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Hi all
Looking for info on Lane family in Somerset [possibly Templecloud] Charles born 1809 unknown parents. Transported to Australia 1829 onboard claudine for a life sentence. He must have been pardoned because he married in 1842 to Ann Lord [Lloyde] and had a few children .
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G'Day Marriedwithkids.
Somerset records are very hard to find just yet, but here's what I can tell you about your Charles LANE.
First off, he would not have been pardoned to get married, convicts could marry in Australia after 7 years {I think}, it was deemed by those who knew best that there was no hope of a convict getting back to England, so remarriage was quite ok & Legal.
A life sentence impossed in England amounted to a 14 years sentence in the colony. Even then you could get less time than the 14 years for being of good behaviour.
Charles LANE married Ann LLOYDE at Christ Church, in the parish of Hexham, Newcastle, NSW
They had Ten children in areas surrounding their marriage place.
MARY 1842 bapt C of E in the parish of Hexham
CHARLES 1843 bapt Methodist Hunterr River, Newcastle
JAMES 1845, bapt Methodist, Maitland
WILLIAM H 1847, bapt Methodist, Maitland
ALBERT 1852, bapt Methodist, Maitland
EDWARD 1854. bapt Methodist, Maitland
Un named FEMALE 1856, Newcastle
ALFRED 1858, Newcastle
Un named Male 1860, Newcastle
Un named FEMALE 1862, Newcastle.
Charles died in 1874 in Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia.
The registration gives his parents names as James & Catherine LANE.
I know this doesn't give a place of birth, but it might help oin some way.
Cheers
Geoffmarriedkidsgone ;D
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This helps a lot and thanks
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Hi all
Looking for info on Lane family in Somerset [possibly Templecloud] Charles born 1809 unknown parents. Transported to Australia 1829 onboard claudine for a life sentence. He must have been pardoned because he married in 1842 to Ann Lord [Lloyde] and had a few children .
I AM A DIRECT DESCENDANT OF CHARLES LANE AND HAVE ALL HIS HISTORY,,, THE INFORMATION POSTED PREVIOSLY IS MOSTLY WRONG,, HE WAS BORN IN TEMPLE CLOUD IN 1809 BUT DIED IN NEWCASTLE AUSTRALIA,, BISHOPGATE ST WICKHAM,, IN 1899,, THE LIST OF HIS CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN ETC IS AVAILABLE FROM MYSELF,,, HE MARRIED ANN LORD NOT LLOYDE AND SHE HAS HER OWN HISTORY,,, HIS FATHER WAS JAMES AND HE BECAME A POLICEMAN HERE IN NEWCASTLE AUSTRALIA,,, I HAVE CONTACTS IN WALES FROM HIS BROTHER MARK LANE AND FAMILY MEMBERS EVERY WHERE
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Hi Brett
Intersted in chatting to you about the Lane linage you have, as I am a descendant down the line of Emily Lane.
We have some info that may be able to assist, but are a little short in other areas.
Sue
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YES,, CHARLES WAS MY GGG GRANDFATHER 1809=1899 BORN IN TEMPLE CLOUD TO JAMES LANE AND ANN BRODRIBB,,, HE DIED IN NEWCASTLE AUSTRALIA 2 -12 1899 AND HAD LOTS OF CHILDREN,,,, MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS (*), IF YOU CONTACT ME I CAN SEND YOU A FAMILY HISTORY,,, MY MOTHER IS LILIAN PARKER NEE LANE.
BRETT PARKER
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BY THE WAY HE MARRIED ANN LORD NOT LLOYDE,, DAUGHTER OF JAMES LORD CONVICT AND MARIA COVERLY CONVICT,,, HE WAS PARDONED AND BECAME A POLICE CONSTABLE IN 1832 A POSITION HE KEPT FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND WAS ONE OF THE FIRST CONSTABLES IN NEWCASTLE,,, HE HAD A LIFE SENTENCE AND EVEN AFTER PARDON WAS NEVER PERMITTED TO RETURN TO UK
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Hi Brett
PM sent to you
Regards
Sue
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Hello Sue
Emily Maria Lane married Joseph Mark Bennett, my great-grandparents. Charles Lane therefore is my great-great-great grandfather.
Have info from Lane family reunion from about 20 years ago in Newcastle, NSW.
Regards,
Nova67
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Hi Nova67
PM sent with email.
Sue
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James Lane married Ann Brodribb?
This post should mainly be of interest to the many Novocastrian decendants of Charles Lane from Temple Cloud in the parish of Cameley in Somerset. He was a miner, convict, and then became a police constable and bailiff in Newcastle NSW.
I am wondering, as has been suggested recently on Ancestry.com, about my g-g-g-g grandparents as to which Ann married James Lane and why we are thinking Ann Brodribb? Have been doing some research and found the following:
The baptismal/burial information all comes from Free Reg:
http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.pl
The marriage of Ann Brodribb and James Lane was found on the Bristol and Family History Society Marriage Index Vol 8 Diocese of Bristol 1813 - 1837, page 412. They married 23 April 1817 at St Mary's Redcliffe, Bristol, by Banns and both OTP.
