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Hi
Can anyone see James Favel/Favell b@1825 place...unknown
living in Woburn .He was in the village when he maried Jane Coleman in 1845 .Jane's parents were William and Mary (neeParslow).
Any help would be great
Thanks
Tazzie
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Hi Tazzie
I couldn't see James in Woburn in 1841. However found the following:
HO107/005-39-2 Folio 14A
Bedford St, Woburn
William Coleman 35 ag lab
Mary Coleman 35
Jane 15; Elizabeth 10; Eliza 5; John 4; George 1
Folio 16b
Bedford St, Woburn
Fanny Coleman 75
All born in county
HO107/005-39-3 folio 11B
Thomas Favell 15 born in county
one of a number of males aged 15-9 living in the schoolmasters house. He may be a complete red herring, but was the only Favell in town.
In 1861 James gave his birthplace as Biggleswade Beds. Don't go away, I'll have a look there in 1841, but it's a bit bigger so may take a while.
Regards
David
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Hi Tazzie
Double failure!
Couldn't find James and while I was at it I looked for one of my missing Medlocks who was buried in Biggleswade in 1848. Couldn't find him either!
The only Favells that I saw in Biggleswade:
HO107/002-04 folio 18A
Sandpits, Biggleswade
Will Favell 65 no occupation quoted
Mary Favell 65
Both born in county
Sorry!
Regards
David
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David.
Thank you for checking the possibles for me . Hadn't thought as far as Biggleswade . I think William Coleman's father was James Coleman as the family appear in Woburn rates book at 4 Bedford St from 1806-1809 (years so far transcribed).
James gives his age as 20 on marriage in 1846 so may have to search the records held in the library in Leighton Buzzard as soon as I get chance.
Thanks again
Tracy
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Hi Tracy
Do you have the 1851 and 1861 census details? If not I'll pull them off for you.
It might be useful to find the 1846 marriage entry to get James' father's name.
I can't trace any Favell baptisms in Biggleswade after 1807, although the parish registers have been extracted onto the IGI. The William and Mary who were there in 1841 had two early children, in 1799 and 1807, so seem to be a tad on the old side to be James' parents.
Regards
David
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Good morning David.
Please the census details would be great. Do you think fathers details would be shown this early as I have some in Bucks 1840 that just say "with parents consent"? I agree it seems that the Biggleswade couple would be too old -he could just have been a very late baby!
Thanks again
Tracy
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Hi Tracy
1851
HO107/1755 folio 50B
East St, Aspley Guise, Beds
James Favell head marr 26 Brazier born N.K.
Jane Favell wife 26 b Woburn
Elizabeth Favell dau 6 at home b Woburn
James Favell son 4 at home b Woburn
Elijah Favell son 2 at home b Woburn
Mary Ann Favell dau 6mths b Aspley, Beds
1861
RG9/1005 folio 89A
Blacksmiths shop, Lamsey?, Leighton Buzzard
James Favell head marr 36 tin plate worker journeyman b Biggleswade Beds
Jane Favell wife 36 b Woburn
Elizabeth Favell dau 15 plaiter b Woburn
James Favell son 14 plaiter b Woburn
Elijah Favell son 12 plaiter b Woburn
Mary Favell dau 10 plaiter b Aspley
John Favell son 8 plaiter b Aspley
George Favell son 6 b Aspley
Isaac Favell son 4 b Leighton Buzzard
Henry Favell son 1 b Leighton Buzzard
1871
RG10/1561 folio 73
Lamsey Leighton Buzzard
Jane Favell head widow 46 plaiter b Woburn
Mary A Favell dau unmarr 20 plaiter b Aspley Guise
John Favell son 18 lab in timber yard b Aspley Guise
George Favell son 15 ag lab b Aspley Guise
Isaac Favell son 14 lab in timber yard b Leighton
Henry Favell son 11 plaiter b Leighton
Charles Favell son 9 plaiter b Leighton
Ellen Favell dau 7 plaiter b Leighton
Eliza Favell dau 5 b Leighton
Marriages after July 1837 should have details of both fathers and their occupations.
Regards
David
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Great David .
Thats them. So Elizabeth was living near her husband to be David Underwood in Lamsey. There was a few cottages here and various memebers of my family now seem to live in all of them. Must have got on well with the neighbours.
I see on 1851 it says NK for where born -so I will have to chase those PR's.
Was there 2 Mary Ann's age 6 months (1851 & 1861)?
Thank you
Tracy
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Sorry, the original message got sent somehow before I'd finished it - I was having an instant message conversation with my daughter in Derby at the time. I've completed it now - I'd done a copy and paste to save typing and hadn't amended Mary when it got sent!
david
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Many thanks David..
As for the computer they have a mind of their own.
Will now go and check all the siblings.
Best wishes
Tracy
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My Great Grandfather was Isaac Favell, brother to Elizabeth and son of James Favell. I too have reached a dead end in this line as I have been unable to find the parents of James, born 1825 in Biggleswade according to the 1861 census for Leighton Buzzard. Any help would be much appreciated. Have managed to trace my other family line, the Bull Family, back to 1669.
Pauline......
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Hi Pauline
Welcome to Rootschat
I couldn't find any trace of James in Biggleswade when I looked in 2005, and nothing seems to have changed.
