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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: Clare Fowler on Thursday 08 December 05 14:31 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone had any connections to the name AITCHISON (or variant of) in the Roxburghshire area? Especially, the children of James Aitchison and Helen Brydon - Margaret b. 1768, Elizabeth b1770, Agnes b.1772, Thomas b.1774, Isabel(la) b. 1777, Christian b.1780.
Do any of these sound familiar to anyone?
Cheers,
Clare
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Margeret Aitchison is the name of my 5xGreatgrandmother.She married John Scott in Lilliesleaf Rox. in 1819.They had Sara 1819,John 1821,William 1823 & Walter 1825.
That's all I know about her really,no idea of parents name although will look at OPR to see if there is any other info
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Hi there,
That would be great. Isabella is my direct ancestor, but I have very little information about her, other than her will. It is a bit of a leap of faith, but I think she is the same Isabella as in the family I have posted. I am hoping that I can 'prove' this eventually, but she is proving a little elusive.
Cheers,
Clare
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Hi Clare,
I am researching Aitcheson ancestors as well and until recently had thought that James Aitcheson and Helen Brydon were my family as well. However, I have moved the emphasis of my search to the Dunbar area of East Lothian after having found my Elspeth Aitcheson - James Hill Marriage (my 4x great grandparents) in 1803 after several years searching. This still isn't to distant as far as I can tell, so whether their is an earlier connecton or not I don't know.
Regards
David
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Hi David,
To be honest, I am not entirely sure who my Isabella belongs to. I know she was in Castleton in 1811, as this is when and where her son's birth is registered. I am pretty sure that I have found a will for her in Commonside, Teviothead in 1849, and think I have tracked her down to a similar location in the 1841 census.
She mentions the following people as beneficiaries in her will...
'Janet Aitchison, wife of John Douglas, weaver in Hawick'
'Thomas Aitchison, Shoemaker in Langholm',
'Margaret Elliot, servant at Commonside' and
'William Elliot, Shepherd at Kershope' (this one is her son)
I assume that the first 2 are siblings, but haven't tracked them down yet.
Cheers,
Clare
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Hi Clare,
Okay, I have a few questions if thats alright?
1. When and/or where was your Isabella born/christened? Do you know?
2. Although I have visited Yetholm & Morebattle once (about five years ago!) my geographical knowledge of the area is severely limited. Therefore is Castleton nearby and where also is Commonside, Teviothead?
Just briefly my Aitcheson's are possibly from Morham, East Lothian and following the marriage of my 4x Gt Grandparents James and Elspeth Hill (Nee Aitcheson) in Dunbar, East Lothian in 1803, they disappear before resurfacing between 1819 & 1821 in Yetholm where two sons are born, James and Elspeth then disappear again!! (At this point in time I still have nothing on the periods of disappearance.)
I will share what Aitcheson details I have shortly, when I have got it altogether myself!!
Regards
David
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Hi David,
I have no idea when Isabella was born. I do know that she had a son in 1811, so I assume that she was in 1795 at the latest, probably earlier. I don't know the names of her parents or any siblings, although I guess that the Aitchison names in the will may be relations - possibly siblings.
For locations of parishes, rather than me trying to explain (and making lots of mistakes! :)), this link shows a good diagram of where they all are http://www.scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-borders.htm
Cheers,
Clare
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Hi there,
Further to the above, I have now found Thomas Aitchison (as mentioned in the will) in the 1851 and 1861 census, and his death certificate from 1865. This shows his parents as James Aitchison and Helen Brydon.
I have had a search on SP and (although I can't see the images of the OPR itself) and have found 6 children that appear to be correct (surname given as ATCHISON).
They are
MARGRET 15/11/1768,
ELIZABETH 22/07/1770,
AGNAS 23/07/1772,
THOMAS 03/12/1774,
ISABLE 15/07/1777
CHRISTON 04/03/1780
I am hoping that the Isable listed is my Isabella. I am almost 100% convinced that the Thomas Aitchison listed in the will, is the Thomas here, and I think it makes sense to assume that he is her brother.
Interestingly, if this is the correct Isable/Isabella, she would have been 72 when she died (not unrealistic, Thomas lived to 89), and 34 when she had William, her son.
I still don't know who the Janet Aitchison, wife of John Douglas, is but hopefully I can work it out.
Cheers,
Clare
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Hi Clare,
My Aitchison's are as follows:
Helen Aitchison b. 29th March 1768, Morham, East Lothian.
Christian Aitchison b. 13th April 1770, Morham, East Lothian.
Marrion Aitchison b. 28th April 1772, Morham, East Lothian.
Betty Aitchison b. 14th May 1773, Morham, East Lothian.
Stewart Aitcheson b. 14th June 1778, Moreham, East Lothian.
Parents of all the above are James Aitchison & Euphans Fife ( this I believe to be Euphemia as it appears to be a family name!)
Elizabeth Aitchison m James Hill (my 4x Gt Grandparents) on 8th April 1803 in Dunbar, East Lothian.
At this time James and Elizabeth disappear until resurfacing in 1819 in Yetholm, Roxburghshire where 2 sons are born:
Ninian Hill b. 18th July 1819, Yetholm, Roxburghshire.
George Hill b 14th December 1821, Yetholm Roxburghshire. (My 3x Gt Grandfather)
Parents of the above are James Hill & Elspath Aitchison.
As yet I have been unable to find any other children fo James and Elspath, despite long hours of looking!!
James And Elspeth then vanish again!!
