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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: flossy on Monday 19 December 05 20:11 GMT (UK)
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I have recently made contact with someone researching the same family as myself. He is convinced this line of the family is decendent from French huguenots( and has traced as far back as 1660)
I would like to look further into this but don't know where to start.
Anyone know when the hugenauts began fleeing to England and did they settle in a particular area. also any name lists or records that might be worth looking for.
By the way the family surname is Jaques.
Flos
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http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/ - this is probably a good place to start looking for what sources there might be. The main time for emigration was post 1685, the year of the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes, but some left earlier. There were Huguenot churches set up in London, where about half the emigrants ended up staying, particularly in areas like Shoreditch and Spitalfields. (Some also went to Ireland).
The main industry traditionally associated with the Huguenots in London is silk-weaving, and textile manufacture in general.
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Hi Jorose,
Thanks for the advice.I've had a quick look at the site, it may lead to something I'll check it out further after the hol's.
Floss
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I have a CD :)
The Huguenot refugees and their descendants in Britain and Ireland and
List of Foreign Protestants and Aliens Resident in England
1618-1688
If you post the name, I will see if it's included.
Patricia
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I have a CD :)
The Huguenot refugees and their descendants in Britain and Ireland and
List of Foreign Protestants and Aliens Resident in England
1618-1688
If you post the name, I will see if it's included.
Patricia
Can you see if the surname Sale is in there please? And also if the surname Linser (or any spelling near to) is in there please?
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Ten, De La Salle
no Linscer or its variants.
Patricia
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Ten, De La Salle
no Linscer or its variants.
Patricia
Thankyou
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Hi Jones,
Would you please look up Jaques for me. They were in the printing trade and my contact has them marrying into the Dennett family late 1600s. They were living in Newington, Midhurst, Chichester.
Thanks Floss.
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Hello Floss, :)
I have had a look and there are 39 references to Jaques shown. :D
::) Patricia ::)
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Dear Patricia..is there any chance of checking if there are any PONT names listed,for my sister-in-law who is tracing her line? I'll appreciate if you do not have the time.Dawn
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Hello Dawn, :)
I had a look on the CD of French Huguenots
Refugees.1618 -1688
There are 23 Du / De Pont names listed.
According to the Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames the earliest recorded is one Amice De Ponte recorded at Somerset Assizes in 1268 . So the Pont name could have been from the Norman Invasion or the Huguenots.
Pont come from the Old French pont and the Latin pons meaning Bridge; Dweller by the Bridge. Pont is still used in the Welsh Language for bridge.
Have you got back past the 1600,s if so they will be Norman invaders.
Hope this of some help to you. I can't put full details on here as the CD is copy right protected.
:D Blwyddyn Newydd Dda :D
:) Happy New Year 8)
Patricia
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Hello Patricia
I was interested to see your response to a search for Sale .. giving the name of De La Salle.
This name is that of my ancestors and we have often felt they may have been of Huguenot extraction.
What information does your CD provide, first names, etc?and can you tell me where you obtained it?
Sincerely
Valerie
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Dear Patricia.Many thank's for the information,which I will now pass on to my sister-in-law. ;D
Have a happy new year...I am just off to dip my toes in the pool...the heat today has been full on!!
dawn from Aussie
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Hello Patricia,
I was wondering if you would mind looking up a couple of names for me too? They are CONRADI and FLISHER.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Kind regards,
Blue
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As these names are originating from Germany, Saxony, I don't think that they would appear on the French Huguenots Listing.
I did find this however
http://www.family-tree.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=430&
Someone in Canada is trying to find Flisher ::)
Hope this leads to some thing for you.
Patricia :)
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Hi Patricia,
Thank you for the information and taking the time to respond. I didn't realise the names originated in Saxony.
Kind regards,
Blue
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I have a CD :)
The Huguenot refugees and their descendants in Britain and Ireland and
List of Foreign Protestants and Aliens Resident in England
1618-1688
If you post the name, I will see if it's included.
Patricia
Hi Patricia,
You just may be able to settle a VERY long term argument between family members.
One side says that the MEDCALF family came from the Huguenots and the other is equally insistant that they came from Yorkshire and an Adam Medecalf de Dent in about 1000 or some equally distant past year.
Could there be anything in your book re this name please.
Many thanks
Di
(I hope I am on the winning side - I hate to lose an argument!!)
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Hello Di, :)
Well I have checked both volumes on the CD and can find nothing under any of the variations you requested.
I did find a Medcalfe, Englishman, on the CD who appeared to be the sponsor of some Italian Huguenots.
I had a search of Google and found this.
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/medcalf-coat-arms.htm
The Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames states
Medcalf(e) a version of Metcalf. There is quite a long paragraph discussing this name. Yorkshire is mentioned as is Surrey in 1301. No mention of Huguenots . As you do have an earlier reference, had you thought that maybe he came over in 1066 . Might be worth trying that tack.
I was told that my family "Lane" where Huguenots but it is apparent that they were from Normandy, long before the Huguenots arrived.
Hope this is helpful to you, you may win the bet yet ::)
Patricia :)
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Thank you Patricia,
I WIN, I WIN, ;D ;D ;D
Knew they weren't from the Huguenots - someone will just have to get use to the fact that they are originally from YORKSHIRE.
My records actually show the family name being descended from Kenneth III, King of Scot --> Crinan the Thane --> Maldred --> Gospatrick --> Dolphin --> William fil Malred, Lord of Carleton, Middleton, Dent - thus the name was given as William MEDECALF de Dent
From that name came the altered names of Medcalf, Medcalfe, Metcalf and Metcalfe.
The Metcalfe Society believes they have the correct spelling - sadly they are wrong - it is just the most common variation to the name.
Oh, I'm am pleased - I thought I may need to look through French records for my family history - England is hard enough!!
Thanks so much Patricia
Regards
Di
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Hello Di :)
Perhaps we will be invited to the Queens garden party ::)
My Lane family where Knights and one was married to the cousin of Katherine Parr 8)
Must dash out and buy a hat :D :D :D
Glad to have been of help.
Patricia ;)
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Hi Patricia,
I'll be the one in the red hat - see you there!!
Nice to know that just sometimes we are not all ag labs.
Thanks
Di
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Thanks for your input to this most interesting topic Patricia.
My need is to trace the possibility that some of my forebears were Huguenots.
The earliest I can trace of them is in either Spitalfields,Eastcheap,Cheapside and Stepney etc which I understand were among the places that they first settled.
The particular name was TOUCHIN or TOUCHET or similar. and of course it has 'morphed' into several variations since.
joboy
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Hello Patricia,
I wonder could you have a browse through your CD and see if the name Lorain turns up at all... I would hope to find it in Ireland if the index shows where they ended up.
TIA
Mo
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Hi Patricia,
Parts of the Revels clan assert that they are descended from Huguenots but having spent time poring over various lists I have been unable to find a connection. It sounds as though this is a comprehensive resource so I would appreciate a look up please.
