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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: Peggy13 on Thursday 08 December 05 04:26 GMT (UK)
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I am still looking for my gggg grandfather who emigrated to Canada in 1823. This was written on his headstone in L'Acadie, Quebec-----
Sacred to the memory of
William Brownrigg, Sr
who departed this life on the
12th day of May 1849
aged 62 years
And who was a native of Mullins
Parish of Kilcommon, County Wicklow,Ireland
and emigrated to this country
and settled in the parish of L'Acadie
on the 3rd of June 1823
This stone is dedicated to his memory
by his loving and affectionate wife
Jane Morris
I would dearly love to find his parents and more about his family. Can anyone help me at all? It would be greatly appreciated.
Peggy
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I'm no expert but there is a site http://www.originsnetwork.com/ that covers Irish origins you do have to subscribe I think it's about 7 pounds for a year good luck worth a try. :)
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Thank you. I will look into it. Merry Christmas.
Peggy
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I am still looking for my gggg grandfather who emigrated to Canada in 1823. This was written on his headstone in L'Acadie, Quebec-----
Sacred to the memory of
William Brownrigg, Sr
who departed this life on the
12th day of May 1849
aged 62 years
And who was a native of Mullins
Parish of Kilcommon, County Wicklow,Ireland
and emigrated to this country
and settled in the parish of L'Acadie
on the 3rd of June 1823
This stone is dedicated to his memory
by his loving and affectionate wife
Jane Morris
I would dearly love to find his parents and more about his family. Can anyone help me at all? It would be greatly appreciated.
Peggy
I have no idea if this is being watched for future input but I do have the transcript of the headstone you have been seeking and am wondering have you obtained it between this posting and me finally being able to read it.
Cara
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I am not sure I understand. I have seen this actual headstone and that is how I was able to post the words on the headstone.
I was looking to find his parents and Jane's. I have visited the graveyard in L'Acadie several times and the town of Grande Ligne
where this couple lived and where my father was born.
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Your problem is that William's birth is probably well before the start of many of the parish records. Do you know what denomination your Brownrigg family were ?
Shane
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William and relatives are buried in the Grace Anglican Church graveyard in L'Acadie. So protestant. His son Richard, my gg grandfather is buried in the Baptist church graveyard in Grande Ligne, quebec, Canada. William and his family emigrated from Co. Wicklow and I was sent a set if possible parents. Trouble is, how can one be sure if only have the year of birth. The possible parents are Abraham and Alice and there are no descendants ever with those names. Perhaps if one found the marriage and it stated parents, one could be more sure.
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Anglican/Church of Ireland would make sense as the name of the CofI Parish is Kilcommon - the RC parish which covers this civil parish is Tomacork.
Conflicting details on the availability of historic records for the parish - Ryan's lists them as 'lost', but the RCB list shows Kilcommon records back to the 1810s.
Shane
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Thanks for this information. What is RCB list? Son Stephen's baptism is found in 1821 in parish of Kilcommon (he was born 1819 in Ballinglen). I paid a researcher for that. She also suggested the possible parents of Abraham and Alice in Aghold, as did another lister.
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forgot to mention - there are two civil parishes in Co. Wicklow named Kilcommon - so this might be why Ryan's and the RCBL List appear to conflict.
Kilcommon parish in the barony of Ballinacor is located in the south west of the county, and close to Co. Carlow. It includes the town of Tinahely and the townlands of Mullans North and Mullans South.
The other Kilcommon parish is to the east of the county and close to Arklow.
Shane
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Thanks for this information. What is RCB list?
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list of records held by the Representative Church Body Library
They hold most of the Church of Ireland parish records.
Shane
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Brian J Cantwell's; Memorials of the Dead; Wicklow
Kilcommon COI cemetery;
Early remains of Rev. Thomas Brownrigg, Springlawn, Wicklow
Chancellor of the Christ Church Cathedral Dublin
25/1/1826 (73)
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Henry Brownrigg, Wingfield Wexford
12/4/1851 (78)
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William Brownrigg; Mullins;
1/4/1868 (62)
daughter; Catherine Jane;
16/6/1871 (37)
wife-Elizabeth;
April 1881 (79)
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Jack
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Thanks Jack,
All of those first names are in our family tree. Probably related somehow. My William born 1785 and his son William born 1804. Both
died in Canada. William Jr. had a son Henry and a son Thomas. Thanks for this information.
