss at the moment as I have recently got a new computer and all the contents of my old computer are still on a back-up download on an external disc drive which I had to hurredly do as my last PC was about to 'die' - It did so soon after I completed the download.
As I am not very technical I have not yet worked out how to transfer all the info from the external drive which seems to be in zipped files onto my new machine so I have nothing I can look at to see any info on this family.
I know that it is my husband's side of the family which goes back via the Hicktons to the Richardsons. I remember there was a mention of then being Hitchinson in the past.
I will try to get access to this over the weekend so I can give you some detail as I have LOADS which I am more than happy to share.
If all else fails, I have files full of written notes and info which I can try to piece together.
How are you related to Samuel Richardson please?
Dea x
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Wow, I didn't expect a response to a thread unused for such a time - perfect. And I have to thank you as I had misidentified the family of the wife, Elizabeth, of Samuel Richardson. I can see now that it was Chesters and the two were married at Cathedral Manchester on 24 Nov 1861.
My own genetic trail is down the line of Samuel's son Arthur Samuel b1866 (who moved to Manchester), and his son Arthur Richardson b1894 was my grandfather (who moved to Norwich). It came as quite a surprise to find that we would have been Hitchinson's but for the Darnhall affair. It was also quite a surprise to find I was living only a few miles from my roots, purely by chance having been born in Norfolk, raised in London, worked in Kent, and moved with work to Cheshire.
I assume getting married in Manchester was a reflection that the family still felt under threat, and that a local marriage might just attract too much attention. Have you had much success with tracking the family back up the Hitchinson line?
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Just noticed - Mary Hickton 1871 census widowed, occupation Publican, Crewe, Monks Coppenhall. I wonder which pub, and how common it was in those days for a widow to run a pub ?
Samuel Richardson was InnKeeper, Bears Head, Brereton 1881 & 1891 census, looks like he raised his large family there. He is buried in the graveyard - I have a photo of the gravestone if you are interested. Nice place, too, the Bears Head! As an ex-publican, Mary (now Downing) would have known the trade when she was living in Brereton.
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Good morning Steve.
It's going to be a busy weekend for me - I have been sitting at my desk since 7.15am surrounded by files and files of old paperwork on this branch of the family and am steadily trawling through it to collate the info we need.
I have also found an old back up disc which, though not up to date, may give me some basics to show to you. - I 'may' be able to read that from the disc which I will try when I am properly awake.
I will come back to you the minute I have something sorted.
Dea x
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Still here - still struggling !!!
If you are a whizz at computers - PLEASE come on here and help me !!!
Dea Xxx
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Still working on it but I 'am' getting there slowly :)
You asked about the Pub which Mary Hickton was running in 1871 - well, according to a Directory dated 1874 the pub was at that time called the 'Hop Pole Inn' (142 Wistanton Rd) but by then the Landlord was a William Large and Mary and her new husband Samuel Downing had moved to 2 Church St.
Dea x
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Glad to hear you are making progress with the computer. Looks like the Hop Pole Inn still exists (as the Hope Pole Hotel).
As Hickton is your speciality - when did Samuel Hickton die?
Also I see that Mary married Samuel Downing on 16th March 1871, so why did she put her marital status on 2nd April 1871 census as Widowed, and her name as Hickton (maybe keeping the name was helpful for the pub licence)? Samuel Downing also put his marital status as widowed in the census with a child William J Downing b Haslington 1856, but I have not had much success in tracking down earlier records for Samuel, except for a child Peter with parents Samuel and Maria Downing in Haslington in 1858.
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Unfortunately I have never been able to find a death or a burial for Samuel Hickton.
Dea x
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Right then, at long last I have found some things which may be of interest to you. - I still can't see my desk as there are papers piled all over it ;D
If you would likecopies of any of these, I have:
a copy of Samuel's will from 1916.
Birth cert of Peter Richardson born 1846 - son of John Richardson and Maria Percival (also these are Samuel's (1838) parents )
Birth cert of George Richardson (1862) son of Samuel Richardson + Elizabeth Chesters.