The tangible records show their presence in Ireland in 1820.
Thank you.
Beth
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Joboy, :)
Found Touchar, Touschard, Tousaint and Touschard.
No mention of these or Touchin, Touchet in the The Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames .
Mo, :)
One reference to Lorrain
The Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames a ref: in 1333 (in Scotland) from Lorraine (France)
Beth :)
One reference to De Rivals and one Revole; Also a reference to Widow Revel of Bankside (Southwark England) inferring that she was already living here at the time.
The Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames , earliest reference 1130 Hertfordshire.
So to sum up, Joboy looks a likely candidate; 8)
Moscan and Elizabeth :o probably earlier than the Huguenots arrival, but you won’t know until you get back, passed the early 1600’s.
Good luck in your searches.
Patricia
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Thanks Patricia ......... those variations are worth investigating further.
joboy
Joboy, :)
Found Touchar, Touschard, Tousaint and Touschard.
No mention of these or Touchin, Touchet in the The Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames .
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Thank you Patricia,
Will keep on searching.
Beth
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Thanks for the info, will have to keep searching for this particular antecedents
will get in touch with the archivist here in Dublin
Best wishes
Mo
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Hello Patricia,
My 5th great grandparents were Pierre Jacob Carey born abt 1706 and Marye Du Chattel born about 1714.
I have been told that Pierre (and maybe Marye)were, or descended from, French Huguenots.
Variations of the name are Carree and Carre.
Their children were apparently christened in Walloon Or Strangers Church, Canterbury Kent England.
I would love to trace them before they arrived in England, if possible and was wondering if you would mind looking for me, if you have time.
Thankyou,
Regards
Margaret :)
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Margaret -
I am researching Huguenot forebears too, and have just checked out all the IGI batch numbers for marriages and baptisms in the "French" churches.
The batch for the Canterbury Walloon or Strangers Church reveals children of Pierre and Marye - some definite, with full names of both parents, and some a bit woollier but possibles.
You can find the relevant batch here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyKent.htm#PageTitle
With my family, I came up against a brick wall around the 1750's - only to later discover that was because they did not come to England until after 1744! You may have the same situation.
Best regards
Wendy
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Hi Margaret,
The name Carré is present on the CD
However look at the entry on this site.
http://www.last-names.net/surname.asp?surname=Carey;Cary
Nothing for Chattel or its variations
This site is for Chatel it may prove helful
http://www.englandspeople.com/perl/surname_page.pl?surname=Chatel
Patricia
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May I chime in too?
I'm looking for Dure, which I am told in a letter dated 1925 was originally Duree (acute accent on the first e). There was probably some other sort of spelling system that came before the accents were invented, whenever that was. Do you have anything like that on the CD, Patricia?
thanks.
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Hello Loo,
I have found one reference to the name Duree. No accent ::) but that is probably in the printing/typing mechanism.
If you get back past 1618 then he will have arrived in the British Isles before the Huguenots arrived.
Best of luck :) Patricia 8)
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Thank you, Patricia. I have only just begun suspecting they were Huguenots in the last few weeks. I never really thought about it before, but several things seem to fit.
So far I have only been able to go back as far as the censuses and the family letter will allow me, which is about 1780. It is a small family, and they seem to all be in Devon, which is where the 1925 letter tells me they were from. This letter also says there was just one of them who originally came from France, "a French officer", so I guess that would fit with your one entry, although I don't know when that person came to England.
Am I right in assuming that your list is of original refugees? Can you tell me if there is any more information on that one entry. Is it just a list of surnames, each one accounting for one individual, or are there any forenames or other clues? Can you tell me where this list originates?
thanks very much for your help,
Loo.
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Hello Loo :)
I have sent you a PM.
Have a look at this site. The French invasion of Fishguard, which took place in southwest Wales in 1797. This may of course be a tad too late for you, but there was an easy sea route across from South Wales to Devon.
http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/Wales-History/Fishguard.htm
See my previous post for all the details on the CD. It is a copy of two books with full details of Immigrants and their families . Every entry is indexed.
Hope this is of help to you.
Patricia :)
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Yes, I think it's a little late for my folks. Interesting little story though!
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Wendy, Thankyou for the link to the IGI Batch numbers....have you had any luck finding where your ancestors came from in France?..or do you know how to go about this?
Patricia, Thankyou for your time looking this up....and for the links....I understand about the copyright issue, but is there any way of finding out if there is more information regarding my Carre family?
Warm regards,
Margaret :)
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Hello Margaret,
As I have explained at the start of this post the Information if Copyright. The only way to find out if the name I have is anything to do with you is to buy the CD.
I bought mine from a genealogy company who sell CD,s on Ebay.co.uk. They may still offer them for sale or auction.
:P Mine is up for grabs to anyone in the UK. so make me an offer. ::)
The Cd is two books, with a lot of information , not just a list of names.
Sorry not to be of more help.
Patricia
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I believe some French Hugenots made their way to North Beds & Bucks counties and were influential in lace making.
THE JAQUES surname is Anglisized in some documents to JAKES and likewise De SALE would lose the 'De' as the English tried to get their tongues around these names. ;D
Beds Archives has an on-line search engine :)
cathy
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Hello Margaret,
As I have explained at the start of this post the Information if Copyright. The only way to find out if the name I have is anything to do with you is to buy the CD.
I bought mine from a genealogy company who sell CD,s on Ebay.co.uk. They may still offer them for sale or auction.
:P Mine is up for grabs to anyone in the UK. so make me an offer. ::)
The Cd is two books, with a lot of information , not just a list of names.
Sorry not to be of more help.
Patricia
Hello Patricia,
Would love to take you up on your offer - but I don't live in the UK. :(
I will however make enquiries to obtain the CD elsewhere.
Thankyou once again for your help, I appreciate it.
Margaret :)
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For anyone in or near Toronto, Canada, I have discovered that the Toronto Reference Library near Bloor and Yonge, holds both of these books. Thanks to Patricia for pointing them out.
Also, the Huguenot library in London, England has its catalogue online, and it's massive, over 1500 items.
http://library.ucl.ac.uk/F While you would need to go to England to take full advantage, you may find some things you want that you could order on interlibrary loan. I found several items for Devon, which is where my lot settled; now all I need is plane fare!!
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Can't help you with that one ::)
Patricia
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I came across this looking for French ancestry - I'm posting it - in case it can help somebody regarding Hampshire !!
Huguenots
Following the Reformation France had a large minority of Protestants, namely the Calvinists known as Huguenots.
