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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: Puggy on Friday 16 December 05 05:55 GMT (UK)
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I am researching the family of Reverend John Wright rector of Killeevan Parish Church in the early to mid 1800s. His wife was Mary Sloane and his children were Caroline Wright who married John Shaw, Elizabeth, and William Wright.
William had entered Trinity College Dublin about 1819. He committed a crime and was Transported for Life to Australia in 1829. He absconded in 1833. I believe he married a Jane ?Nixon not long after entering TCD and may have had children before being Transported to Australia.
Any help with this research will be greatly appreciated.
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Puggy:
Here is a link to extensive genealogy of Wright family in Monaghan. Perhaps you can find something of value. http://www.user.dccnet.com/s.brown/familytree/john_wright.htm
Good luck,
Pat
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Hi Pat,
Many thanks for your prompt reply. I have however, seen this site before, and even though I think there is a connection, there is no evidence of the family of Rev. John Wright and his wife Mary Sloane.
I have done a lot of work here in Australia, but am having trouble finding more about the family in Ireland. Some of the convict records I have of William Nixon Wright in Australia before he absconded in 1833, suggest that his wife Jane arrived with her children in 1830. I have her arrival, but the ship's record does not nave a record of children.
There is a lot more to this, but I realise that I now have to try research in Monaghan as the next option.
Sincere thanks again.
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Good luck in your quest Puggy.
If we can help, just shout!
Pat
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Thanks again Pat. I don't suppose you would have access to the Church of Ireland records for the early 1800s, or perhaps College records of Trinity College Dublin?
TCD have let me know that William Nixon Wright did not graduate and that there may be some information available in student records etc. I have a copy of a letter from Rev. John Wright saying that his son had brought shame on the family while in College, had made a most imprudent marriage and must have been insane at the time. Rev. Wright was begging for clemency for the his son.
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Sorry Puggy, I don't. Maybe someone in Dublin could help out so you might want to post a request on the Dublin Board.
If there was a lot of scandal involved, and it seems there was, perhaps some mention was made in newspapers then. Here is a link to some abstracts. Although Monaghan is not listed, that doesn't mean it is not covered, only that no papers from Monaghan are included.
http://www.irelandoldnews.com/index.html
Pat
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Thanks Pat. Worth a try. I will plod on hoping to make a breakthrough and will follow your advice.
Regards :-*
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Pat,
I have just checked the Newry Commercial Telegraph, and have found my man. It seems that he was a rogue who used the alias Nugent, but was identified as the son of Rev. Wright. One of the articles also stated that he had at least two-three children.
Still can't find his marriage however, but will keep looking.
Thanks again for your help.
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Puggy:
That was wonderful news! Keep at it, you will get there.
Let us know how it goes, please.
Pat
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Thanks Pat
I guess the only way I can approach this now is to see the records myself.
We are thinking of spending some time in Ireland and Scotland the first half of next year, which will help with my research. ::)
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Hello Puggy,
Have you seen this site www.mctriangle.com/index.php ???
Christopher
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Hello Puggy,
Have you seen this site www.mctriangle.com/index.php ???
Christopher
Searching Wrights too, went to mctrjange but where do I register?
Mainly Wright/Swan(n)/Hall/Dudgeon links..
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Hello hallmark,
Welcome to RootsChat.
Have you posted a message to David McIlveen-Wright who is the Webmaster of the site? The link below shows his contact address.
www.mctriangle.com/index.php?option=com_contact&Itemid=3
Christopher
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Can't see anywhere to register on the site either and this website might not have been updated lately but you could try sending David an email through this site:
www.coleraine-fhs.org.uk/index.php?option=com_contact&Itemid=3
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Sent him an email. The site was set up in 2004, maybe he thinks there is no interest as no one has joined!! :-X
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David's not available at the moment so I've left a message on his voice box 8)
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David's not available at the moment so I've left a message on his voice box 8)
Maybe the Wrights entangled him!! ;D
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Can anyone help with information on a Mary Ellen Wright born 1864 in Clones this could possibly be my Great Grandmother as I have a Mary Ellen Wright married
1889 in St Annes Belfast her address in these details given as 49 Victoria Terrace only, a father William ( farmer ) and her witness a Martha Wright.
Been searching every where for this Mary Ellen
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The only Martha I came across is Martha E Wright, Aughaboy, Ballinode. There 1910. Above voting age!!
