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Hello everyone.
I believe my Todd ancestors came from Limavady. Can anyone advise how to go about searching the records for that area.
Regards
Kathleen
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Hi Kathleen,
do you know which years we are talking?
there is a James Todd listed as being baptised in 1814 at drumachose parish church,limavady
parents John Todd and Rachel ?
do you have anymore information?
:D
rhubarb
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Hello Rhubarb
Thank you for your email. Here is what I have so far.
From the I.G.I. I have Hugh Todd born 2 December 1865, at Articlave, Londonderry. Father is John Todd mother Jane Purdey. On the 1881 census for Thornliebank, Scotland. John is listed as Labourer in Works, age 46 born Ireland, which would make his birth circa 1835. His wife Jane is age 50 making her birth in Ireland circa 1831. Children listed are Sarah age 20, Jane age 19, and Hugh age 15 all born in Ireland. Hope this is of some help.
Regards
Kathleen
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Marriage from BVRI
Civil Reg at Antrim on 24/6/1854
Hugh Todd age 21 years to
Jane PERCY ? age 22 years
husbands father Andrew Todd
wifes father Robert Percy
audrey
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Hello Audrey
Thank you for your reply. I can't make a connection with my John Todd and Jane Purdey so far. The dates don't match up for me. My Hugh Todd married Catherine Hunter circa 1885 in Scotland. Perhaps there is a connection between my John and your Hugh, could possibly be brothers, will need to do some more research.
Regards
Kathleen
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Going through older posts and came across this one. By now you might have been able to find more information but if you haven't done so the following might be of interest.
John Todd married 1855 Co.Derry to Jane Purdy.
If the marriage didn't take place in a Catholic church you can order the marriage certificate here:
www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm
It should list names and occupations of both fathers as well as residence (townland) of bride and groom at time of the marriage.
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The marriage took place in Coleraine Registry Office:
20 Nov 1855
Groom Name John TODD
Bride Name Jane PURDY
Coleraine Civil Registrars Office
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Hello Cortinanima
Thank you very much for your information, this means I can go a step further with my Todds.
Regards
Kathleen
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kathleen, john & janes fathers were john todd & john purdy.
regards mary.
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Hello Mary
Thank you for that information, do you know anymore about them at all, I would be thankful for any information .
Regards
kathleen
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please delete this message
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At long last, the results from the DNA sample from a descendant of John Todd and Jane Purdey md 1855 Coleraine have come in.
It shows that this family is a unique family of Todds without close kin in Ireland. Their origins in Scotland are not known, but the few samples we have from Scotland do not match.
The sample was 3 markers out of 25 different from the Todds of Central Antrim(Ballyalbanagh) but usually 3 marker difference out of 25 is enough to indicate no relationship in modern history. There is a slight chance that the family IS related to the Todds of Central Antrim, but someone would have to find a second person from this family to test the DNA.
Richard
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HI folks,
We have found a baptismal record that shows that John Todd who married Jane Purdey was born in Tonduff, Cumber Lower, Co Londonderry.