I am sure I have more certs etc. which I have not yet uncovered.
I have not traced anything back from John Richardson (Hitchinson) c 1809 who was Samuel's father but on his mother's side (Maria Percival) I have traced back as far as 1680.
I am happy to share any or all of this - just let me know what you would like.
Dea x
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Hi there - I don't know how to work this site any better than you do !!!
Are you still around and wanting to share info ???
Dea Xxx
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George Richardson b1862, appears in my notes as George John Richardson and has children with wife named as Sarah Errington of Uttoxeter (b1857) - though can't find a record of the marriage. Confusingly he seems to have swapped to using John George as his name at some stage, so for example :
John Samuel Richardson Chr 1/8/1886 Father George John, Mother Sarah Errington
William Arthur Richardson Chr 29/1/1888 Father John George, Mother Sarah Errington
However at the same time, Samuel's older brother John b1832, had a son John b1859, who married Sarah, and moved into Brereton. So if George John calls himself John then confusion is possible.
Also I have now 4 George Percival Richardsons - b1834, b1866, b1878 and b1899 - and now the 1866 one seems to have become 1870. Its no good - there are too many I think I need to step away and come back for a fresh look when rested.
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Well, I can easily solve the first problem for you - this is their marriage:
Marriages Jun 1885 (>99%)
Richardson George Uttoxeter 6b 419
RYDER Sarah Errington Uttoxeter 6b 419
She was Sarah Errington RYDER - daughter of John Ryder (schoolmaster) and Mary Ryder (formerly WALDEN)
Born 28th January, 1857. - Bradley Street, Uttoxeter.
I will take a look into your other queries later.
Dea x
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Brilliant - I should have realised Sarah Errington was her first and middle name and not her maiden name, so probably somone up her family tree was an Errington. My own Grandmother had her mothers surname as her middle name - so her middle name was James! I used to think that very strange.
If I have managed to master this system, then below should be a picture of the gravestone of Samuel Richardson, Elizabeth, and their son William Arthur. This is in Brereton graveyard, as are several other Richardson gravestones.
(http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad84/oldnoccer/Assorted/P1130008_zps99s2xnf4.jpg)
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Yes Steve, they often made a habit of putting a mothers maiden name as a middle name and carrying it down the line. I expect that is why all your George's have the middle name of Percival which was the maiden name of Maria who married John (parents of Samuel c 38).
I do have a copy of George's birth cert though (son of Samuel + Elizabeth Chesters) and there is no middle name recorded on that one.
What a beautiful old gravestone that is - did you happen to notice if there were any 'Hitchinson' graves in that cemetery ?
Dea x
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Thats strange FamilySearch indicates George John Richardson christened Brereton 25 March 1862, parents Samuel and Elizabeth Richardson. No image available to confirm. They do have some typos in there that have caught me out before (like Denbighshire being entered as Derbyshire), but I thought that would be correct.
I didn't look for Hitchinson graves. The Hitchinson name is centred around Darnhall and Over - I have searched the St Chad graveyard at Over but I didn't get any hits - the gravestones that old are in poor condition. I will have to visit Byley church one day.
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Extra names are often added at baptism so that is what must have happened in this case. It is certainly not on his birth cert.
Dea x
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Can I test you opinion of Samuel Richardson's siblings before looking up the Hitchinson tree?
As children of John Hitchinson (who changed his name to John Richardson c1829) I have :
Hannah b1830 d1917 mSamuel Wood 1860
John b1831 d1909 m1857Hannah Mitchell raised family in Brereton
George Percival b1834 dUnknown m1861Sarah Downes raised family in Middlewich/Byley
Samuel b1837 we know about
Mary b1840 I don't know about but think stayed single (last census 1881)
James b1842 dUnknown mMargaret from St Asaph -date unknown
Eliza b1845 may have died as a child
Peter b1846 dUnknown mHannah from Cranage, rest I have yet to discover
As you can see I have some gaps to fill here.
Have you seen the little booklet on the Darnhall poachers - by Don Tonkinson? That says that the witness John Hitchinson changed his name to Richardson after the poachers were let off under appeal on a technicality - but it occurs to me that his siblings may have done something similar.