Don't know anything else, sorry.
Some Wrights back to around 1806 were living on two small farms in the townland of Aghnamallagh, which is in Drumsnat. They went to the Church of Ireland church close by, St. Molua's.
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Sent him an email. The site was set up in 2004, maybe he thinks there is no interest as no one has joined!! :-X
Hi guys, it's me, the webmaster of www.mctriangle.com !
I had closed the site to new members for a while for two reasons.
1) someone had hacked the host's server and was using bits of my area to send out porn and spam, or even host it! I couldn't get the host to take it seriously, so I made a mirror site to accomodate the current members until the hosting deal ran out. I've moved to a new host now, and things seem to be okay there.
2) I wanted this site to be a centre for collaboration on research into the WRIGHTs in Co Monaghan. I started putting quite a bit of data I'd collected on the site and opened it for like-minded researchers. Unfortunately those who have joined seem to be unwilling or unable to share their own information. I've come to the conclusion that family history researchers are mainly selfish, understandably, because they are almost always only interested in taking information on their own families.
I have actually 36 members of the site. Could have been a lot more, but I'm picky now. One guy told me my site was rubbish, just because he could not find any of his relatives mentioned there!
I still have the dilemma of whether to put more data, and I have more, on the site or not. Why should I, if no-one is willing to help? I've spent a lot of money going to PRONI, to Monaghan, to Dublin and spent hours transcribing the data. Why should I simply give it to someone, who can't be bothered to say thanks or contribute their information? And, if people are collaborating with me, what is my responsibility towards the information they contribute? [One member turned out to be a professional genealogist. If she uses these data from my site, contributed by others, in a professional report, am I effectively responsible for the accuracy of the information? How would the members feel about their data being sold? I'm still not clear on this aspect and so I'm not too happy to allow unknowns to register for membership].
Sorry for the length of this post, but I had to get it out! :-[
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Hello Belfast Dave,
Welcome to RootsChat.
Your post contains a great deal of interesting content. Whilst there is a reasonable amount of cooperation in the field of genealogy it's a pity that there's not a lot more. That guy who told you your site is rubbish has a nerve ... a taker rather than a giver or a sharer. Many people tend to overlook the cost of travelling and the time involved in transcribing when they have a look at someone's website in the hope that they can find some information relating to their own family ... if they were prepared to do some sharing I'm certain they might well find some of those missing links.
I've a friend who like myself is now retired. He's having a real ball travelling the country keeping in touch with elderly relatives and friends as well as making new friends and coming across a reasonable number of distant relatives that he did not know existed.
Christopher
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Hi Christopher,
Thanks for understanding. It does get very frustrating at times. I'm still working full time and I have to snatch a few hours every now and again for the family history research. There's a lot of information around and I wish I'd got more time to put it together.
I was just reading another post on CORBETTs in Monaghan. My gt-grandfather's first wife was a Corbett, so I have a bit of info on them. I was just trying to hoke it out when I saw your reply.
I'm in email contact with the Hall/Wright researchers and have just sent them a couple of possibilities that they may not have yet.
Co-operation rules! ;)
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Your site is very good!
Have made great progress since I joined and I thank you!
It is very good the way you keep it contained and pertinant to it's subject.
The freeloading spongers are upset because you didn't have "free information" for them to make money on.... WELL DONE!
As for putting more data! .... why give them more for free? They give absolutely nothing back and deserve more people like you keeping your data "unavailable" to non members!
I am on others Forums and have learned very quickly to send private messages to genuine people!
Keep up the good work and best of luck!
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We are like buses! Cross posting!!
Wait ages and ages for a Hall or Wright to appear then they all arrive together! ;D ;D
Hope I can return the very helpful cooperation some day!!
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It's always the way, a feast or a famine!
Did you have some Swan(n) connection as well? I've seen that in my notes too.
I still haven't contacted Gordon, so please let me know how you get on.
All the best,
Dave
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I'm getting on great, Gordon has been extemely helpful and all his family!
I emailed you earlier via ......@utvinternet.
Cheers
Dave.
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It's always the way, a feast or a famine!
Did you have some Swan(n) connection as well? I've seen that in my notes too.
I still haven't contacted Gordon, so please let me know how you get on.
All the best,
Dave
Am back to here for now Joseph Swan, married to Mary Jane....His father was William, Killyg.. and need to go to PRONI in New Year to look up his will....