So we have:
1. John Todd md Isabella Mowbray
2. John Todd b 1833 Tonduff Cumber Lower Co Londonderry died
1902 Dumbarton Scotland md 1855 Articlave Dunboe Parish
to Jane Purdy
3a. John Todd b 1858 d 1935 Thornliebank, Renfrewshire,
Scotland md 1879 Elizabeth Martin in Thornliebank
3b. Hugh Todd b 1865 Articlave, Londonderry d md
Catherine Hunter 1886
What is also interesting is that the DNA of a descendant of this family matches the DNA of a family that lived in Cumber Lower:
1aThomas Todd 1811-1886 Tonduff
1b Sister Sarah Jane Todd (possibly the Sarah Jane Todd 1817-1887)
1c Sister Isabella Todd (possibly the Isabella Todd 1820-1888)
1d Brother James Todd 1820s md Jane Craig
2aSamuel Todd 1847-1890 Gortnaran md 1874 Isabella
Collingwood (descendants came
to Toronto, Ontario
2b Isabella Todd 1843/1848 md John McKinney
2c Thomas Todd 1851
2d Sarah Jane Todd 1849/1854/1858/1856
(not sure if John is a brother or a cousin)
2e John Todd b prob 1840s d 1894 wife Margaret Nimmo
Robert Todd b 1870
Mary Todd b 1872 md MR. Curry
Equally interesintg is that there is a will that links the families of Gortnaran to Castslemellan:
NOTE: The following will links the families of James Todd d 1890 md 1840 Eleanor Ballantyne of Carrickatain, the Thomas Todd of Castlemellon (possibly the son of James) and Thomas Todd of Tonduff (presumably the Thomas who died in 1886)
I William Alexander of Mount Castle in the County of Tyrone farmer hereby revoke all will and testamentary dispositions..to see my sister Martha Alexander cofortably cared for during her life and to us so much of my property as they may consider necessary for hat purpose and at her death I will and bequeath to Mrs. Jane McClerry widow of the late Robert Mc Cleery of Balee in the county of Tyrone and her children by him the sum of 800 pounds..to Mr. John Glenn of Gortilick 800 p to Thomas Todd Castlemellon widow Sevenson Castelmellon widow Sarah Lowery Castlemellon Joseph Stgevenson of Moynagh James Todd of Carricktane, Thomas Glen of Carricka tane, John McConnll of Glengorley Major Keys near Claudy Isabeela McClay of Aidmore (sp?), James Throne of Tyrkerhaghan Thomas Todd of Tonduff John Stevenson of Cavenacreagh and James Lyons of Mountcastle 200 p each I appoint James Lyons of Mountcastle and John Stevenson of Cavenacragh both in Tyrone my executors 12 Jun 1880
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The Will of Isabella Todd late of Tonduff County Londonderry Spinster who died 18 July 1888 at same place was proved at Londonderry by James Irwin of Ballyarton said County Esquire one of the Executors.
Isabella Tod 1820-1888
I Isabella Todd of Tonduff parish of Cumber to my nephew Samuel Todd of Gortnaran y famr subject to him paying my niece Sarah Jane Todd of Gortnaran 100 p, to my niece Isabella McKinney of Killaloo I leave my gold watch and whatever sundry I may die possessed of. To John McKinney of Killaoo my niece Isabella’s husband 200 p and the residue to be divided among my nephew and nieces. I appoint James Irwin of Ballyarton and George Kennedy of Kilaloo to be executors.
10 Jun 1888
(James Irwin, her executor, was also the executor on the will of Thomas Todd.
The Will of Thomas Todd late of Tonduff County Londonderry Farmer who died 23 March 1886 at same place was proved at Londonderry by James Irwin and Hugh M'Cullagh both of Ballyarton in said County Merchant the Executors.
I Thomas Todd Tonduff. To my sisters Sarah Jane and Isabella to the survivor of that money bequeathed me by William Alexander of Mount Castle..and all any other money to my sister Isabella Todd all my farm and chattels I appoint James Irwin and HughMcCullagh Executors.
The Will of John Todd late of Tonduff Killaloo County Londonderry Gentleman who died 23 January 1894 at same place was proved at Londonderry by Robert Todd of 106 Fountain-hill Londonderry Factory Employeer and Margaret Nimmo of Tonduff Spinster the Executors.
I John Todd of Tonduff, Killaloo, Londonderry..140 p being the balance of the amount found due to me on ___ by Wm R. H. Todd __ Londonderry.. bequeath the said sum.. equally between my son Robert Todd, my daughter Mary Jane Curry otherwise Tod and my housekeeper Margaret Nimmo. And I appoint my said Son Robert and Margaret executor of my will.
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rmcmurty,
I have a little information on the Todd/McKinney family mentioned in the will.
My grandfather's brother, James Elliott of Londonderry, married Margaret McKinney, date unknown.
She was the daughter of John McKinney and Isobella Todd of Killaloo.
Margaret died in 1953 and is buried with James in Londonderry City Cemetery.
She was a JP and organiser of one of the Londonderry Feis [there used to be two i understand].
She was on the Londonderry Board of Guardians, she also carried out a lot of welfare work for the troops during the war.
In James and Margaret's grave there is buried Sgt John Todd, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, died of pnuemonia 5/1/1918.
John fought at Gallipoli and was with Sgt Somers when the latter won the Victoria Cross.
He is commemorated on Londonderry City War Memorial.