Toleration by Henri IV of Navarre, who made the Edict of Nantes in 1598 granting certain liberties to them, was followed by persecution under Louis XIV who revoked the Edict in 1685, forcing many Huguenots to choose between conversion to Roman Catholicism, death or exile. Hundreds of Huguenots chose the latter, and flocked to England at the invitation of King Charles II.They became integrated into British life, sometimes prospering greatly, as was the case for several prominent Hampshire families such as the Portals or the Garniers. A French chapel dedicated to St Julien became used by the Huguenots for their services on Sundays. Although parish registers from 1562 to the early 18th century are held by the Public Record Office and later ones by Southampton Archives Service, there are references to it in some of Hampshire Record Office’s holdings, particularly the diocesan collection of wills and inventories of French people who died in Hampshire.
These include: 1689B/06 Will of Matthew Brohier of Southampton, merchant, including bequest to the French church in Southampton and mentioning estates in Normandy
and 1731A/120 Will of Elizabeth St Dalham of St Michael, Southampton including bequest to the poor French Protestants of Southampton and stating she is unaccustomed to the laws of this country
Parish registers sometimes contain details of contemporary events such as that for Newton Valence, 33M66/PR1, containing details of the church collection for the relief of French protestants, 18 May 1686 and 11 May 1688
5M52 Portal family papers
The Portals were a Huguenot family from Bagnols-sur-Cèze in France, two of whom were forced to come to England after the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes, and one of whom, Henry, settled in Hampshire, establishing himself as a paper manufacturer at Laverstoke.
Their papers include material relating to the French ancestry of the family; Henry’s certificate of naturalisation as a British citizen, 1711; and printed pamphlets and biographies of the Portal family, especially Baron du Portal
4M52 Ouvry papers
Papers of Lieutenant Louis Ouvry, a Huguenot refugee who came to England in 1707, entered the British army, died 1771 and was buried at Bethnal Green.
Including: an account in French of his early life and travels, nd (18th cent) and correspondence with his family, 18th cent.
Annie :) :)
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Hi Patricia
I've only just discovered this thread. Sorry to bug you, but is there any chance you could check your CD for the name De Tewilly?
My Grandmother was a Twilley. I have an incomplete family tree drawn up by a relative (unfortunately deceased) which has a footnote stating that the family is descended from a French Countess De Tewilly.
One of her sons emigrated to England in 1674 (he settled in Marylebone, London) and had to anglicise his name due to a law passed in 1665 concerning the Huguenots. He changed his name from De Tewilly to Twilley.
All sounds very interesting and I would love to know a little more. My efforts up until now have not been too fruitful, though!
Thanks & regards from Germany,
Karen McD.
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Hello Karen :)
I don't see anything that is likely to be the name you are looking for, however let me know what Christian names you have and I will look afresh. Often reference is made to a parent or child.
Patricia :D
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Does anyone know why Ricketts is a possible Huguenot surname? It says it is on that house of names site. Is that just some Ricketts families?
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Hi Patricia
One of her sons emigrated to England in 1674 (he settled in Marylebone, London) and had to anglicise his name due to a law passed in 1665 concerning the Huguenots. He changed his name from De Tewilly to Twilley.
Thanks & regards from Germany,
Karen McD.
I am interested in what this law might have been, because mine too changed their name slightly, and the result was a more anglicized name. They remember that it had been changed, and what it had been changed from, right up to the present day! It strikes me likely that if they remembered the change for all these centuries, then it's quite possible that it was involuntary. I wonder if they too were affected by this law. Does anyone know?
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Does anyone know if any Huguenots settled in Lanarkshire? I have found an ancestor called Isobell Muter and I believe the Muters came over from France sometime before the 1750s and 4 brothers settled in the Stonehouse area of Lanarkshire, 3 on farms, and 1 to Edinburgh where I think he went into textiles.
Just wondering if anyone has come across Huguenots living in that part of the country.
Many thanks Linda.
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Hi all,
I'm tracing my friend's family tree. She has family stories of Huguenots and indeed I've found two families so far, the Racines and the Jaques.
I am stuck with Jacques RACINE and Mary SORREL whose son Jacques was born 1765 and christened in La Patente French Huguenot, Spitalfields.
Does anyone have information about this couple? I'd be ever so grateful - have never had to trace such exotic folk as Huguenots, so would appreciate any help! :)
Thank you
Prue
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Another London area where the Huguenots were based is Wandsworth which may be of interest to anyone researching them.
Also, could anyone tell me if they employed ' locals ' at silk weaving in the East End ? I have an ancestor whose daughter claimed on her marriage certificate that he was a silk weaver. At a later date on a Census, in another area of London, she claimed she was an artificial flower maker which looks as though she may have been involved in the same trade. As far as I know the family name had Irish derivations and I believe they may have been Catholic so unlikely they were Huguenot themselves.
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Hi Patricia!
The "oldest" Twilley I have is John, born ca. 1802. Looks as though his father was a John, too.
John's son Frederick was born in 1837 in Strand/London and was a Jewel Case Maker. He had many children, born in Marylebone and Strand, e.g. Frederick (1859) also Jewel Case Maker, Alfred (1861), Rosetta (1864).
1859 Fred also had lots of kiddies, incl. a Frederick born 1880 in St. Pancras.
Looks as though most of the family stayed in the Pancras area.
Don't know if this helps... :-\
Thanks,
Karen
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Hi XPhile :)
Ricketts: According to the Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames it may come from Ricard 1066 as recorded in the Domesday Book and is of Norman origin. There is a large entry, too much for me to put on here so try and get hold of a copy.
Hello Linda :)
Mutter: The Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames’ reference found in the Pipe Rolls for Lincolnshire ; Hugo le Motere 1130 . The name derives from old English motere “Public Speaker”
You will only find if they have a Lancashire connection by working methodically back.
Hello Loo :D
Try this site, it has the history of the Huguenots.
http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/history/
Hi Pru :)
Racine : There is a reference to Racine in relation to The French Hospital of London. Originally located at Bath Street, Old Street ,St Luke The Charity which ran it commenced in 1708 from a bequest by James Gastigny and a Charter was granted by King George 1 in 1718.
Sorrel: Fist shown in Pipe Rolls for Suffolk 1130
Hello B C Rayson :D
Try these site they are very interesting.
http://www.victorianlondon.org/publications4/shadows-06.htm
http://www.smith.edu/hsc/silk/papers/baird.html
http://www.dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/terrace/adw03/peel/chartism/lonchar.htm
http://www.londontreasures.com/scenes_look.htm
Morning Karen, I'll get back to you shortly.
Bye to you all for now :D Patricia
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Hi Karen :D
On the IGI there are 363 Twilley and variants of the name listed.
The earliest is 1541 Wantage Berkshire for William Twillye and 1551 John Twyllye Hampshire, and another Twilly Winchester Hampshire1574
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
I Just typed in the name and choose to search England. (None listed for remainder of U.K) On the tab marked International Genealogical Index. Hopefully this will take you back.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#PageTitle
This site allows you to view each parish register. You may find more names this way. For example;
C049031
Threadneedle Street French Huguenot, London, London, England
which shows many French names.