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Thanks for this information. What is RCB list? Son Stephen's baptism is found in 1821 in parish of Kilcommon (he was born 1819 in Ballinglen). I paid a researcher for that. She also suggested the possible parents of Abraham and Alice in Aghold, as did another lister.
My apologies Peggy as I have simply written my message without thinking, I was actually speaking of headstones Transcripts I have for Kilcommen Brownrigg family which although later than your dates links to Mullins which gives a link to your family townland, the other thing is I have never noted the name Abraham linked to Brownrigg, lots of Williams lots of Richards i do have a William ( died 1797) married to a Alice Nickson, with a son who died in India,
There is of course the Brownrigg family of Mount Nebo and there are a few of us who have been and have chased the name Brownrigg around Carlow, Wicklow and other counties in Ireland but we have not been able to gather enough to link all and sundry that we have, but should you desire that headstone transcript which is around 1868-What I do find interesting is that a Reverend Theobold Brownrigg is buried with this family also and a Reverend Thomas either of these could hold a clue to your family search
Cheers for the moment
Cara
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If you are still interested, reply as I have information on Abraham Brownrigg, father of William Brownrigg c1785...also siblings etc . They came from townlands of Graiguemore and Rahinduff in Co. Wexford
Ross Hopkins
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Hello Ross,
I have sent an email to hotmail. You should have it by now. Thank you so very much.
Peggy
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I am NOT a Brownrigg expert but this is what I have for you;
John Brownrigg (circa 1730????) a chandler, was married to a Mary...
They had 600 acres at Craiguemore Townland
It was split among 3 sons
William Brownrigg
John Castleton Brownrigg
Abraham Brownrigg who married Alice Nixon.
They baptized son William Oct 19 1785 at CoI Aghold Parish when living at Mullins Townland
They alo had children John 1782, Mary Ann 1783 Abe, Patience, Richard, ...all born before 1789
Hope this helps.
My interest derives from wanting to know something of Henry Brownrigg of Craiguemore 1782-1849. Perhaps his father was Abe or William or John, all circa 1760?? of Craiguemore. He married Elizabeth Hopkins May 25, 1807 at Clonegal. She was from Garryhasten inthat Parish but I cannot connect her to other Hopkins in that area. Anything you know would be helpful.
Doe anyone have Kilruh Parih records? I have a Jacob Brownrigg buried May 29 1809 at age 30. Also a Jacob buried May 29 1809 with Elizabeth (Hopkins) at age 70. There must be a transcription error.
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Shane,
Which Kilcommon Parish would include Ballinglen, where son Stephen was baptised?
Thanks
Peggy
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THIS WAS SENT IN REGARD TO A HENRY BROWNRIGG BORN CIRCA 1782
"Thank you very much for the information that you ent regarding the Michigan branch of the Brownrigg Family. Being a Hopkins, my interest is in trying to tie your ancestor Elizabeth Hopkins circa 1781 into my large Hopkins group that lived in SW Co. Wicklow. There was a number of them living on the Townland of Garryhasten just across the border in Wexford at that time.
These Hopkins were part of the C of I parish at Clonegal but the church records do not go back far enough to record a 1781 baptism of Elizabeth.
A James and Mary Hopkins baptised a son Joseph in 1796...
An Edward Hopkins was born circa 1788 and he was the leaseholder at “The Grove” farm at Garryhasten.
One has to suspect that these two might have been sibling with Elizabeth BUT...
A couple of minor point on your Tree
William Brownrigg in Generation 2 married twice, but the dates don't seem to jibe...Was Margaret Allen the 2nd wife?