Also on the war memorial is James Todd, John's brother. He was killed at Gallipoli in 1915 and is named on the Helles memorial in Turkey.
In the 1901 census John& James are listed as grandchildren of Jon and Isobella McKinney and living in Killaloo. This is not correct.
The boys parents were Robert & Sarah Todd.
I am not sure of the actual relationship to john and Isobell. robert may be either brother or nephew to isobella.
Whatever the relationship he must have died about 1900. Sarah is not living with the two boys in the 1901 census as they are with the McKinneys'.
She is living in Belfast, boarding with a family named Johnston at 25 McCandless St, Shankill.
She is listed widow with a 7 month old daughter named Lilly.
In 1911 John& James are listed as back with their mother in Belfast, by which time she has re-married to William Hinton [ for 7 years] and has three children with him and the boys are listed as stepsons to him.
No sign of Lilly though.
Their address is 20 Summerhill St, Clifton.
Not sure how John ended back up in Londonderry, but he had been based at home for some time.
Rob
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thanks,
I suppose at some point we should try to get the birth cert for John and James and then the marriage record for Robert and Sarah Todd.
Richard
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There is some evidence that the Todds of Cumber Lower in western Londonderry of the 1800s were descended from the Todds of Banagher Parish some miles to the east of Cumber Lower. The 1740 householders census showed Adam and John Todd in Banagher; the 1831 census showed an Adam Todd in both Banagher and Cumber Lower. This could be coincidence but it could reflect kinship.
In any event, the Todds of Cumber Lower in the 1800s have been shown to be related to the Todds of Castlemellan and Carrickataine in Co Tyrone and to a branch that migrated from Cumber Lower to Articlave in Dunboe Parish in eastern Londonderry. John Todd b 1833 Toneduff married in Articlave in 1855 to Jane Purdy and their descendants migrated to Thornliebank, Renfrewshire, Scotland and some migrated to New Zealand. The James Todd who married Anna Craig had a son Samuel Craig Todd 1847-1890 whose descendants migrated to Ontario Canada. Some of the Castlemellan Todds migrated to the town of Londonderry.
Based on post-1858 wills, it appears that the Todds of Tonduff Co . Cumber Lower Parish, County Londonderry and the Todds of Castlemellan/Carrickitain, County Tyrone share a common ancestor. A William Alexander Mount Castle in Co Tyrone made bequests to both families in his 1880 will.
The family in Tonduff appears to consist of 4 siblings. They seem to be kin of some sort to the James Todd who married 1840 to Eleanor Ballantyne who lived in Castlemellon, Co Tyrone. This James would have been the right age to have been a cousin to the four siblings below.
Thomas Todd 1811-1886 Tonduff
Sister Sarah Jane Todd (possibly the Sarah Jane Todd 1817-1887)
Sister Isabella Todd (possibly the Isabella Todd 1820-1888)
Brother James Todd 1820s md Jane Craig
Samuel Todd 1847-1890 Gortnaran md 1874 Isabella Collingwood (descendants came
to Toronto, Ontario
Isabella Todd 1843/1848 md John McKinney
Margaret McKinney d 1953 md James Elliott
Thomas Todd 1851
Sarah Jane Todd 1849/1854/1858/1856
(not sure if John is a brother or a cousin)
John Todd b prob 1840s d 1894 wife Margaret Nimmo
Robert Todd b 1870 md Sarah LNU
?John Todd b 1896 d 1918
?James Todd b 1894 d 1915 Gallipoli
Mary Todd b 1872 md MR. Curry
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I have an interest in Todd-Kincaid connections. In the 1831 census of Toneduff is your Thomas Todd and Adam Todd. Also in this townland at the same time is the family of Elizabeth Kincade.
Of further interest is the William Kincade (c1795-1883) who came from a few miles outside of Londonderry to Adelaide township, Middlesex County, Ontario in the 1840s. Also arriving in Adelaide township, about 1834, were Anthony Todd and his wife Isabella. They were born about 1785. Anthony dies and Isabella is living right beside William Kincade in the 1851 census and 1861 census. It is unknown if Anthony and Isabella had any children. Isabella is a suspected sister of William Kincade because he names one of his sons Anthony; a name not found among Kincaids prior to this. There were only a couple of Kincaid families in County Londonderry in the 1830s.