Hope this helps you
Patricia :)
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Thank you very much Patricia. I shall do some more digging.
Best wishes Linda.
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Thank you so much Patricia! :D I really appreciate it.
Cheers
prue
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Hi Patricia!
I must add my thanks, too! Really sweet of you to help. Now let's see what I can find...
Thanks again,
Karen
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Hello Loo :D
Try this site, it has the history of the Huguenots.
http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/history/
I didn't find anything there unfortunately.
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try http//hugenots.picards.free.fr/donnees
its in french but very basic, a 12 year old could translate it
good luck
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try http//hugenots.picards.free.fr/donnees
its in french but very basic, a 12 year old could translate it
good luck
I must be jinxed, but this link does not work at all for me.
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http://huguenots.picards.free.fr/
Try this . Huguenots was misspelled.
There is an English translation available.
Patricia 8)
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Thank you; got it now.
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I'm new to this so forgive me barging in!! I apparently have French Huguenots way back - in 1861 they were Ivory Comb manufacturers in Bradford, Yorks, and were called Simonett, but I know nothing about where they originated from. The earliest mention of the family I have found is a John Simonett born about 1720.
Regards,
Maggie
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Hello Maggie :)
Welcome to Rootschat. 8)
I have had a look on the CD and there is one reference to SIMONI born in Italy.
I had a look for any other references and came up with these web site. They all see to think the name originated from Italy ::)
http://www.historicalnames.com/namelistdetail_s.asp?surname=Simonett'
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.familycrest_details/s.Simonett/Simonett_family_Crest/Simonett_coat_of_arms/qx/Simonett.htm?a=54323-224
http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~alan/family/S-Simmonds.html
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
Hope this of some use to you ;)
Patricia :)
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Hi Patricia,
How quick was that!! I will have a look at the sites, many thanks. Us possibly originating from Italy is news to me but absolutely nothing surprises me any more about family history - stories you grew up with prove to be slightly embellished and altered etc. ???
Regards,
Maggie
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I came across this looking for French ancestry - I'm posting it - in case it can help somebody regarding Hampshire !!
Hello Annie, I'm very interested in Huguenots in Hampshire, unfortunately not in the surnames you gave :( But it has given me another avenue of attack, so thanks. :)
Patricia, is there any chance that you might be able to look up the name of Jerom, who were supposedly Huguenots from La Rochelle and settled in the IOW around the beginning to middle of the 18th century.
Thanks, Mark.
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Hello Mark :)
Nothing on the CD.
Have a look on IGI for Hampshire. There is an entry 1583 for Edward Jerom Freshwater I.O.W Hampshire England.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/customsearchresults.asp
It is more likely that the name Jerom came from Norman invasion . The Huguenots arrived 1618 - 1688
The Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames sites examples of the Jerrom, Jerome (and all its variables) as being recorded as far back as 1206.
Hope this helps your search 8)
Patricia :D
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Thanks Patricia, greatly appreciated. :)
I do have definite information that they were Huguenots, in as much as names have been found out and even property discovered. Unfortunately this was found out some years ago before genealogy became fashionable and I believe the person who made these discoveries is no longer with us, and there doesn't appear to be any records of where he got his info! I've been to the IOW records office, but that was before I really knew what I was doing so I think another visit is in order. Although I'm still a relative beginner! :(
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Hi Mark :)
Have you tried contacting this site?
http://www.huguenot.netnation.com/general/
If you are really sure it might be worth a try.
I too was told that my family originated from Huguenots. (I bought the CD ) and went wizzing past their arrival date.
The fact that you have and entry on the IGI for 1583 is a good lead. I expect the record office for the I.O.W will be delighted to help you.
Best of luck.Let me know how it goes ???
Patricia :)
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Thanks Patricia, I have got that site bookmarked, but never really explored it, I'll give it a go.
Mark.
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Dear Patricia,
Would you be able to look and see if there are any Ellerays (Ellray, Ellrah, Elleary alt spellings!) or Parkers? My grandfather always said that there was a hugenot connection in the family - the Ellerays were silk dyers in Cumberland.
Many thanks,
Karen
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Hello Karen :)
Nothing on the CD .
The Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames , links the name Ellery to the name Hillary;
This in turn sights Hillary, Hillery, Elleray,Ellery, Elray;
The earliest reference is dated 1177.
It is rather too large to copy here, but try and get a site of the book.The name appears to emanate from France, but obviously before the Huguenots.
Hope this was useful 8)
Patricia :)
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Hi Patricia :)
Many, many thanks - I will go to the Library tomorrow and take a look!
Kind Regards,
Karen
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I've done research on the Drower family who were French Huguenots. Their first appearance in the english records is a baptism at Axminster in 1606.
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The Metcalfe Society believes they have the correct spelling - sadly they are wrong - it is just the most common variation to the name.
I get quite annoyed when I read this, because this is not what the Metcalfe Society beleive at all. The Metcalfe Society are well aware of how the spelling of different variations came about and they make good reference to it. The name of the society does not reflect what they beleive to be the 'correct' spelling, but the interest in a common surname that the founders had. And although it is called the Metcalfe society, it also researchs all variations of the original name (including names like medcalf and midkiff)
There said my piece
Anita (Proud to be a member of the Metcalfe Society)
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I have Lanier family in my tree
Would you please let me know what you find on the
CD with regard to this name
Best wishes
GAYE - NZ
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Hello Gaye :)
I have had an opportunity to look for Lainer on the CD.
The only name I found was Lainé
No Christian name.
He was an officer to whom a settlement of land in Ireland was made with half pay dated 1.1.1692.
It would appear that the Huguenots formed part of an army relating to Prince William of Orange.
There is however a reference to Lainer (Woolmonger) in the Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames. The earliest being cited is Hugo de Layner 1297. This reference was taken from a book of Middle English Surnames of Occupation (MESO) which was published to cover the period 1100- 1350. This particular reference was relating to Yorkshire.
It does appear that Lanier came over to Britain with the Norman Conquest. You will only know when you get back past the early 1600’s.
If you check with your local library they may have a copy of the books that the CD is a copy of. See previous posts on this topic for the full names.
Hope this has been of some use to you.
Good luck in your research
Patricia ;)
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Could you look up:
Edouard Bompasse b.1600 (I know about his history leaving for Plymouth Rock 1621 and everything thereafter) It prior that stumped me. Census says he is born ENG.
father: John Bompasse b. cant find right now Census says born ENG.
Here is info I found about the name: BOMPASSE/BUMPASSE
The name Bompasse is probably of French origin, possibly Hugenot. The old Norman and French name Bonpas, literally translated, Goodstep, is an aristocratic name in Europe. The Bonpas family originated in Perpignam in the extreme south
western portion of France near the Mediterranean. The name probably came to England with Normans, and perhaps again with the Hugenots.
Thank you,
LJ
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Thanks Patricia
(I can see you are inundated with
requests now - excellent work!)