There seems to be matching names in our Aitchison families i.e Helen, Christian, Elizabeth/Betty/Elspath etc. I wonder if the two James's are perhaps cousins and that the connection (I feel sure that there is one!) is perhaps a generation further back, after all these Aitchison's are all pretty much in the same area!!
What do you think!!
Regards
David
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Hi David,
I think that is a very plausible theory! As I said, I m convinced that Thomas Aitchison is the son of James Aitchison and Helen Brydon. I am going to pursue this lead, and hopefully we can get a connection between the 2 James!
Cheers,
Clare
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Hi Clare,
Further to my last post, I've just been using the IGI on the Familysearch website and come up with the following:
James Aitchison m Euphenia Fife 15th Nov 1760 in Canongate, Midlothian.
Both born 1735 & 1739 respectively in the same place!!
Is Canongate in the Edinburgh area or am I way out!!
I have a gut feeling that there is a connection between our Aitchison families, I've just got to figure out where!!
Regards,
David
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Hi David,
Canongate is indeed in Edinburgh.
Cheers,
Clare
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Hi there,
As an update, I have now pretty much 'confirmed' (as much as possible) that Thomas Aitchison (shoemaker in Langholm) and 'my' Isabella Aitchison are siblings, with James Aitchison and Helen Brydon their parents.
Now I am trying to track down Janet Aitchison, wife of John Douglas, weaver in Hawick. There appear to be 2 John Douglas in the 1841 census for Hawick who are weavers and have wives called Janet!
Cheers,
Clare
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Isn't IGI great! I think we have further proof that you're on the right track. If you go to IGI and key in child's name Helen Douglas (the name of Thomas AND (I'm sure!) your Isabella's mother) and then parents John Douglas and Janet Aitcheson (as per Isabella's will) you have the birth of a Helen in Hawick. These are submitted details, 4 entries including birth/parents/spouse/death. This is the only child showing for this couple.
Regards.
Monica
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Hello,
Sorry to cut in, as I was browsing the board, Came across your conversation, I have a Janet Aitchison in my tree born 1843 her mother is a Jane Aitchison Born Scotland abt 1812. they are on the 1881 census for Lancashire Janet is 38, and her is 69. Janet married into the Dunn Family, Liverpool, William, who was a Ship's Sail Maker. Do either of you think there is a connection.
Regards
Mary Ellen
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Hi Mary Ellen,
I am not sure there is a connection or not. I am still trying to track down 'my' Jane to see when she was born. I will keep this in mind though so that when I do track her down, I can let you know if there is a match.
Cheers,
Clare
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Hi Monica,
I can't seem to marry this up with SP unfortunately ??? And unfortunately the ones that I have seen on IGI are submitted rather than extracted so I can't rely on them.
To complicate matters, I found a marriage for a John Douglas and a Jane Aitchison in Cavers in 1831 on IGI but again, I can't marry that back to SP. This would also have Jane(t) being more of the age of a niece to Isabella - which is always a possibility.
I think I am just going to have to get myself to NRH and get searching!!
Cheers,
Clare
Isn't IGI great! I think we have further proof that you're on the right track. If you go to IGI and key in child's name Helen Douglas (the name of Thomas AND (I'm sure!) your Isabella's mother) and then parents John Douglas and Janet Aitcheson (as per Isabella's will) you have the birth of a Helen in Hawick. These are submitted details, 4 entries including birth/parents/spouse/death. This is the only child showing for this couple.
Regards.
Monica
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Hi there,
Further to this, I had a look at the images of the 1841 census (rather than on Freecen) - to see if I can untangle further and see which of the 2 couples is the correct one. But it just gets more complicated. One of the couples seem to have a daughter called Isabella, which is quite interesting... but not at all conclusive!
Clare
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Hi Clare,
I don't know were Janet Aitchison was born, but will do some digging but her Mother Jane (Janet0 was definitely born in Scotland ,and both were widow in 1881 according to the 1881 census.
Good Luck and thanks for the reply.
Regards
Mary Ellen
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I too was just browsing around when I came across your message. I don't think it's the same Isabella Aitchison as the one you have been talking about, but there is an Isabella Aitchison in my tree who would have been born in the 1780s or early 1790s, and who married an Alexander Fairbairn (born Ednam) - both were from Roxburghshire and were living in the area still in 1851.
Any possible relation?
N.K.
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Hi N.K.,
'My' Isabella died in 1849 and, as far as I can tell, she was unmarried - but have no confirmation of that one way or the other. It could well be a relation, but not sure of the link.
Cheers,
Clare
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Hello from Switzerland...
I am trying to find some ancestor history for a William Aitchison, born in Edinburgh in either 1832 or 1833.
At the age of 16 he immigrated to Dunedin, New Zealand aboard the ship Mooltan in 1849. He was listed as either a Groom or a grocer. He paid his way.
He married Elizabeth Smith in the Dunedin Area in 1855.
He settled in Kaitangata and had 5 sons and 2 daughters:
Robert Aitchison
William Alfred Aitchison
George Aitchison
John Aitchison
Stephan Aitchison
Isabella Aitchison
Mary Aitchison
Any information (or correction!) are welcome about William. I have found nothing online to indicate the following:
1. His date of birth / baptism or location
2. Parents names and which Aitchison family they belong to
3. Other Aitchison siblings from this family who remained in Scotland.
Many thanks
Tony Aitchison
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I have a Helen Douglas born 1808 Roxburghshire whose parents are John Douglas and Janet Aitcheson.
Helen married James White?