I am told that Gore Brownrigg married Jane Sykes on June 20 1868 at Shillelagh, Co. Wicklow. As the children were born in 1871 and 1872, this makes more sense than the 1877 date. 5 years after they had emigrated.
Good hunting...let me know if something of interest shows up.
P S Much of my data is secondhand from trees on “Worldconnect”
Regards
Ross"
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I believe that William was baptised at Aghold Parish Oct 19 1785 by Abe Brownrigg and Alice Nixon. You can contact me at (*) for more
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Hello Peggy 13 and others,
I am new to my family's genealogy and have just plausibly connected one of my great, great grandmothers back to William Brownrigg, Co. Wicklow, born 1785, one of your gggg grandfathers, making him a gggg grandfather to me also. Very exciting!
A family tree (don't have the name at the moment) noted William as being born in Mullins, Ballynamanoge,Kilcommon,Wicklow. Ballynamanoge is in the Kilcommon parish that is noted in Griffith's Valuation and there's a William Brownrigg cited there as being an occupier of one plot and lessor of an adjacent one.
But is the Mullins / Ballynamanogue tree notation incorrect geography-wise?
For Peggy, I have the information coming down from William to my McGoogan family in Quebec via Shortly. I would be so happy to know more about your family in Quebec as I don't have much data yet.
Thank you to any and all for further guidance!
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Hi
From Irishgenealogy.ie ‘Church Records’ Carlow CoI, all in Aghold Parish, Carlow:-
16 Mar 1782
John Brownrigg baptised, son of Abraham and Alice
5 Jan 1784
Mary Anna Brownrigg baptised, dau of Abraham and Alice
19 Oct 1785
Abraham and also William Brownrigg baptised, sons of Abraham and Alice.
Then
18 Feb 1837
Abraham Brownrigg, age 82, of Killygowan was buried.
See:-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?namefm=&namel=Brownrigg&exact=&name2fm=&name2l=&location=&yyfrom=&yyto=&diocese=CARLOW+(COI)&parish=¢ury=&decade=&sort=&pageSize=100&ddBfrom=&mmBfrom=&yyBfrom=&ddMfrom=&mmMfrom=&yyMfrom=&ddDfrom=&mmDfrom=&yyDfrom=&ddBto=&mmBto=&yyBto=&ddMto=&mmMto=&yyMto=&ddDto=&mmDto=&yyDto=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&member0=&member1=&member2=&member3=&member4=&member5=&member6=&member7=&member8=&member9=&namef0=&namef1=&namef2=&namef3=&namef4=&namef5=&namef6=&namef7=&namef8=&namef9=&namel0=&namel1=&namel2=&namel3=&namel4=&namel5=&namel6=&namel7=&namel8=&namel9=&event=&keyword=&submit=Search
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I am a bit confused on this connection! Can anyone help?
The Clonegal Parish records ( a transcription) show a marriage -" 21 May 1807 Henry BROWNRIGG & Elizabeth HOPKINS Garryhastin". This would normally indicate that she was from Garryhasten and that his abode was either not listed or he was also from Garryhasten.
According to one source "Elizabeth HOPKINS of Garryhasten (1781-1822) married Jacob BROWNRIGG (1739-1809); as second husband she married his cousin Henry BROWNRIGG of
Graiguemore (1782-1849).
However, if the second marriage took place in 1807, the first husband Jacob must have died before 1807, not in 1809 and buried at Kilrush (age 30 or 70???)according to Cantwell.
Can anyone explain my error?
I am also looking for the parents of Elizabeth Hopkins
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However, if the second marriage took place in 1807, the first husband Jacob must have died before 1807, not in 1809 and buried at Kilrush (age 30 or 70???)according to Cantwell.
Can anyone explain my error?
I am also looking for the parents of Elizabeth Hopkins
What does 'according to Cantwell mean'?
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What does 'according to Cantwell mean'?
The late Brian Cantwell went through all the known old graveyards of Wicklow and Wexford in the 1980s, and transcribed all the visible/readable memorial inscriptions pre-dating 1880 (which he found/noticed - he was not 100% inclusive)
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Can anyone explain my error?