:D
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Hi Linda :)
Nothing on the CD for Bompasse.
have you looked on the IGI ? On Family Search.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bq/
Edward Bompasse is recorded here born 1600 with Father John Bompasse death recorded Feb 1693
There are many entries with the name Bompasse. If you just type that name in you will get the whole list.
Patricia ;)
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Hi Paricia,
I wonder if you could check for the name BALLARD for me iam well and truly stuck
TIA
Adrian
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No, sorry Adrian, nothing listed.
I think the name is far earlier than the Huguenots.
I expext you have already seen these sites but I'll post them here for you in case you have not.
http://www.paul-ballard.com/bgh.htm
http://www.kenelks.co.uk/familytree/
Good Luck
Patricia :)
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"Familysearch" has BALLARDS from 1400. Between 1400 and 1450 they are confined almost entirely to Kent, suggesting that they had only recently arrived. After 1450 they begin to spread to other parts of England. I have precisely the same pattern with my Pipers. It suggests that the Ballards were Flemings, immigrants from from the present day Belgium, in particular the woollen towns of Bruges and Ghent.
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Hello Patricia
Could you please look up Dorman / Deyermond please on your CD. I did find them on the Huguenots of Lisburn: http://www.lisburn.com/books/huguenots/huguenots.html
My Dorman came from Ireland to Scotland BEF 1805.
Thank you for making your resource available, I really appreciate it.
Linda
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Hi Linda,
Sorry, nothing on the CD.
Have you seen this site?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0i9/
Patricia
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Thanks Patricia - Much appreciated.
Will take a look at that link. Interesting seeing the Calvin with the name Deyermond (Calvinist). I guess my Dorman is truly a member of the lost colony as the book title indicates. There are other names as well, with their name changes. I also found my Rennie name there.
Thanks again.
Linda
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I have a CD :)
The Huguenot refugees and their descendants in Britain and Ireland and
List of Foreign Protestants and Aliens Resident in England
1618-1688
If you post the name, I will see if it's included.
Patricia
could you kindly see if camapigne/campagne is included?
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Hello Patricia
I would be grateful if you could look up the name D'armand on your CD especially in relation the Ireland as I believe the name Deyermond is a derivative of this old huguenot name.
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Stevie.
Sorry, nothing shown for D'armand but there are several entries for Armand, 35 to be exact.
Marky.
Nothing for Camapigne or Campagne
Patricia
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Hi Patricia,
would you be able to see if there is any Disturnal on the cd the name had may spellings Disturnell,Destournel,Destournel,Distornal and the original spelling D'estournelles
many thanks for looking
Donna
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Hi Donna,
No sorry, nothing recorded on the CD
Patricia
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Thank you for looking
Donna
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Hi Patricia
Does the name Beaufoy appear in your lists? My husband's family have a connection and it was always said that they were Huguenots. They seem to have lived around Meriden and done the odd bit of intermarrying!
Pat
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Julia Sawalha is the last of the latest 'celebrities' on BBC TVs Who Do You Think You Are programme (in UK Wednesday 9pm BBC1)
The programme tells of her father's Jordanian/Bedouin family and her English mother's Huguenot ancestors.
This might be an opportunity to see how their researchers go about looking into Huguenot researches.
SM ...
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Hello
I have been told that the Dent name in my family was adopted out of gratitude to Dents the glovemakers . I quote my father below..
"My Grandmother Williams, nee Dent, always said that her side of the family came over from France as Huguenots. She maintained that this ancestor was a jockey who was taken in by the Dent Glove family of Nottingham in and he changed his name to Dent out of gratitude. Unfortunately, I have no idea what his original French name was and Grandma Williams didn't know either."
I thought the Dents were based in Warminster and do not understand the reference to Nottingham however it is possible they had a factory there . I just wonder if anyone has any record or way of knowing what peoples previous names were? Can we find out this thought of thing? Any thoughts would be most welcome.
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We have always been told that the Bellamy family (my grandmother's maiden name) from Lincolnshire were originally Huguenot refugees. This is a story my mother was told, her grandfather etc etc. Is there any way of finding out?
Thanks Lisa
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Hi leam,
Welcome to rootschat.
Have you traced your BELLAMY family through the census?
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Hello
Yes, so far as I can. On the 1841 census my great great great grandfather was William Bellamy born around 1800 in the Spalding area of Lincolnshire (he married Elizabeth Thorpe). All the Bellamy men seem to have been called William!
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Why not post a look up request for his baptism on the Lincolshire board.
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I have always thought that my husbands grandmother who's maiden name was Saint might have been descended from the Huguenots but now it seems his 2 x gt grandfather was born in Staffordshire and was in the iron trade, doesn't sound likely to me now. :-\
Patrish.
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joanl and shearg are researching BELLAMYS in Lincolshire. It might be worth sending them a PM.
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Good idea, thanks. How do I find them on the "board"? Sorry as I'm new to this, not sure what to do!
Thanks
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Sorry to anyone who has asked recently for a look up on the CD, it's playing up >:( I will get back to you when I can fathom out what it's doing. :P
Patricia
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Good idea, thanks. How do I find them on the "board"? Sorry as I'm new to this, not sure what to do!
Thanks
You can either go to the main board, click search rootschat and enter their name.
If that doesn't come up with anything....
Go to home page click on [more stats] just under users online
click on the total members number
click on search for users
enter name and click search
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Thanks. Tried that but must be doing something wrong as it doesn't work. I can see the total numbers but it doesn't allow me to click on it ....
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you can click on anything that's blue ie. the numbers not the words
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Hi Patricia, Thanks for that, hope you are able to get it back on track soon.
Anna
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Hi i am a newby :D
I recently discovered that my ancestors may be Huguenots from the Picardie regions of france.
The surname is Bettembos or De Bettembos also other variants are Betambeau/betambo/bettenbo/battenbough etc.. the list goes on.
I am aware that a Jean Bettenbos was christened at Walloon or Strangers church, Kent parents were Isaac Bettenbos and Marthe Leroy.
Has anyone got any information on these names, if so it would be grately appreciated.
Lorraine
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I have a CD :)
The Huguenot refugees and their descendants in Britain and Ireland and
List of Foreign Protestants and Aliens Resident in England
1618-1688
If you post the name, I will see if it's included.
Patricia
Please can you check for the name de Frates on your CD.
Thanks Carol
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Sorry to anyone who has asked recently for a look up on the CD, it's playing up I will get back to you when I can fathom out what it's doing.
Patricia
I will let you all know when I can get it working and you can then repost.
Patricia
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Thanks Patricia, I had only just found this part of the website and have been stuck in Rochester with my family for a while now ::)
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Please would you look for the name VILLIERS or its deritives on your CD Thanks
Yvonne
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Patricia -
Could you please look up the name Jory / Jorey / Jury / Jorre on your CD. They settled in the Truro, Cornwall area. Also the name Dingle.
