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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Waterford => Topic started by: Jill Dorney on Thursday 09 September 04 14:54 BST (UK)
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Searching for any information on Dorney family.
Only info. I have is from UK census 1881
Augustine Dorney aged 43 (born abt 1838)
Birthplace~ Waterford. Ireland.
Occupation~ Musician
He emmigrated to England before 1865
I would be most grateful for any help
Jill Dorney
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Hi
This is the full 1881 census
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Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Augustine DORNEY Head M Male 43 Waterford, Ireland Musical Artist (Muscian)
Ellen DORNEY Wife M Female 33 Portsmouth Musical Artists Wife
Joseph DORNEY Son U Male 16 Portsmouth Musical Artists Son
Augustine DORNEY Son U Male 14 Southampton Musical Artists Son
Bernard DORNEY Son U Male 7 Sheffield Musical Artists Son
Thomas DORNEY Son U Male 3 Liverpool Musical Artists Son
Isabel DORNEY Daughter U Female 13 Norwich Artists Daughter
Evaline DORNEY Daughter U Female 9 Sheffield Artists Daughter
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Source Information:
Dwelling 23 Stamford St
Census Place Leeds, York, England
Family History Library Film 1342084
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4517 / 139
Page Number 2
I will see if i can find the family in 1871, 1891 and 1901 and post any findings
Nicky
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these are some births for the children
Births Mar 1866
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DORNEY Augustin S Stoneham 2c 51
Births Mar 1868
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DORNEY Isabel Ellen Norwich 4b 154
Births Mar 1872
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Dorney Eveline Sheffield 9c 422
Births Sep 1873
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Dorney Bernard Sheffield 9c 442
Births Jun 1877
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DORNEY Thomas Francis Liverpool 8b 189
I have looked on the 1871 and I would presume from the dob of the children that they would of been in Sheffield, will keep looking.
Hope these help you
Nicky
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Hi Jill,
If you want to look for Augustine in Waterford, you need to have a better idea of the townland. Can you look for his marriage certificate? It looks like he was married in England. This will give his father's name and possibly an Irish address either of which would help the search.
Regards
Kate
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Many thanks to everyone who has replied to my plea.
The biggest problem I am having is that Dorney is transcribed in many different ways, so although I know them to be alive at certain times I can't find them.
Augustine b. abt 1838 married Ellen Spence. She was born abt 1848 in Portsmouth. I can't find a marriage for them but their first child was also born there.
I have collected birth certificates for Bernard, Isabel and Eveline but can't find them in 1891 census.
I found Bernard in 1891 census as Downey in lodgings in Liverpool.
Ellen Spence/Dorney died in Liverpool in 1889 and her husband was still alive then according to her death certificate.
Please keep looking
Jill
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UPDATE
After almost giving up on tracing the Dorneys in Waterford I have managed to find a baptism for Augustine dorney on the Waterford Heritage website. as this was the only baptism for an Augustine I think I may have hit the jackpot.
Date of baptism - 16 October 1837
Parish - Trinity Within (Cathedral)
Father - Edmund
Mother - Eleanor Britt
Sponsors - Patrick O'Connor and Bridget Darcy
Only problem - On his marriage certificate fathers name is given as Edward!!
I am posting this update in the hope that someone could tell me if this could be an error in transcription or may recognise the names of his mother or sponsors.
Eternally hopeful, Jill
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I've seen Edmond and Edward as interchangeable.
The two are also both very similar looking in Latin, which is often used in RC records - Eadmundus and Eadwardus
Shane
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Thank you Shane I was hoping that was the case.
I know there were several Dorneys in the area but the Edmund and Eleanor threw me
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On Augustines' marriage certificate in 1861 fathers name was Edward Dorney (deceased) a draper.
Slaters directory 1856 has an Edward Dorney as a clothes dealer.
1877 Waterford Almanack and Directory has Ellen Dorney, clothes dealer at 17 Patrick St.(Edward would presumably be dead)
1894 Egan Directory had E Dorney - haberdasher.
I feel sure these were the parents
I now need to find out if Eleanor and Ellen are the same person and if there is anyone searching for the Britt family. I would also love to know if there were any other children.
Jill
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Is this possibly Ellen Britt Dorney ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Waterford_No__1_Urban/Patrick_Street/1760975/
Still at Patrick Street, Waterford.
If so then it says that she was originally born in County Tipperary.
If you think so then Anne Manahan is Anne Britt sister to your Augustine. Note Anne (Britt's) second son is called Edward - usually a tradition to name the second son after the wife's father. Another son is also a draper (which you said was the family occupation at one point).
Tara
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Looking at the ifhf - roots ireland site I found the following all baptised in Waterford
Mary Dorney 1839 to Edward Dorney and Eleanor Britt
Thomas Dorney 1841 to Edmund Dorney and Eleanor Britt
Eleanor Dorney 1842 to Edward Dorney and Eleanor Britt
Janet Dorney 1846 to Edward Dorney and Eleanor Britt
Edmund Dorney 1848 to Edmund Dorney and Ellen Britt
Monica Dorney 1849 to Edward Dorney and Eleanor Britt
Thomas Dorney 1852 to Edward Dorney & ? Britt
Mary Dorney 1853 to Edward Dorney and Ellen Britt
Ellen Dorney 1855 to Edward Dorney and Ellen Britt
There may be more but these were all I could find
Hope this is of some use to you
Tara
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Tara
That is brilliant, thank you so much for your help.