Another Todd-Kincaid connection is Elizabeth Kinkead, sister of William Kinkead, chamberlain of Coleraine, who married Andrew Todd of Shane's Castle, County Antrim. She died in 1750 at the age of 35.
I thought I'd note these tidbits in case they may someday prove useful in your research.
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curious about the Kinkead connection. We assume that the family of Andrew Todd of Shane's castle who came from Coleraine are close kin to the Todds of Dunluce who rented from the family of Andrew Todd. The DNA of this group does not match the Todds of Toneduff.
Have you ever found a death certificate for Isabella Kinkead Todd?
Richard
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There was also an Andrew Todd in the Ballykelly area. The Court Minute Books for the Fishmongers Estate records that on 28 October 1829 a weekly pension of 1 shilling 6 pence was granted to Andrew Todd (p. 121 of vol. 14). I am not sure who he was.
In case you did not have this, there were 30 families in the 1831 census of Toneduff giving a total of 170 inhabitants of which 18 were servants. The heads of households were Samuel McCoomb, James Riddles, John Riddles, David Riddles, Robert Riddles, John McGlinchy, Thomas Brown, Elizabeth Kincade, James Laughlin, James Nixon, Robert Miller, James McLaughlin, John Deens, John Hamilton, Andrew Nixon, Thomas Nixon, Thomas Mitchell, Mary Mitchell, Rev. James Allison, William Gardner senior, Thomas Todd, James McTeely, Charles McCarter, William Gardner junior, William Hamilton, Christy Ruth, Adam Todd, Oliver Scott, James Molloy, and Thomas Ruth.
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Hi ,
Ballykelly (where Andrew Todd appeared in 1829) looks like it lies about 2 miles west of Limavady and Ballydarrog where Todds lived in the 1740s lay about 2 miles SW of LImavady and about two miles from Ballykelly. Daisy Hill where John Todd appears in the 1831 census lies about 1.5 miles east of Ballydarrog (about 4 miles from Ballykelly). So it is conceivable that all these Todds were related.
Richard
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curious about the Kinkead connection. We assume that the family of Andrew Todd of Shane's castle who came from Coleraine are close kin to the Todds of Dunluce who rented from the family of Andrew Todd. The DNA of this group does not match the Todds of Toneduff.
Have you ever found a death certificate for Isabella Kinkead Todd?
Richard
Isabella Todd died between 1861 and 1871. We have not located a death record for her. We are looking for more information in land and probate records. It is not certain that she is a Kinkead - she is suspected to be a sister of William Kinkead of Adelaide township, Middlesex County, Ontario.
I get the impression that Andrew Todd of Shane's Castle was the son of Daniel and Susanna Todd of Coleraine. There is a link between Andrew Todd of Shane's Castle to Dunluce in PRONI, D2738/2/2. I don't think Andrew Todd held Shane's Castle. It seems he was simply holding it in the absence of Charles O'Neil [See Belfast Newsletter & Advertiser 26 March 1761]. Andrew Todd, merchant of Coleraine gets a lease of lands in the barony of Dunluce on 1 June 1750 [PRONI, D2977/3A/1/4/6] which were the same lands leased to Susanna Todd, widow of Coleraine, circa 1740 [PRONI, D2977/3A/3/1/89].
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1. Daniel Todd d 1737 Coleraine, Londonderry
The Daniel Todd d 1737 family is interesting because:
a. This family was part of the second tier of Irish landed aristocracy. They were merchants who had acquired long term land leases from the Earl of Antrim and sold those leases while collecting rents from them.
b. Elizabeth Todd, dau of Daniel, married into the Patterson family of Donegal and eventually her brother’s descendants came into possession of Buncrana Castle of Co Donegal.
c. Andrew Todd b abt 1720, son of Daniel d 1737, came to be a key business agent for the Earl of Antrim. Andrew’s protégé, John Todd b 1766, a great grandson of Daniel d 1737, took over this role sometime after his great-uncles demise. This John died at the age of 37 at Harrogate where he had gone to dip in the famous spas there in the hopes of recovering his health.
d. Daniel’s grandson Isaac Todd 1742-1819 became wealthy through his involvement in the fur trade in Canada. Isaac sent his nephew Andrew Todd to New Orleans to try to break into the fur trade of the upper Missouri and Missisippi Rivers, but Andrew contracted yellow fever and died there a young man in 1796.