Thanks.
yn9man
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My grandmother's maiden name was Maynard, which is both an English and French surname. Is it a likely Huguenot surname?
Stephen :)
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Sorry to anyone who has asked recently for a look up on the CD, it's playing up I will get back to you when I can fathom out what it's doing.
Patricia
I will let you all know when I can get it working and you can then repost.Patricia
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Hi,
I have just been reading your post and am a little curious.... my grandfather once wrote a little note on his family and added a note to say the Wilson's came from the Hugeenots and were thought to have brought lace making here. Could anyone confirm the link? It would be interesting to find more info. At present I am only back to John Wilson around 1725 in Folkestone and his wife Catherine Minter and am now totally stuck!
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Does anyone know if any Huguenots settled in Lanarkshire? I have found an ancestor called Isobell Muter and I believe the Muters came over from France sometime before the 1750s and 4 brothers settled in the Stonehouse area of Lanarkshire, 3 on farms, and 1 to Edinburgh where I think he went into textiles.
Just wondering if anyone has come across Huguenots living in that part of the country.
Many thanks Linda.
I am currently researching ny family tree and have info about Muters(Mutters) in Scotland which was collected by my maternal grandmother. An Isobel Lahoar appears on that tree. Will send the info if you like.There is also a Lanrkshire connection(Larkhall) Do get in touch. Morag Thomson
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moragthomson -
A BIG welcome to Rootschat.
I am certain that someone on this site will be more than able to assist you in your researching.
Again, welcome to Rootschat and good luck with your research.
yn9man
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Hi Stephen,
Just read your post, and now am a little curious as I to am looking at a Huguenots link as there was a rumour in the family, I also am researching the Maynards and wonder if there is a link between us? I have a Mary Maynard, born 1831 in Tonbridge to a George Maynard, not sure yet where he is from, but London is not too far and wondered if there is a connection to your Maynards? Regards, Carol
My grandmother's maiden name was Maynard, which is both an English and French surname. Is it a likely Huguenot surname?
Stephen :)
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I've sent you a PM.
Stephen :)
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i have Bellamys in my family and my grandmother always said it was originally french, looks like she may have been right then.
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I am looking for information on Muters/Mutters in Larkhall and Stonehouse in Lanarkshire and wonder if you may be able to help me. I have Ann Muter who married Robert Rodger and Janet Muter who married Gavin Rodger. The two Rodgers are brothers but I don't know if the Muters are connected. I am also interested in the descendants of Thomas Mutter and Margaret Denovan.
from Sheila Moss
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I am wondering whether the surname Laband is mentioned in your CD?
Also the surname Huett from la Rochelle ?
Thankyou :)
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Anybody still out there?
My great-great grandmother's name was Richmul Jane Fisher (1820-1896) and married a William DeHaven in the Philadelphia area of Pennsylvania. A census states that her parents were from England, unfortunately, I do not know their names.
It seems like Richmul is a variation of Richmael or Richmal, and could be a misspelling by the census taker. She appears to have used her middle name later in life, and I was wondering if perhaps her mother had the same forename. Does anyone know of any Richmul, (mal or mael), Fisher that may have emigrated probably after the Treaty of Paris and before 1820?
Yeah, I'm grasping. But it seems fairly sure that the name is peculiar to Lancashire and probably Anglo-Saxon in origin? Some DeHavens want to claim French heritage. Could the Richmul Fisher and DeHaven marriage offer a clue, coupling as the progeny of Huguenot refugees who eventually settled in North America? Sorry, sounds like a Michener novel, but does anyone know if Huguenots settled in Lancashire, possibly intermarrying yet preserving a rare forename?
http://www.prenombebe.net/prenom/richmael-au-canada,82043.html (Looks like its a male name here. hmmmm)
Her granddaughter seemed to use the name as well, but it is so garbled in the census, I can only make out the Rich part , so I wonder if it was a family forename sometimes?
Too much conjecture I guess, but it is good to know that her parents were likely from Lancashire.
Thanks
JDB
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Hi all, has anyone had any success locating the name Villiers on the CD? I'm trying to trace my Huguenot ancestors who settled in Ireland and this is the family name. They arrived in Ireland sometime in the 1600's. Any help or light you can shed on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Moshe.
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Hi MosheVilliers,
I thought I had the CD mentioned earlier in this old thread but I cannot now find it, however I do have a CD issued by the Huguenot Society of Great Britain & Ireland called ‘Huguenot Families’ and in it I’m finding mentions of the Villiers surname, although so far no mention of Ireland. It’s not the easiest CD to make sense of but so far I’ve found this:-
1) Villiers is mentioned in a list of families compiled in something called the ‘Wagner Collection’. This means nothing to me but perhaps ‘g**gle’ will come up with something.
2) In 1688 the United East India Company of the Netherlands sent 150 Huguenot refugees to the Cape of Good Hope, South Africa. They were apparently mostly vine dressers and husbandmen who were recruited to develop viticulture and wheat growing and the Villiers surname is mentioned amongst these refugees. Apparently the Huguenot library holds copies of two books – CC de Villiers 'Geslachtregister der Oude Kaapsche Familien', also B de Villiers 2-volume 'De Villiers Genealogical Record (1997)'.
I shall continue trawling through.
Maggie :)
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Continuing …….
I’ve found mention of a family called ‘de Beauvilliers’ amongst a list of Huguenot families allied to the French family ‘Chartres’. There is a whole chapter on this Chartres family, whose name appears in Irish records as early as 1579.
There is evidence of Huguenot settlement in Cork and Lisburn and emigration took place to Ireland before the French Revolution and the Edict of Nantes. Also there is a ‘de Villereau’ family with links to Cork
That seems to be it. Hope it helps a bit.
Maggie :)
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Finally ........
More on the Wagner Collection here:-
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Wagner_Huguenot_Pedigrees
Maggie :)
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Hi Maggie,
Thank you for all the info. I’m sure it will be useful in my search.
I’ve traced the family back to the 1600’s, living in Armagh, N.I.
From what I’ve learnt in my research, the Huguenots were affiliated to the Scottish Presbyterian faith, and I have found records for the family for baptisms and marriages in the Presbyterian church.
There are Flax growers and weavers amongst them, occupations which the Huguenots were known for. There is also mention in the family files of the family name Chartier.
I think this is a variant spelling of Chartres.
Please let me know if you find anymore.
Regards,
Moshe.
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Interesting isn't it Moshe?
Glad to provide a bit of help and I'll certainly have another more in depth look, particularly at the chapter on the Chartres family, of which I would agree the name Chartier could well be a variant of.
Gook luck.
Maggie :)
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My great grand father was born in France his name was Henry Hosier is the name Hosier a French Huguenots thank you
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Hi Ellen - I'll certainly have a look for the name on the CD I have but it may be a day or two before I have time so bear with me.