Why do you say it is your error?
Two possibilities:
- You are using secondary sources. One of them is in error.
- Date on memorial inscription is incorrect. I know of several instances in my family tree. Multiple causes - inscriptions made much later and correct date misremembered, mason's error, etc.
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Re Birth of James Beggs 1752.
Peggy,
Have just come across your posts on roots chat from 2014 concerning as you put it "my Thomas Beggs" who married Margaret Boyd. We are researching my fathers side the McDonalds from Cornamucklagh, County Louth and have not long started on my mothers side the Henrys from the Castleblaney, Armagh area.
If we are correct my great great grandfather William Henry from Castleblaney married Mary Ann Beggs second daughter of the late William Beggs of Armagh in Castlecaulfield church in 1832.
The witnesses being Dr. Henry King her brother in law and we think your Thomas Beggs who at the time was in business with William Henry in Dundalk importing timber from Canada/America and was possibly her cousin.
Would love to hear from you or anybody else with any information that would confirm that William Henry and Mary Ann Beggs were my great great grandparents.
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What does 'according to Cantwell mean'?
The late Brian Cantwell went through all the known old graveyards of Wicklow and Wexford in the 1980s, and transcribed all the visible/readable memorial inscriptions pre-dating 1880 (which he found/noticed - he was not 100% inclusive)
That is very interesting.....thank you I had heard of Brian Cantwell but had not realised about his Opus. Find my Past has it.
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Hi annmikemcd, I replied to your private message. I didn’t realize that you had posted here as well. Sorry that our Beggs don’t seem to be connected. Good luck with your research.
Peggy
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There is some misleading information here about postings of Peggy13. Each reply counts as one post and there could be up to 47 replies, back and forth, on one query which someone could miscontrue as 47 separate queries.
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That is correct. The counter reflects the number of times you have both posted a new request & posted a reply. The reply can be on any post - not just your own.
Each reply counts as one post and there could be up to 47 replies, back and forth, on one query which someone could miscontrue as 47 separate queries.
It does not count replies by others on your posts - only your own replies
If you access your profile from the brown toolbar & then click on “Show Stats” or "Show Posts" you will be able to go back to the first post you made & then use that to count the number of actual new posts made since then - excluding the replies. Your Stats count is showing you have raised 579 new topics
You will recall on my reply 11 on the post below I mentioned you had made 22 new posts since 1st June 2022
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=863840.msg7335695#msg7335695
I think the point being made in the replies to that post was that your high counter was made up from the extremely high number of individual posts made by yourself.
You will note my counter is almost 67,000 but in the 17yrs since I joined RC I doubt I have made a dozen requests for help. The vast majority is replies to requests for help from others
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Statistic can be misleading but "Each reply counts as one post and there could be up to 47 replies, back and forth, on one query which someone could miscontrue as 47 separate queries." doesn't take into account the various threads which contain more than one request for information.
As an experiment I looked at my posts- 292 topics that I started BUT
-76 were resources that I posted (mostly on resource boards and most of them have multiple resources in each post)
-10 were some sort of technical help/query
-101 were research for other people (my uncle's Danish relatives, an elderly friend's family tree that I've been helping with for over 30 years, another friend researching WWI soldiers, etc.)
-19 'other' which were misc. topics not for my own research
which leaves 84 threads for my own personal research but this is over the course of 16 years which means an average of 5.25 a year (a few of these were on the Photo board asking for dating or restoration)
For my own research I do purchase credits from GRONI & Scotland's People and take advantage of free resources, special offers and free searches on pay sites. I do not have subscriptions to Ancestry, Find My Past, etc. (these would be lovely to have but I manage without).
Absolutely nothing wrong with asking for help. There are times I've struggled to find information, have asked for help & people have generously taken the time to look further for me to either find the 'missing' information, point me in the right direction so I could continue or confirm the details were missing.
However, there is a clear pattern of constant requests and many times the information can be found with resources that are available to you and makes it seem as you want everyone else to find information immediately for you rather than spending more time doing what you should be perfectly able to do yourself.