e. Andrew Todd d 1787 leased land to the Todd families in Ballywillin of Londonderry and Antrim and in Dunluce of Antrim. These Todd families were probably some kin to Daniel Todd d 1737. These Todds also were genetically related to the family of Andrew Todd b 1740s d1795, the surgeon of Co Sligo, to the family of Todds who settled in Co Down in the 1600s, to the Todds of Castlederg Co Tyrone. These Todds were also genetically related to the Todds of Dreghorn Ayrshire, suggesting a possible Ayrshire origin for all these families.
Daniel’s immediate family lived in Coleraine and Killowen, but his son Andrew moved to Shane’s Castle near Randalstown in the 1760s to be agent to the Earl of Antrim and his daughter Elizabeth moved to Donegal where her husband’s family William Patterson lived. His son Isaac remained in the Coleraine area (Killowen) and suffered financial losses requiring his sale of some of his property, but Isaac’s son Daniel may have moved also to Randalstown after 1768 and it may be his son John who became agent of the Earl of Antrim after Andrew Todd’s death in 1787.
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Richard,
The location of the estate, once known as Daisy Hill, lies about 2 miles NNE of Ballydarrog and immediately to the west of Limavady. It is bounded in the north by the old road from Limavady to Londonderry, in the east by the River Roe, in the south by the minor road leading from what is now Drumrane Road to the ford at Roe mill and in the west by Drumrane and Baranailt roads.
The estate was originally known as Mullagh and when it was bought by Marcus McCausland in 1743 the name was changed to Daisy Hill. It was later bought by John Cromie of Portstewart in 1817 and called Roe Park, the name it retained.
Regards
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At long last, the results from the DNA sample from a descendant of John Todd and Jane Purdey md 1855 Coleraine have come in.
It shows that this family is a unique family of Todds without close kin in Ireland. Their origins in Scotland are not known, but the few samples we have from Scotland do not match.
The sample was 3 markers out of 25 different from the Todds of Central Antrim(Ballyalbanagh) but usually 3 marker difference out of 25 is enough to indicate no relationship in modern history. There is a slight chance that the family IS related to the Todds of Central Antrim, but someone would have to find a second person from this family to test the DNA.
Richard
Be careful with DNA interpretations. I've been following this technology since the beginning in terms of its use for genealogical purposes. A 25 marker test is quite useless. You need at least 37 markers to get a sense of how the family fits within the surname and 67 markers to pin down. My father was 3 mutations away from his 2nd cousin on 25 markers, and 1 mutation away from his 1st cousin on 25 markers (2 on 37 markers). It was only by working the family tree (2nd cousins and 3rd cousins) that the mutations were isolated to prove the DNA relationships. Three mutations in a 25 marker test does not disprove distant connections for lines going back to the 1700s. One needs to bump these up to 67 markers and compare it against other Todds in the same cluster.
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HI,
The DNA sample from Douglas Todd of Ontario, desc of Samuel Todd 1847-1890 (son of James b abt 1820) of Gortanaran, Cumber Lower, Co Londonderry was an exact 25 marker match with the same from George Couts Todd of New Zealand, desc of John Todd born Toneduff (son of John Todd and Isabella Mowbray). The latest possible common ancestor for these two would have been an unknown Todd b about 1780.
Of the 120 Todd dna samples I have accumulated over the past 8 years, I have never found a 3 mutation out of 25 being a close kin which only means that this is rare not that it never happens. My own personal DNA test shows 2 mutations in 2 generations which is something I have never seen in other samples.
I have seen people with 2 mutations of 25 been proved to be close kin through additional upgrades to more markers and I have seen people with 2 mutations out of 25 been proved to increase their genetic distance with increased markers - meaning they are not close kin.
So I agree with the value of additional markers but disagre e about how often we would expect a 3 mutation out of 25 to be close kin.
Richard
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HI,
Based on the excellent information you provided, I made a small map of the Ballykelly, Ballydarrog, Daisy Hill area. It looks like Ballykelley is 3 miles from Ballydarrog and Daisy Hill and as you say, that Daisy Hill is only 2.2 miles to Ballydarrog. These are all very close to each other and perhaps these Todds are all kin to each other, though we have insufficient information to show this to be anything more than a reasonable conjecture.