Maggie :)
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One of my 2Xg maternal grandmothers was Sarah Moule who was christened in Cambridge in 1830.She was the daughter of John Moule and Elizabeth Doggett. Without success I have traced the line back to Thorney which is a Hugenot stronghold. However, I am unable to establish that Moule is in fact a Hugenot name. It sounds as though it should be (French for mussel) but I have not been able to confirm it. Can anyone help please?
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I'll certainly have a look for any mention of Moule on my CD Roger, hopefully tomorrow.
Maggie :)
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My great grand father was born in France his name was Henry Hosier is the name Hosier a French Huguenots thank you
Hi Ellen,
The only mention of the name Hosier that I can find on my CD is of an Elizabeth Hosier (72) who is listed in the burials of St Botoph, Bishopsgate 1803-12. A note attached to this list explains that there is an absence of death and burial registers amongst the records of the various French churches and Huguenots were usually buried in their local parish church so are indistinguishable from everyone else except perhaps for their surnames.
The inference here then is that the name does have Huguenot associations.
The best I can do I’m afraid.
Maggie :)
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One of my 2Xg maternal grandmothers was Sarah Moule who was christened in Cambridge in 1830.She was the daughter of John Moule and Elizabeth Doggett. Without success I have traced the line back to Thorney which is a Hugenot stronghold. However, I am unable to establish that Moule is in fact a Hugenot name. It sounds as though it should be (French for mussel) but I have not been able to confirm it. Can anyone help please?
Hi Roger,
So far I have found this:-
Pierre Moule[?]. The name is amongst a list of a number of French Protestant (Huguenot) soldiers who were mostly disbanded in Ireland and likely to pass over to Holland. However in practice they were presumably free to stay or go as they pleased since they were no longer formally under arms and may have remained in Ireland or England.
I have extracted this information from Irish Huguenot Soldiers Disbanded in 1699 from the Calendar of State Papers Domestic
1699-1700
I'm still looking ;)
Maggie
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Finished checking, Roger - no more mentions of Moule I'm afraid.
Maggie :)
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Finally ........
More on the Wagner Collection here:-
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Wagner_Huguenot_Pedigrees
Maggie :)
Hi Maggie,
Could I ask if you know anywhere these family names are listed online?
I do have one of the Huguenot CDs concerning the Dublin church records and have found the same name as one of my ancestors mentioned. However I seem to have a gap of about 50 years to bridge in order to make a connection back to the Huguenot families from this lady named Mary Nobileau, mentioned in the late 1700s and early 1800s, and others in Dublin with the same family name and similar spellings who can be traced back to Saumur.
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Hi Patricia I wonder if you would mind checking the name Hulet / Hulett for me please? most grateful to you. sue
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Hi DudleyWinchurch,
I'm not managing to find anywhere that they can be viewed online but they have been micofilmed and are available to view at Family History Centres, more detail here:-
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/279321?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Also they have been re photographed by the Huguenot Society of London and are available for purchase as a set and also on individual fiche by Surname. Perhaps a phone call to the Huguenot Society may help.
http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/contact.html
Maggie
Added with apols ........... Sorry DW - I seem to have not read your request properly at all :-[
I shall have a look for the name Nobileau
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Well that is a start Maggie; thanks. I know they retained the surname Moule but it seems reasonable to start looking for a Peter Moule I would think?
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Hi Patricia I wonder if you would mind checking the name Hulet / Hulett for me please? most grateful to you. sue
Hi Sue,
I'm not Patricia I'm afraid but thought you might be interested that I've found this:-
The name Hulett appears in a list of names entitled Research Files in the Huguenot Library.
There is an introductory paragraph pointing out that over the years many Fellows of the Society have donated pedigrees of their families or some of their working papers. These are available in the library, arranged in alphabetical order, and are a first port-of-call for most researchers.
The files also contain many of the reports of the Research Officers. The following is the list of names for which there are envelopes.
However it is pointed out that in a few cases a report was compiled to show whether a surname had Huguenot connections and it turned out not to have, so the presence of a surname in this list is not evidence in itself that the name is Hugenot.
There is no further mention of the name on my CD (‘Huguenot Families’ issued by the Huguenot Society of Great Britain & Ireland.)
Maggie :)
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Well that is a start Maggie; thanks. I know they retained the surname Moule but it seems reasonable to start looking for a Peter Moule I would think?
Glad to be able to provide a little bit of help Roger. The best of luck in finding out more of Peter Mussel ;D
Maggie ;)
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That's a point Maggie,thanks, I Anglicised the Christian name, but not the surname i think because it seems to have been retained as Moule.
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Thankyou very much indeed for all the information Maggie. Very kind of you and a great help.
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You are very welcome Sue.
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Hi again DW,
I can find nothing on Nobileau.
I don't know whether this is any use but there is a ‘dictionary’ complied by the Association des families de l’Anjou, which includes Huguenot families from Saumur, Bauge, Sorges, Loudun, Tours and Ecuille. More info. is available on their website http://assoc.wanadoo.fr/geneadic/ - although I've just had a quick look and the 'dictionary' bit looks to be locked to casual viewers :-\
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Is the cd referenced available for purchase?
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Is the cd referenced available for purchase?
Have a look here Rosamonda:-
http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/publications/huguenot-families.html
My CD covers issues 1-10 of their Huguenot Families publication, which ceased publication in 2008 although back copies are still available.
And welcome to RootsChat :)
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Maggie - Thanks for helping a newbie!
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Maggie - Thanks for helping a newbie!
You are very welcome Rosamonda. I'm sure you will enjoy being a member of RC. There are lots of very knowledgeable folk on here who are always willing to try to answer any questions you may have, also lots of places where you can just drop in for a natter with friends.
Enjoy :)
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Thanks for your reply it was very kind of you
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Hi again DW,
I can find nothing on Nobileau.
I don't know whether this is any use but there is a ‘dictionary’ complied by the Association des families de l’Anjou, which includes Huguenot families from Saumur, Bauge, Sorges, Loudun, Tours and Ecuille. More info. is available on their website http://assoc.wanadoo.fr/geneadic/ - although I've just had a quick look and the 'dictionary' bit looks to be locked to casual viewers :-\
Thanks for that Maggie,
and apologies for the delay in replying. I don't seem to have received a notification of your response. I think that in Saumur, though were Nobelleau, and perhaps also originally in Dublin (in the actual Huguenot records from there, but variants of the name crop up in Dublin from time to time but I can't find any consistent records from before about 1750 to the Mary Nobileau (and variants) who appears to have married my direct ancestor.
It's really finding such records in Dublin that I would need to connect her back to the Huguenot families.
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Hi again DW,
Just to be sure I did another search with the adjusted spelling but still returned no matches.
Looks like Dublin is your best option.