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I have heard about that booklet on the Darnhall poachers but I haven't actually seen a copy.
I have had the grandchildren after school today so haven't had time to do much as yet but will look over the weekend re info on Samuel's siblings.
One thing does occur to me though - the christening you have for George John Richardson christened Brereton 25 March 1862, parents Samuel and Elizabeth Richardson.
There is something strange about this as I have the birth cert and he wasn't born until 10th April 1862 - some 2 weeks after the christening ???
I also note that you have Eliza born in 1845 - I believe that Peter and Eliza were actually twins and as Peter's birth cert has the time of birth 1.am recorded this would seem to confirm that he was a twin as this was usual at the time to give proof for inheritance purposes as to which one was the first born.
I think that Eliza probably died in the first Quarter of 1851 as she did not appear on that census
Deaths Mar 1851
RICHARDSON Eliza Northwich 19 147
Dea x
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Looks like a typo from me re Peter and Eliza - I had the christening date for both as 1st April 1846 - which in itself doesn't mean twins as there was a 4 year gap from James. As you have the birth certificates then that clinches it.
Are birth certificates available on-line? All I know how to access is the FreeBMD data and that is per quarter, and lacks details.
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Hi Steve,
No you can't get the birth certificates on-line for England + Wales - you have to purchase them to see the details.
The cheapest place to buy them is via GRO (General Register Office) they cost £9.25 each but some other sites charge up to 4 times that amount or even more!
You just need the ref number from FreeBMD site.
As I have already said, if you would like copies of any of the ones I have then I am happy to e-mail them to you.
Just let me know...
Dea x
P.S. I will be back later with some info on James.
Dea x
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Oh, I should have said that 'some' areas have their Parish Register online at sites like Ancestry or FindMyPast but they do not cover all areas unfortunately.
Dea x
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Hi again Steve,
With regard to James c 1842 - this is what I had been working on but had not put it onto my tree yet as it is not 'proved' by documentation.
However, it all fits and I do feel it is correct.
On 1881 James and Margaret are in Staffordshire, with them is a stepson Thomas Large:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Grindlestonedge, Horton, Leek, Staffordshire, England
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Print transcription .
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Richardson Head Married Male 38 1843 Gamekeeper Byley com Yatehouse, Cheshire, England
Transcription
Margaret Richardson Wife Married Female 34 1847 Gamekeepers Wife Ridland? North Wales
Transcription
Florence Richardson Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Daughter Ipstones, Staffordshire, England
Transcription
Thomas Large Stepson Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Haydock, Lancashire, England.
I then found this baptism for Thomas:
Baptism: 9 Jul 1871 St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England
Thomas Large - 4 Child 3 Son of William Large & Margaret
Born: 16 Jun 1871
Abode: Judgefield Brow Haydock St James
Occupation: Stoker
Baptised by: George Barrett
Register: Baptisms 1861 - 1873, Page 240, Entry 1920
Source: LDS Film 1885659
This marriage seemed 'favourite' :
Name: William Large - Fireman - widower
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 7 Feb 1869
Parish: Liverpool, St Nicholas
Spouse's Name: Margaret Morris
Father's name: William Large - Hair dresser
Spouse Father's Name: Price Morris - Labourer
Reference Number: 283 NIC/3/69
Witnesses - Matthew Chorley + Ellinor Morris
Her address - Loui-s St ????? - His - Woodstock St.