Thanks for the details.!
Richard
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I have seen people with 2 mutations of 25 been proved to be close kin through additional upgrades to more markers and I have seen people with 2 mutations out of 25 been proved to increase their genetic distance with increased markers - meaning they are not close kin.
So I agree with the value of additional markers but disagree about how often we would expect a 3 mutation out of 25 to be close kin.
Richard
I set up the Kincaid DNA project years ago and have followed things closely since. I agree that this is a matter of statistical probabilities and low mutation counts are expected for closer relatives. However, while you get clustering about the mean there are bound to be anomalies. My point is that one can't simply look at two samples being a little out and conclude that two samples don't have a common ancestor within the last couple of hundred years. In my case the CDY and 464a-d markers proved volatile. I would not make any definitive conclusions without 1) having at least 37 markers tested 2) looking at the paper documentation and 3) comparing the samples against all samples in the cluster for the surname - using a software like Fluxus. DNA is a valuable genealogical tool, but it can't be used superficially.
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HI,
Its a pleasure to find someone who has looked so closely at their DNA data!
IN my case, I had 43 samples in my Group 1 of my Todd families (related to Mary Todd Lincoln wife of President Abraham Lincoln) which all had the 12-14-15-16 pattern and for which I had 2 samples with 12-14-15-16-16 and 2 samples in which one of the 4 numbers differed.
In my group 2, 31 samples - I had only two that had a single digit variation in the 464 pattern of 13-14-15-16.
I had more volatility in my CDY patterns.
Richard
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My name is Ken Todd and I am doing my 'Todd' family research here in Canada. It seems that you and others have a wealth of Todd information! I have a Samuel C. Todd (and that could be a G.) that was born in approximately 1844 in Ireland. He shows up in Canada in Madoc, Ontario in the 1881 census and is married to a Mary Matilda Mountenay on August 15th 1878. His parents (assuming Ireland) names were John and Mary. Does any of this information line up with anything that you have seen? Any information would be greatly appreciated!
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HI Ken,
Given that Samuel's birth is prior to Civil Registration of Births and that he was not married in Ireland, one way to narrow down his origin in Ireland is to do a DNA test.
If you send me a private jmessage with your email, I can send you the DNA study or if you google (Toddentrancefinal) and search the DNA files, you will find the online version of the Irish Todd DNA study.
Richard
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HI folks,
We have found a baptismal record that shows that John Todd who married Jane Purdey was born in Tonduff, Cumber Lower, Co Londonderry.
So we have:
1. John Todd md Isabella Mowbray
2. John Todd b 1833 Tonduff Cumber Lower Co Londonderry died
1902 Dumbarton Scotland md 1855 Articlave Dunboe Parish
to Jane Purdy
3a. John Todd b 1858 d 1935 Thornliebank, Renfrewshire,
Scotland md 1879 Elizabeth Martin in Thornliebank
3b. Hugh Todd b 1865 Articlave, Londonderry d md
Catherine Hunter 1886
What is also interesting is that the DNA of a descendant of this family matches the DNA of a family that lived in Cumber Lower:
1aThomas Todd 1811-1886 Tonduff
1b Sister Sarah Jane Todd (possibly the Sarah Jane Todd 1817-1887)
1c Sister Isabella Todd (possibly the Isabella Todd 1820-1888)
1d Brother James Todd 1820s md Jane Craig
2aSamuel Todd 1847-1890 Gortnaran md 1874 Isabella
Collingwood (descendants came
to Toronto, Ontario
2b Isabella Todd 1843/1848 md John McKinney
2c Thomas Todd 1851
2d Sarah Jane Todd 1849/1854/1858/1856
(not sure if John is a brother or a cousin)
2e John Todd b prob 1840s d 1894 wife Margaret Nimmo
Robert Todd b 1870
Mary Todd b 1872 md MR. Curry
Equally interesintg is that there is a will that links the families of Gortnaran to Castslemellan:
NOTE: The following will links the families of James Todd d 1890 md 1840 Eleanor Ballantyne of Carrickatain, the Thomas Todd of Castlemellon (possibly the son of James) and Thomas Todd of Tonduff (presumably the Thomas who died in 1886)