Your information gives me so much to work on. I felt sure there must be more family members around.I can now start searching for them.
Augustine was my husbands gt grandfather who came to England before 1861, he and most of his descendants were musicians.
Many, many thanks
Jill
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Glad to be able to help Jill !
Tara
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This looks to be the death of Ellen Britt Dorney
Name: Ellen Dorney
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1904
Age: 90
District: Waterford
Volume: 4
Page: 538
Tara
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OK SO,
On the same ifhf - rootsireland site I found the following
Ellen Britt marriage to Edmond Downey
In 1837 in SS Peter & Paul Parish Clonmel Tipperary
Tipperary is the county that Ellen Britt was born in.
I reckon the Downey as opposed to Dorney was a mis-trancription (I think you said that you have come across this miss-spelling before !
Tara
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Tara
You have been so busy! Thank you so much, I really do appreciate all your help.
I have tried looking for Monica Dorney ( mentioned on the 1901 census) who I guess would be the grand daughter of Ellen Dorney. She was born in Liverpool so might be a connection to other Dorneys living in England. Not had any luck so far but will keep trying.
Again,many many thanks
Jill
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Glad to be able to help Jill.
I looked for Monica too but no joy so far - she was obviously named after her aunt Monica ie Augustine's sister !
Tara
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Not sure if you still check this Jill but I just came across this on a Google search, I believe my great grandfather was a relative of yours, he was Joseph Dorney who was born in Manchester England but his father was a musician from Waterford also named Joseph Dorney (his parents were Augustine and Ellen)
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Wow, this is wonderful. First time any of my postings have produced any relatives.
The Dorneys are my late husbands family and Augustine and Ellen were his great grand parents. I have been trying for years to find a family for him as his father (Richard) was the son of Bernard, son of Augustine died before my husband was born.
I am happy to let you have the information I have gathered so far.
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Anne Manahan appears to be Ellen Dorney born 1855
son John Joseph Manahan 1880
57 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02849/2044206.pdf
their marriage 1876
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11162/8089483.pdf
also spotted two baptisms in Liverpool
Agnes Dorney 1883 James 1885 parents Augustine and Ellen Speare/Spence
http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/liverpoolrcbaptisms/baptisms.php
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Ah i see now
Ellen Manahan died 1894
199 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05964/4695362.pdf
Cornelius then married Anne Ryan in 1895
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10547/5842259.pdf
see plots 189 and 190 Ferrybank Cemetery,Waterford
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/waterford/photos/tombstones/1headstones/ferrybank-rc-2.htm
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Thanks Jill-you responded far faster than I imgained! Yes last night my mum was filling me in on my history as she is over visiting currently from Manchester and we said we must see if we can locate where abouts the Waterford they hailed from to go one day (As I relocated to Dublin in 2011) I can't imagine I am confused as the names all seem to match how crazy! I only typed Joseph Dorney Waterford into Google by chance this morning and this forum was the top chat! I shall show her this site so she can join as she probably has more info than I ; & yes we would love to compare histories/see what you have found in your searches. Sorry to hear about your late husband by the way x
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John Harty married Monica Dohenny age 20 dtr of Edward Dohenny a shopkeeper 1871
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11347/8165675.pdf
children
Mary Ellen 1872
Michael John 1874
Edward Augustine 1875
John Joseph 1876
Mary 1878
223 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02962/2085184.pdf
Monica died 1881 her death was registered twice 1882 by her doctor
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1882/06391/4835132.pdf
and 1884 by her husband,he also registered his new mother in law on the same day
429 and 430 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06322/4813186.pdf
John Harty married Mary Margaret Ronayne Jan 1882
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10961/8006812.pdf
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This is really interesting info. I haven't been active in family history for some time so I will have to retrieve my files.
I did try to register my email address but quite understandably, it wasn't allowed. It was suggested I did PM but I don't know how..
I will put together a family tree for you and post it.
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Hi Jill,
If you wish to send your email the only safe way is to send a pm message. To send a pm message look at the profile name of the person you wish to contact and below the name you will see three round dark buttons, if you click on the right one this opens up a box for you to type a message only for the eyes of the other person.
Regards
Sarah :)
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thanks for that sarah. I will give it a try
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There is also this page with some more details from our Help section Jill :)
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
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This appears to be some of Monica's children
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Waterford_Urban_No__4/Newtown_Road/1762467/
Michael,John and Mary are Monica's children
Catherine and Joseph are Mary Margaret Ronayne's children
Mary Margaret died 1891
26 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06043/4721652.pdf
William age 2 appears to be the son of Mary Kate Reddy dont see a marriage for her.
last one on page
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02037/1780680.pdf
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thank you so much dathai. your information has filled many gaps I had and really expanded the family tree. I do appreciate all your help. Jill
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I am struggling to put the pieces together from the info you recieved as so many dates seem off/mixed up if you managed to put it into order I would be interested to see it, thanks
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Hi Jill the following Dorney/Durney families Edmund/Edward Dorney/Durney married Ellen Britt/Brett. the name Edmund Edmond and Edward are all the same. The name Dorney is now spelled Durney and Britt is now spelled Brett here in Waterford Ireland, children of Edward & Ellen, Augustine, 1837, married Ellen Spence, Mary, 1839, died young, Thomas Joseph, 1841, died young, Ellen, born 1842, died young, Janet, 1846, Edmund, 1848,Monica, 1849, Thomas Joseph, 1852, Mary, 1853, and Ellen, 1855 married Cornelius Manahan. Jim