So, this was the couple on 1871, before Thomas's birth:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Judgefield Brow, Haydock, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Large Head - Male 30 1841 - Lancashire, England - Banksman
Margaret Large Wife - Female 24 1847 - Gloucestershire, England - Image says Ridland? Wales !!! ****
Mathew Chorley Lodger - Male 30 1841 - Lancashire, England
Jno Norman Lodger - Male 20 1851 - Lancashire, England
NOTE that the address is the same as the baptism and a witness from their marriage is lodging with them
William seems to have died later that year, a few months after the birth of Thomas:
Deaths Dec 1871 (>99%)
Large William 31 Warrington 8c 97 Scan available - click to view
It looks as though Margaret's father is actually 'Pierce' and not 'Price' as on her marriage entry to William and she was baptised in Ruddlan (Ridland /Ryddland):
Flint Baptisms Transcription
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First name(s) MARGARET
Last name MORRIS
Birth year 1846
Birth day -
Birth month -
Baptism year 1846
Baptism day 30
Baptism month Aug
Place RHUDDLAN
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Father's first name(s) Pierce
County Flintshire
Country Wales
Record set Flint Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
This would be her parent's marriage:
Flint Marriages Transcription
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First name(s) PIERCE
Last name MORRIS
Birth year -
Marriage year 1846
Marriage day 23
Marriage month May
Place RHUDDLAN
Spouse's first name(s) MARGARET
Spouse's last name VAUGHAN
Groom's parish -
Groom's age Full
Groom's father's first name(s) William
Groom's father's last name Morris
Bride's parish -
Bride's age Full
Bride's father's first name(s) Owen
Bride's father's last name Vaughan
Parish Rhuddlan
County Flintshire
Country Wales
Record set Flint Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
I believe that she later married James Richardson under her maiden name (which was not unusual at that time):
1876 Marriage:
MORRIS Margaret RICHARDSON James Northwich, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended Cheshire West NO/6/140
This marriage then fits well with the birth of their child Florence who appears with them on 1881 census.
Of course, to prove this their marriage cert would be required giving fathers names etc.
Dea x
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OOOOhh - I think I have found my notes on the Hitchinsons back to 1716 !!! - I knew I had them somewhere !!!
They will need some checking but I will dig them out tomorrow !!
Dea x
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Wow, thanks for all that info. It will take me a while to digest and respond. I realise now I should be more diligent in recording the sources of my info when completing my family tree.
For James I have entered residence and occupation info for 1871 and 1901, which means I have census entries.
1871 James was living with parents John and Maria in Byley cum Yatehouse working as a game keeper
1901 James was again living in Byley (aged 58) this time with wife Margaret (aged 53) born in St Asaph, Denibghshire with child Ethel aged 17 born Rudheath, Cheshire. Ethel was christened at Byley 3rd Feb 1884. James' occupation was given as farmer so maybe he inherited the farm and returned from his travels.
Perhaps the Ridland? you have for Margaret is Rhuddlan which I suspect has a similar pronunciation, and is just North of St Asaph.
I had missed the 1881 census entry as FamilySearch has his birthplace as Ryby Cum Yatchouse. That was a good spot. Have to add that to the familt tree. Thanks.
Steve
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Just to complete the James Richardson story - I visited Byley church and his gravestone is right outside the entrance porch.
(http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad84/oldnoccer/Assorted/JamesRichardsonTombstone_zpsh2z0gvag.jpg)
Also in the same graveyard - and rather hard to read is a gravestone for George and Sarah Richardson of Bostock. Sarah died June 18th 187? aged 37 (so 1877 ish), George died May 26th but its hard to get the age and date.
(http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad84/oldnoccer/Assorted/GeorgeRichardson_zpswj8qzutt.jpg)
I saw no Chesters or Hicktons, but quite a lot of Percivals.
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This does not transfer onto here very well as it has changed the format and all the little reference numbers change to full sized ones so I don't know if you will be able to follow it but 'here goes':
Descendants of John Hitchinson
Generation No. 1
1. JOHN1 HITCHINSON was born Abt. 1693. He married ANN WILKINSON 30 Jul 1716. She was born Abt. 1695.
Notes for JOHN HITCHINSON:
He was a Tailor and at his son's baptism was said to be of Stanston (or Stanthorne) in the parish of Davenham
Children of JOHN HITCHINSON and ANN WILKINSON are:
2. i. WILLIAM2 HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1719, Over, Cheshire.
ii. JOHN HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1720.
Notes for JOHN HITCHINSON:
Baptised 11th March, 1720
Generation No. 2
2. WILLIAM2 HITCHINSON (JOHN1) was born Abt. 1719 in Over, Cheshire. He married SARAH EGERTON 13 May 1743 in St Chad's, Over, Cheshire. She was born Abt. 1720, and died 1800 in Cheshire - buried St. Chads, Over 2/7/1800.