I William Alexander of Mount Castle in the County of Tyrone farmer hereby revoke all will and testamentary dispositions..to see my sister Martha Alexander cofortably cared for during her life and to us so much of my property as they may consider necessary for hat purpose and at her death I will and bequeath to Mrs. Jane McClerry widow of the late Robert Mc Cleery of Balee in the county of Tyrone and her children by him the sum of 800 pounds..to Mr. John Glenn of Gortilick 800 p to Thomas Todd Castlemellon widow Sevenson Castelmellon widow Sarah Lowery Castlemellon Joseph Stgevenson of Moynagh James Todd of Carricktane, Thomas Glen of Carricka tane, John McConnll of Glengorley Major Keys near Claudy Isabeela McClay of Aidmore (sp?), James Throne of Tyrkerhaghan Thomas Todd of Tonduff John Stevenson of Cavenacreagh and James Lyons of Mountcastle 200 p each I appoint James Lyons of Mountcastle and John Stevenson of Cavenacragh both in Tyrone my executors 12 Jun 1880
In a previous post I made in this thread I noted a William Kincade of Adelaide township, Middlesex County, Ontario, Canada who lived next to a Anthony and Isabella Todd. A descendant of William Kincade, Karl Kincade, is doing some research on these Todds and he located a Will abstract for Anthony Todd and Karl says it notes his sister Ann and brother-in-law John Ballantine of Donagheady Parish, County Tyrone. There is a further link to Donagheady Parish with John and Nancy Ballantine from Greystone (Cavancreagh) who settled in Lambton County, Ontario (adjacent to Adelaide, Middlesex County). We seem to have a circle of relations here. Todds of Castlemellon are linked to the Todds of Toneduff, County Londonderry. In the early 1800s we have an Elizabeth Kincade of Toneduff and Kincades in Donagheady Parish (two married into the Glenns). Add in the Ballantines of Cavancreagh. These are exciting new leads!
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Could you tell me how I could contact Karl Kincade? I'd like to see the abstract for anthony Todd.
Richrad McMurtry
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Richard, I will send you a private message about the abstract.
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Hello
Thomas Walker Todd of Castlemellon, Co Tyrone is my great grandfather. My father did a lot of work on his family history in the 1980s/90s and I am trying to follow up any leads. Thamos married twice - first Hannah Cunningham (I am not aware of any children from this marriage) and then Sarah Jane Hall.
Thomas's father was James Todd who married Eleanor Ballantine from Ardlough. Eleanor's parents were Thomas Ballantine and Jane Walker. James's parents were, we think Stephen Todd and Jane ?. This may be the same Stephen of whom it was reported in the Strabane Morning Post of Tuesday 10 January 1837
"On Thursday last, we understand, some persons attacked the house of Stephen Todd, Castlemellon, near this town; and on a woman opening the door, she was struck with a stone and fell. Todd, seeing his servant knocked down, was preparing to load his gun for protection, when one of the party fired into the house, and shot him. He survived until Saturday, when he expired."
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Nice to hear from you MarjorieS.
Just to be clear, your great grandfather was the Thomas Walker Todd that PRONI has being of Greerstown, Cullion, County Londonderry and who died on 16 January 1907. Furthermore, his mother was Eleanor Ballantine of Ardlough, Clondermot Parish, County Londonderry. Is she the Ellen mentioned as a daughter in the Will of Thomas Ballantine of Ardlough who died on 9 March 1857 (who also had children Thomas (merchant of Clooney Mills, Waterside), Robert Alexander, Elizabeth (m. William Ramage), John, Joseph, Jane and William)? Is Thomas Ballantine's wife the Jane Walker Ballantine of Ardlough who PRONI has dying on 27 April 1928?
PRONI has the probate of your James Todd of Castlemellon with letters of admin granted to his son Thomas Walker Todd on 6 March 1878 (he having died on 10 October 1877).
Do you have anything on the family of Thomas' wife Hannah Cunningham and wife Sarah Jane Hall?
Best wishes!
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Hi
Yes, Thomas Walker Todd died in Greerstown in 1907. That is where I grew up and some family members still live in the area. Thomas Ballantine did die on 9 March 1857. I haven't seen his will - is it in PRONI? The only siblings I have for Eleanor Ballantine are William b1805 d1885, Eliza b1810, d1903 (m William Ramage) and Jane (m William Gibson) - do the other ones you mentioned come from the will?