Marrying cousins etc doesn't help....but getting there slowly.
Season's Greetings!!
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http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Newry/1828/18280125.html
Quote; The unhappy man to whose enterprise in “Raising the Wind” we alluded in our last, as having obtained 300l. on a surreptitious bill at one of the Banks here, was taken into custody at Westport, through the active pursuit of Mr. Sutherland (upon whom he had imposed himself under the name of Mr. Nugent, M. P. and induced him to endorse the bill) and Mr. Chaytor, from the Bank --and was lodged in gaol here on Thursday morning. It is said that 500l. in such bills were found on him; that his real name is Wright, and that he is the son of a very respectable Clergyman in a Northern County ; he is about 29 years of age, and is understood to be a married man, and the father of two or three children.—Clonmel Constitution.
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Death 1859 May 11, at Notting-hill, Mary, widow of the Rev. John WRIGHT, rector of Killcevan, county of Monaghan, aged 79.
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Hi!
You might not believe this but I'm actually from the parish of Killeevan, my family have lived there for over four hundred years and I am actually neighbors with the Wright family. They are established landowners, exactly the class of people who produced protestant clergy, subsequently, they should also have a lot of their genealogy on record. If you wish, I could give you their address. You could write to them and ask for more information, I'm sure they wouldn't mind, they're lovely. By the way, they were always big landowners and they owned two corn mills and were the main patrons of the protestant church in the village so there should be loads on them. This is so funny, my family knows them very well, we're their Catholic counterparts in the parish and we have a long and interconnected history.
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Hi and welcome. I've done a lot of research since my last post on this thread. I know exactly where they live as I've passed it a few times but never had time to stop. My connection is back in early 1800's. Once you have made 3 postings you then have the facility to send/receive private messages so I can message you then if that is OK.
Have a lovely Christmas...
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Readers here may be interested to know, if they don’t already, that on the 5th of November 1857 notice was published in the Dublin Evening Packet and Correspondent that the Irish land commissioners had ordered the sale of the estate of Lisabuck in County Monaghan. Lisabuck, having for decades been in the hands of Rev. John Wright of Killeevan when he died in 1847, was now regarded in law as the property of William Nixon Wright.
As we know, for good reasons Wright was never to return to Ireland under his own name to claim Lisabuck. So the commissioners, having learned from a ‘petitioner’ that the estate had for 10 years now been held by an absentee landlord (and was quite possibly heavily encumbered with debt), had determined to place the property on the open market. This they were famously entitled to do under current Irish land law, so long as the remaining ‘Owners’ were publicly invited, as they were in the notice I’ve mentioned, to post their objections or claims prior to its sale.
My immediate interest is in these ‘owners’. Two of those named were William Nixon Wright’s sister Caroline Wright and her husband John Shaw; a third was solicitor and wealthy land speculator, John Litton; and along with them was Rev. Richard Hastings Graves. Graves, the ‘petitioner’ who had requested that the estate be sold so that its owners and creditors could recover its value, was the surviving executor of John Brinkley, the erstwhile Bishop of Cloyne (d. 1835). John Litton, as a close acquaintance of the Bishop, had in the will attested to the Bishop’s handwriting.
But two more ‘Owners’ were named: Thomas Perring Tipper and his wife Catherine Emily Tipper.
This last couple lived for two decades in what happens now to be my house in Dartmouth, Devon (England). Thomas Tipper, son of a sailmaker in the same building, was among other things both the landlord of the Marine Tavern next door and for 13 years the Harbormaster of this medieval and still vibrant port. When at 48 in 1870 he died of apoplexy at the Tavern, the ships in the harbor lowered their flags to half mast. Catherine herself carried on as the publican a year or two more, and died in 1876.
How did Catherine come to be a co-owner of Lisabuck (and what may have brought her to England?). Born around 1816, in 1871 as ‘head’ she told the census-taker she was from County Monaghan. She was a contemporary of and quite possibly related to Rev. John Wright’s children — perhaps a younger sister or a cousin of William Nixon, Caroline, Elizabeth and John Jr. But she may have been a Shaw, or of the Nixon family after whom her brother was named, or she may have been a descendent of the family of their mother Mary. (It is almost certainly through Mary Sloane that the Wrights came into possession of Lisabuck. From 1667 its holders had been the Bradshaw family until 2 September 1774, when Isabella Bradshaw — the tenth and youngest of the children of the last line and among 5 brothers without male heirs — married John Sloane, who lived on at Lisabuck for the next quarter-century.)