Notes for WILLIAM HITCHINSON:
Baptised at St. Chads, Over on 19th April, 1719
He was a Tailor, like his father.
Child of WILLIAM HITCHINSON and SARAH EGERTON is:
3. i. JAMES3 HITCHINSON.
Generation No. 3
3. JAMES3 HITCHINSON (WILLIAM2, JOHN1) He married MARY HULSE 31 Dec 1770 in Whitegate, Cheshire.
Notes for JAMES HITCHINSON:
There are more probably children i.e.
Martha c 1777 baptised 25/5/1777
James c 1777 baptised 25/5/1777
Matty (female) c 1779 baptised 31/1/1779
Betty c 1781 baptised 20/5/1781
Samuel c 1786 baptised 2/6/1786.
Need to check where they werte baptised.!
Children of JAMES HITCHINSON and MARY HULSE are:
i. MARY4 HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1772.
Notes for MARY HITCHINSON:
Birth entry in Register shows as HUTCHINSON.
Baptised at St Bartholomew's Church, Church Minshull on 18th October, 1772
4. ii. JOHN HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1774.
Generation No. 4
4. JOHN4 HITCHINSON (JAMES3, WILLIAM2, JOHN1) was born Abt. 1774. He married HANNAH L WOOLDRIDGE 28 Dec 1797 in Whitegate, Cheshire.. She was born Abt. 1779.
Notes for JOHN HITCHINSON:
Birth name in Register shows as HUTCHINSON.
Baptised at St. Barthomew's Church, Church Minshull 16th October, 1774.
Witness at marriage in 1797 was James Hutchinson.
All their children were born around Darnhall or Swanlow.
Children of JOHN HITCHINSON and HANNAH WOOLDRIDGE are:
i. JAMES5 HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1799, Cheshire.
Notes for JAMES HITCHINSON:
Baptised at St. Chad's Over, 3rd February, 1799
ii. MARY HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1800, Cheshire; m. WILLIAM SANDBACH, 07 Jun 1831, St Chads, Over.
Notes for MARY HITCHINSON:
Bsptised at St Chad's, Over, 21st September, 1800
Her name at some stage changed to HITCHINS.
iii. HANNAH HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1802, Cheshire; d. Abt. 1874; m. GEORGE HOUGH, 28 Dec 1820, St. Chad's, Over; b. Abt. 1787; d. Abt. 1869.
Notes for HANNAH HITCHINSON:
Baptised at St. Chad's, 5th December, 1802.
Marriage Notes for HANNAH HITCHINSON and GEORGE HOUGH:
At marriage, both shown as servants and the witness was James Hitchinson.
iv. SAMUEL HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1804, Cheshire; d. Abt. 1836, Wharton, Cheshire; m. HANNAH SMITH, 31 Dec 1827, St. Wilfred's Church, Davenham.
Notes for SAMUEL HITCHINSON:
Baptised at St Chad's, Over on 30th December, 1804.
Buried at St. Chads, 29th January, 1836
v. THOMAS HITCHINSON, b. 30 Mar 1807, Cheshire; d. 1894; m. MARY HASSALL, 19 Oct 1829, St Wilfred's Church, Davenham.
Notes for THOMAS HITCHINSON:
Baptised at St. Chad's, Over on 24th May, 1807.
Married as 'Richardson' but may have reverted to Hitchinson around the birth of his first child.
Buried at St Chads, Over 4th or 9th March, 1894
Marriage Notes for THOMAS HITCHINSON and MARY HASSALL:
Witnesses Mary Hitchen + Samuel Drinkwater
vi. JOHN HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1809, Cheshire; d. 1886; m. MARIA PERCIVAL; b. Abt. 1810.
Notes for JOHN HITCHINSON:
Baptised at St Chad's, Over on 12th March, 1809.
Later changed his name to Richardson around 1828.
Buried at Byley - 10th June, 1886.