Do you have his 1845 marriage certificate to Jane Coleman from which you ought to get his father's name?
David
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Hello Pauline ...
also welcome to Rootschat... I have only just seen the message and have to dash back to school soon but I do now have some more info the best bit however concerns Isaac's mother Jane and MURDER! Have newspaper reports for all this.
Will dig it all out and fill you in later....
..... David .... it will prove my lot have always been trouble ::)
Tazzie
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I'm pretty certain it's this family
1841 Census: Little Brickhill, Buckinghamshire
Piece: HO107/56/10 Folio: 8 Page: 9
Dwelling:
William FAVELL 45 M Outside Buckinghamshire
Occ: Brazier
Elizabeth FAVELL 45 F Outside Buckinghamshire
James FAVELL 15 M Outside Buckinghamshire
William FAVELL 12 M Outside Buckinghamshire
Catherine FAVELL 10 F Buckinghamshire
Mary FAVELL 8 F Outside Buckinghamshire
Comfort FAVELL 5 F Buckinghamshire
Patience FAVELL 5 F Buckinghamshire
Thomas FAVELL 2 M Buckinghamshire
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Thanks Steven ...
yes thats the family in 1841.
William Favill (as spelt) married Elizabeth Sadler 7th Feb 1820
at Hornby by Bedale Yorks
Elizabeth was baptised in 1798 in Bedale to Robert Sadler & his wife Catherine
a Robert Sadler is baptised in 1759 in Bedale but as yet unproven as to being him.
Now it gets interesting I have all the census records for the family and every one accounted for.... a daughter Mary Ann who dies between 1871 * 1881 census death recorded as aged 26 last qt 1876.
I was playuing around with names on the Bedfordshire & Luton Archives site and entered Favel into the records search for Bedford Gaol.
Up came Jane Favel aged 51 1876 wilful murder no true bill
George Favell aged 22 1876 wilful murder no true bill
Jane Favel aged 51 1877 acquitted. As I knew of only 1 Jane Favel at this time little bells rang. My 3xgreat grandmother was charged with the murder of her own daughter Mary Ann in 1876. Also charged was son George and his future wife Catherine Samuel who married in 4th qt 1877.
The newspaper descriptions from the time paint the story vivid black.
The body had been found early on a Sunday morning at around 7am, Mary Ann was found face down still clutching in her hand small change however the body was burnt almost to a cinder.Of her clothing only the cuff on her wrist was visible.
That night 7 family members had been in the house Jane/ George/Charles/Isaac/Eliza/Ellen&Henry, when questioned none heard a noise ...a scream...could smell a fire ...or the burning flesh.....Witnesses and neighbours gave there versions one claim to hear a scream or cry at around 4am someone else heard a thud at around the same time no two stories seemed to tally. The trial lasted from October 1876 until July 1877.
The judge said of the case that it puzzled human ability to solve and unless the jury found there was no shadow of doubt they could not find the prisoner guilty of wilful murder. The jury left to consider its verdict returning 57 minutes later to declare a verdict of not guilty.
I am still reading everything that I can find on the case to give Jane her own little section in the tree. It just goes to show ...read between the lines... fill in the gaps... who knows what you may find.
Welcome to a now very interesting little family.
Tazzie
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Thanks, Tazzie and Steven.
Have been looking in the wrong place it seems...... Already found a few skeletons in the family cupboard, but this one tops them all!!!!!!!
Pauline.
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Hi folks,
With the information in this topic I have had some success in finding many relatives.
However!!!!!!! Cannot find any trace of Patience or Comfort Favell born in 1836 after the 1951 census. There appears to be no record of marriages or deaths, so failing alien abduction, I am totally stumped.
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Hi Pollyanna....
Just caught your post. I think I have tracked Comfort but unless I order lots of certs I cannot fully prove.
have a look at these entries in the census I have posted about it on here under heading of
Have I found Comfort? posted 10 April 2008
1841 & 1851 you have ...so ..
1861 THIS IS THE STICKIEST ENTRY.. as Emma Atkins
1871 Emma Favell ok name wrong but follow 1881 entry and names repeat
1871 can be found RG10/1573 F 14 P19
1881 can be found RG11/1649 F 78 P33 shown as Comfort Atkins
1891 this time Comfort Atkins born Woburn at RG12/1273 F 16 P26
1901 as Comfort Flavell at RG13/1514 F 85 P29.
She changes birth places and the Comfort to Emma well... but the constant appearence of the girls and then Cyril pulls it together.
Patience marries in Weymouth district in 1856 to Joseph Devouta (various spelling in census) her death is registered as Patience De Voute in 1917 birth as 1838.
Tazzie
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Thanks Tazzie,
I was onto the Patience in Weymouth before reading your reply, but was unsure of the connection. I have been too reliant on accurate dating, but it seems the deeper you go the more apparent it becomes. Had a job following your recent post for Comfort though, until I read the 2008 information. It seems to make sense considering the inaccuracies of this side of the family in the past. Many Thanks again for a shove in the right direction. The digging starts here.
Regards, Pollyanna
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Hi Pollyanna...
Yes you need to read the full details on the old post from 2008 the girls and then Cyril tie them together.
As for the ages and birth details for Comfort as you say seems par for the course with this family.
They seem to keep us on our toes :)
Tazzie