Maggie :)
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Sorry, to hijack the thread, but, I have been researching my German ancestry and I've discovered that my ggg grandmother was a Margarethe Phillipine Morell born in around 1797 in Friedrichsdorf, Hesse (just north of Frankfurt). She gets married to David Berlepsch in Eschwege in 1823. However, the geneologist who assisted me in Eschwege suggested to me Margarethe is likely a huguenot descendant. As Friedrichsdorf was a town founded by huguenot refugees and both her middle name and surname are not of Germanic origin and at least appear to be French. I have since been told Morell is a Huguenot name and the family likely came from either Dauphine or Auvergne. However, I have found nothing to back this up as of yet.
I found my ancestors in Eschwege by getting in touch with the local town archive and church record office, but, have not been able to find contact info for places such as these in Friedrichsdorf as yet. I know this thread has mainly been focused on huguenots who fled to the UK and Ireland. But, if anyone has any experience with huguenots who fled to Germany or anyone who knows how to find the relevant information in Friedrichsdorf then I would greatly appreciate any kind of assistance.
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Hi Faye,
Try here:
http://www.friedrichsdorf.de/freizeitundkultur/kultur/museen/stadtarchiv.php
They specifically mention "Hugenottenakten" (Huguenot records). There is an contact email address on the right-hand side.
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Thank you! Exactly the type of thing i've been looking for.
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Hi everyone here is some links to places that might be a good start to looking for french people.
I am researching here and have found many good sites for help.
I have found that although in french - if you are searching parish records look for the SURNAME in the records and go from there. If I can help anyone try to decipher I will if they need it - I am not French nor do I speak it very well - I am self taught to look at the records.
In researching my french family, I found these records on line and from Huguenot society and from others whom have Cd's I don't... I have also shared and had much help from lots of different people - Now - Ancestry.co.UK has these records coming on-line and it is making it easier, although you do have to subscribe - I subscribe when I need to research more through them, other wise I am researching outside of it.
I have found that once you have a baptism record, for example 9/10 they will give the fathers place of origin - mine for example gave me 'mouvaux proche de l'isle' In the old days the PLACE 'Lille' was spelt 'L'isle' - all this I have found out whilst researching - You will also find that the earlier you get in your research the harder it gets - as in Europe as many know France was at war - in the beginning 'LILLE' was in the Netherlands- it became Spanish and then french.. it is in the place called Pas De Calais. I am not going to go into the different communes of France as there are so many to look at..
My Research name is De SAINT-JEAN - I am using this as explanation - you will find in France a lone there are LOTS and LOTS of this family name - noble families, working families, and more besides, and no they are not linked. You will also find that as the French were very Catholic at the time - there are parts of France that changed to the Protestant faith - for reasons I am not going into here, to much information - You have to look EVERYWHERE - and all places to find what you are looking for - look at ALL variants of the name you are looking for - take one place at a time and work from there. It takes a long long time but it is worth it in the end.
Also remember because of the Protestant religion - these people often moved their families around - 9/10 they ended up either in Leiden - UK, jersey, Guernsey, Ireland, and sometimes further a field if they could get there. I have also been informed recently - that back in the mid C16th moving around was often done by river more than road ways.. also that the records for C1600 and before are very, very limited because of the religious wars an awful lot have been destroyed - and not many survive prior to this date. There were more or less three different lots of people moving out of France - late C1500's early C1600 mid C1600 was a huge move for a lot of people, because of the Edict of Nantes. Also - there were some of our noble families who asked some people to come to England because of the beautiful work they produced.
hope this is all useful to some people whom are looking in France...
Private message me if you have a question I may be able to help ;)
sj
Here is a list of links:
http://www.archivesdepartementales.lenord.fr/
this site is very good if you know what place you want. for EG:- I wanted 'Mouvaux' so i click the
accept conditions first 'j'ai accepte condtitions' - then on entry you want ARCHIVES EN LIGNE found top right
in the box that opens on the LEFT hand side in the orange click ETAT CIVIL
then click in the middle section Actes d'état civil this gives records from around C1600 onwards
in the COMMUNE box choose your place..
It can be very disorientating at first - but once done a few times it will become 2nd nature.
http://www.archivespasdecalais.fr/
http://www.lillechatellenie.fr/porte/
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bodine/ family Bodine
http://www.heraldica.org/topics/britain/Vismes.htm#French_family de visme family
http://www.lillechatellenie.fr/cms/index.html (contracts of marriage if you know the name from LILLE)
http://notairesdartois.voila.net/ these charge
http://www.archive.org/stream/ourparishbooksw00cowpgoog#page/n148/mode/2up overseers book Holy Cross West gate Canterbury
reading of historical things:-
http://www.pipeline.com/~cwa/Wittstock_Phase.htm
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communes_du_Pas-de-Calais communes pas de calais
https://archive.org/stream/historyoffrenchw00burn#page/4/mode/2up History of french and walloons in England
http://www.brh.org.uk/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/THE-SPITALFIELDS-SILK-WEAVERS.pdf
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Hi, Regarding Pierre Jacob Carey born 1706 (married to Marie Du Chattel) mentioned by Margaret1 over 13 years ago, on 6/9/2006 I would like to make contact if possible as Pierre appears to be my ancestor to.
Can anybody help me
Regards
Dave
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Hi, Regarding Pierre Jacob Carey born 1706 (married to Marie Du Chattel) mentioned by Margaret1 over 13 years ago, on 6/9/2006 I would like to make contact if possible as Pierre appears to be my ancestor to.
Can anybody help me
Regards
Dave
Hello Dave,
It is only recently that I have resumed my family history research after many years therefore, apologies for not responding earlier.
It's wonderful that you are possibly descended from Pierre Jacob Carey and Marye Du Chattel I am happy to share any details about my line an/or research these ancestors together if you wish.
All the best, Margaret
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Patricia,
Is the cd an exhaustive list of Huguenots?
Peter
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Not certain if there are any of the resources or researchers om these posts still active or if the information listed is elsewhere on-line.
BUT I am hopeful someone will help
Peter LONGUES somtimes Longes was an ironmonger at 66 Barbican and went bankrupt after which he became clerk of the militia. He was a Freeman of London.
Recently I found this :
Proceedings of the Huguenot Society of London - Volume 15 - Page 365
books.google.com.au › books
Huguenot Society of London • 1937 • Snippet view
FOUND INSIDE – PAGE 365
It is hoped to trace the ancestry to a Huguenot origin of Peter Longues , buried in 1786 at St. Luke's , Old Street , and Richard Longes , son of Peter and Elizabeth Longes , born 1751 , died 1813 , buried at Spitalfields .
I am inclined to think he was of Hugenot extraction because he was a tradesman, the spelling of the surname suggests french origin and Peter is a moderately rare christian name in britain. Also from these posts I learnt that Spitalfields was a Huguenot Society. Peter had also lived in the Cripplegate area.
I do not have my records to hand but i think that Peter's father may have been a butcher further north in England though that may be remembered in error.
Thank you for your patience and responses.
Regards
phenolphthalein (pH)