It would be easier to send by direct e-mail - I can understand that you may not wish to give out your personal e-mail address but you can easily open up one of those online e-mail accounts - they don't cost anything and you could just use it for things like this. I think google do one and Yahoo and Outlook.com You can also often create a second address on your existing server which is completely separate to your mail one.
I could then send all those certs to you too.
Dea x
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Wow, thats a chunk to digest, but I am delighted to say that John Hitchinson and Ann Wilkinson from 1693/1695 is also as far as I was able to trace back the Hitchinsons. I got the feeling they went back further to Nantwich or Bunbury but couldn't find the link. Bunbury graveyard didn't turn anything up either - gravestones don't seem to last that long.
We also have the same siblings for John and Hannah, though I suspect James also changed his name to Richardson and moved to Warmingham - will have to dig in my records to see what I based that on.
I won't be able to make a full comparison until tomorrow. Will PM an address to you, but useful to have this on here for others to see. Who knows who might discover this one day.
Steve
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Regarding parents for John Hitchinson b1693. I was confused to find multiple entries for a christening in Nantwich identical but for the year 20th Feb 1692 in one place, 20th Feb 1693 in another (father Richard). I was ignorant of the old calendar that ran until 1752 where the year always started on the 25th March, so it must come from that. One data entry person has respected the old Julian calendar, and one had mapped the dates onto the Gregorian calendar. Dead confusing.
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Is it possible that Mary Hitchinson b1800ish married Joseph Davenport 12 Aug 1823 at Whitegate (as Hutchinson). There is a Mary Davenport married to Joseph living in Tetton in 1861 census birthplace is Darnhall b1801. She is still there in 1871 census, aged 70, birthplace 'Over', now widowed. I have yet to dig out the original census records.
I also thought it likely that James Hitchinson b1799, became the James Richardson married to Ellen and both living into their 80s in Warmingham. This is mainly down to census birthplace being Darnhall, with no obvious candidates with that name and the correct birth date. I have no marriage for these two, though Ellen is recorded as being born in Warmingham (or nearby Moston Green).
Edit : I notice that Whitegate St Mary was the parish chruch for Darnhall until 1876, even though it was quite a distance.
Steve
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Hi Steve,
I would say that those two marriages are highly possible - I can find nothing to prove them wrong but unfortunately when researching so far back it is also very difficult to prove they are the correct ones.
I am much happier with more recent research where I can find actual proof.
I am looking to see if I can find any relevant wills which might help to confirm this.
Will let you know if I come up with anything.
Dea x
P.S. - I have e-mailed you 2 birth certs and Samuel's Will - let me know if you receive them O.K. - Will send more though asap.
Dea x
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Have found a bit more evidence supporting the idea that James Hutchinson and his family changed their surname to Richardson, but they did it some time after 1841.
1841 Census Elton, Warmingham
James Hutchinson aged 40 Ag Lab bCheshire
Wife Elen aged 35 bCheshire
Children Charles aged 7, Hanah aged 4, Elen aged 7 months
Also John Hulme aged 18
1851 Census Warmingham
James Richardson aged 52 Ag Lab bDarnhall
Wife Ellen aged 48 bMoston
Children Charles aged 16, Elijah aged 7, Mary aged 5.
Also William Hulme aged 62 Retired Farmer
No christenings for James Richardson in Darnhall, Over, or Whitegate 1798-1802
One christening for James Hutchenson at St Chad's, Over, father John Hutchenson 1799
Am I worried about the Hutchinson, Hutchenson, Hitchinson variations at St Chad's? Not really, the christenings with John H.... as father don't clash. I just suspect the handwriting is tricky to read.
Not proof, but the evidence is stacking up.
The marriage of James and Ellen is a bit mysterious - the only candidate I have is in Warmingham in 1821 to Ellen Steele - which is 20 years before the first census, and can't see any children before 1834. Its a little odd.
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Just found the tithe map c1840 for Warmingham, shows James' surname as Hitchenson rather than Hutchinson (as he appears in the census). Plot 244a. He also rented a small enclosure - plot 257. Both owned by Lord Crewe.