And there is the intriguing puzzle as to what if any relationship the Wrights may have had to Bishop John Brinkley, and/or to the petitioner Richard Hastings Graves — who was, after all, a brother-in-law of two of the Bishops’ children. Just after John Wright had become rector and vicar of Killeevan, the Bishop was for a time rector of Clones, 4 miles from there and 3 miles from Lisabuck. His son John Jr was curate of Contibret, Co. Monaghan, where Rev. John Wright had been vicar before taking up the living at Killeevan — and there may be still more intimate connections between the families. It is possible that, since until the 1858 sale Lisabuck had been held by fee-farm and ‘under lease for ever’, it may be either the Brinkleys or the Church of Ireland that had truly ‘owned’ the estate.
A year after the publication of the notice of intention to sell, on 26 November 1858 the lands of Lisabuck, ‘desirably situated’, ‘of superior quality’, and clearly at the center of a lush social web, were purchased by another solicitor, Mr. J. H. Nunn — in trust for the Bishop’s close associate John Litton.
I’d be grateful for any information leading to the discovery of the whereabouts of Catherine Emily Tippers’ place in it all. Was she a Sloane? a Shaw? a Brinkley? a Graves? a Nixon? a Litton? Has anyone another name that fits her better? I’m sure she wasn’t Wrong, but was she a Wright?
Cris
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I am very interested in the information above as it is said my WRIGHT family owned corn mills. Is it possible to ask if they have any information on a Dr John Wright who died in 1823 in Bailieborough where he practised. There is a possibility he had a son, also a doctor, Dr William Wright, and definitely a daughter Jane who married the Rev James Gibson about 1798.
Many thanks for any information given.
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Very interested to hear from ClaritateDextra as I have been searching for information on my 4th great grandfather Dr John Wright MD. He died on the 14th of March 1823 in Bailieborough, but he was originally from a member of an "ancient family of Wright in County Monaghan". They owned mills of some sort. Any information very greatly appreciated. My search enters it's 50th year!
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Mill still there, closed.
https://www.google.ie/maps/@54.1813728,-7.1285426,3a,75y,180h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQjVBfbs7KV0gOMJzBii9Rw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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Thank you so much for those very special glimpses of something that I have only heard about. Is there any history or facts out there about the Wright family who lived here? Would love to learn as much as I can about its history.
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They are a branch of the Golagh Wrights
http://archiseek.com/2012/gola-house-co-monaghan/
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Thank you so much for that information.
Is there a "best" site to learn about the Wright family of Gola?
I'm not sure it was the Wright family of Golagh my 5th great grandfather, Dr John Wright belonged to, but his son-in-law ( the Rev James Gibson) stated in a letter written to our family, that his father-in-law ( Dr John Wright) was "from an ancient family of Wright in County Monaghan."
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Well if they owned that Mill in Newbliss the other line owned the Mill in Ballinode....
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IF yours owned Mills etc Sharon would be the one to ask, if she doesn't know then Christine will, and they know each other,
http://www.thesilverbowl.com/letters/1944-Marshall_Wright.htm is a letter from Marshall from the Mill I sent location for about the connection to the ones in Ballinode!!
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Thank you again for your help!
I will contact Sharon O-B when she returns from Ireland in June. I do know her. There seems to be some connection to the Newbliss Wright family which has come up..
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Have only met Sharon and Christine once!
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Sharon and I have had contact about the other side of my Wright family , which is the Gibson side, and has put some of the information we had on them up on her blog site. It's just about putting the pieces together, isn't it/ Hard when we go back to the late 1700's and early 1800's! But .... one day!
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You probably have the ones that were in Cork...
https://archive.org/stream/clericalparochia02dubl#page/460/mode/2up/search/Monaghan
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What a wonderfully interesting book! I can't link up with any of these listed, but ........ maybe it will come! Thank you so much for posting it.
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In 2000 I had been sent an email from Brian Trainer who had read a quote from a book in the Monaghan Library :
: The lands of Ross Ban McMahon were divided between Lord Masserene, John Foster and Thomas Coote. Coote had his seat at Foothill... Coote sold much of his land to other settlers. Among those ( 1661) were the ancestors of the Wright's ( later the Woodwrights) of Gola."
Would anyone have any information on these early Wright families of Cootehill?