Jane Walker m Thomas Ballantine is not the one who died in 1928. According to my records, she died on 10/12/1866. Family tradition has it that she was the great great grand daughter of George Walker, Governor of Derry during the siege and I have a tentative line back to him.
Hannah Cunningham was born 1/1/1849 and died in 1896 in Omagh. Her parents were Samuel John Cunningham, a farmer of New Buildings and Jane Ferguson. Hannah was the second of 11 children.
Sarah Jane Hall was born 17/6/1863 in Drumagore, Londonderry and died 31/1/1951 in Greerstown. Her parents were James Hall of Drumagore and later Rockfield, Burt, Co Donegal and Elizabeth Bond of Disertowen.
She had four children with Thomas Walker Todd:
James Walker Todd b 27/8/1898, d 7/2/1986
Ellen Elizabeth (Nellie) Todd b 6/12/1901, d13/6/1926
John Hall Todd b22/2/1904, d 18/11/1905
Thomas Todd b16/2/1907, d 3/10/1987
James Walker Todd married Mary Steen (Maisie) Watson on 12/6/1933 and they had 7 children
Thomas was the only other one to marry. He married Ethel Ellen Robinson on 3/10/1950. They had no children.
Marjorie
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Yes Thomas Ballantine's Will is online. You can find it by searching his name at:
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearch.aspx
You can use this for other family members as well. Try simply putting Ardlough in the full abstract box.
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MarjorieS: Is there any family tradition of relatives moving to Canada in the 1800s?
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Samuel John Cunningham's (died 19 January 1889, of Primity) Will is also on PRONI. It mentions wife Jane, daughters Mary Ann and Rebecca, ad sons Andrew, John and David B. (apparently a law clerk in Londonderry). David's probate is noted on PRONI. He died on 20 June 1917.
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Not to Canada, but Thamas Walker Todd (b 1846, d 1907) had a brother, William, who emigrated to America. He fought in the American Civil War and was wounded and taken prisoner at the Battle of Bull Run / Manassar on 21/7/1861, He had two children Mary Jane and William who lived in Elizabethtown, New York. Mary Jane was a spinster, and in touch with the family until her death in the mid 1950s.
Marjorie
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HI Marjorie,
IN 1880, we find William Todd born Ireland 1840 living is Elizabethtown, Essex Co NY.
William Todd 40 Ireland
Mary A. Todd 32 New York
Eliza A. Todd 13
Catherine Todd 8
John Todd 83 Ireland
Curiously, in 1870, there was another Irish couple living there on the same page of the census as William Todd b 1839
John Todd 70 b Ireland
Jane Todd 60 b Ireland
William Todd 29 b Ireland
Mary A Todd 22 b NY
Lizzey Todd 3 b NY
This William Todd appeared in the 1890 Veterans schedule, confirming his participation in the Civil War:
William Todd, Private, enlisted1861, discharged1863, Home (1890): Elizabethtown, Essex, New York
Company K, 38th Regt NY volunteers, Wounded in Right Side(sp?)
In 1860, we find William living with John and Jane Todd in Lewis, Essex Co NY
John Todd 55 b 1805 Ireland
Jane Todd 55 b 1805 Ireland
William Todd 21 b 1839 Ireland
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Topic split as the topic owner is no longer receiving updates on this thread.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=721989.new#new
Sarah
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I have been reading this chat line with interest as I have been attempting to find my Irish ancestors. My great, great grandfather Thomas Richard Todd was born about 1798 in Londonderry; He married an Isabella Willson and emigrated to Canada in 1832. Perusing this chat line it seems that there were a number of Todds in the Limavady-Ballydarrog area, but I don't know if this is the Irish origin of my family.
I would appreciate any assistance in beginning this search as I am new to this process. When I search the name the UK/ Irish census more than two thousand names appear!!
Again I would greatly appreciate any insights from those of you who have already been involved.
Thanks
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Hi Todd,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
There was a newer reply on the other topic that I had split off from this topic because we have lost contact with Kathleen who was researching this line of the family.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=721989.new#new
Regards
Sarah