Baptisms:
26 Oct 1817 Willm Brodribb Lane (William Brodribb Lane)
25 Dec 1818 James Lane
22 Sep 1822 Thomas Lane
22 Aug 1824 Frederick Lane
All St Augustine Hippo, Clutton, Somerset. Abode: Clutton. Parents: James and Ann Lane. Father's occupation: Cordwainer.
Burials:
14 Nov 1817 Willm Brodribb Lane
St Augustine of Hippo, Clutton, Somerset
Reg No: 110
Age 6w
Abode: Clutton
1 July 1828 Frederick Lane
St Augustine of Hippo, Clutton, Somerset
Reg No:348
Age 3
Abode: Clutton
17 May 1826 Anne Lane
St Augustine of Hippo, Clutton, Somerset
Reg No: 294
Age 37
Abode: Clutton
28 Oct 1831 James Lane
St Augustine of Hippo, Clutton, Somerset
Reg No: 417
Age 49
Abode: Clutton
An alternative marriage to an Ann was found on Bristol and Avon Family History Society Marriage Index Vol 10, North Somerset Parishes 1754 - 1837, however, there is a date/name discrepancy with what was found on Free Reg, so I've included both:
Per BAFHS,
James Dale or Lane married Ann Thiery
21 Dec 1794
East Harptree (Parish) Both OTP.
By Banns.
Groom's Occupation: Labourer
Per Free Reg,
James Lane married Ann Thiery
10 Sep 1795
Reg No: 120
St Lawrence, East Harptree, Somerset
Groom's Occupation: Lab
There is a baptism for an Ann Thiery in 1777 at St Margaret's, Hinton Blewett.
Baptismal information found for a James (15 June 1802) and George Lane (16 Mar 1805) of parents James and Ann Lane at St Mary the Virgin, Litton, Somerset. Abode: Hinton Blewett.
Baptismal information found for St James, Cameley, Somerset:
Charles Lane (22 Apr 1810), Ann Lane (30 Aug 1812) Fa: Labourer, Eliza Lane (1 Sep 1814); Burial (3 Oct 1814), Fa: Labourer Abode: Temple Cloud, Mark Lane (25 Aug 1816), Fa: Labourer, Abode: Temple Cloud. All children of James and Ann Lane. Did not find a William c.1807 ? UPDATE: there is a William LAKE (2 Aug 1807) to James and Anne Lake. Probably him.This has been checked by Free Reg and will be amended to LANE on the next update of the records.
Well, this is open to debate. Settlement documents (Somerset Archives) indicate that George Lane (on census b. East Harptree) was a child labourer as a "servant in husbandry". He states that he was born in Hinton Blewitt and moved from his parents' James and Ann Lane's parish of Cameley to Chewton Mendip.
Hope this helps.
Nova67
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I am trying to link the two related topics together. The other relates to "Charles Lane Family History Local History", but if I google it, it now takes you to an unrelated post ???
Link to other thread added
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,11560.new/boardseen.html#new
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I have now ordered the death and marriage certificates for Charles Lane from:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm
I believe his death per the historical index is:
Reg No: 15740/1899 Charles Lane. Instead of parents names it gives age 90 years and died Wickham. Reg district: Wickham, therefore, I assume informant must not know his parents names. I believe he died at his daughter's house.
There is another Charles Lane listed in the historical index, born 1874 and died 1874, with parents James and Catherine, perhaps this is where the suggestion of Catherine came from?
I am hoping there will be some indication of parent/s on his marriage cerificate, but hard to know with these older ones if such information is recorded.
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Both BAFHS and FREE REG have kindly checked the entry for James Lane and Ann Thiery and agree on the date 1794.
Entry 120, 21 Dec 1794, after Banns
James DALE labourer of this parish married
Ann THYERY of this parish
Witnesses: Thos CHAPPLE and Edward HARPER
The groom and bride Marked.
Next to the marks is written James LANE and Ann THIERY ???
There is a baptism for a child called Betty (b. 1796) and Mary Dale (b.1798) at St Margaret's, Hinton Blewett to James and Ann Dale.
Charles Lane's marriage and death certificates do not reveal parentage. As anticipated, Mary Ann Mayo, his eldest child is the informant and it has written "Not Known" for either parent. It does give occupation of father as "Miner". No information has come to light that James Lane was a Miner, but he may have been? Have only ever seem him recorded as Labourer on children's baptisms, or as a servant in 1833. His son's were Miners.
If it was Ann Brodribb they wouldn't have married until 1817? Charles born. abt 1809.
Baptised 1810. Ann, even giving rounding up of ages in 1841 census and age on death certificate, would have been getting old to be having the children baptised in Clutton after 1817, and her husband is a cordwainer.
Anyway, this is probably very confusing ::) and the only replies are from me :(
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Hi Nova67 I am also a descendant of Charles Lane - Edward - Spencer - Sydney, all of Newcastle. How do we get in touch? I also saw a reply by Nathan Lane from 2005 and he had info about Charles in England.
Peter Lane
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PM sent
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Thanks Nova67 I recieved your message but at the moment I dont have permission to send a message back.
Will be in touch.
Peter
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I think the personal message function might work now that you have replied.
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Hi Nova67 and Peter. I am also a descendant of James Lane and Ann Thiery. Is there a way we can all talk via e-mail. I am in contact with Nathan Lane and also another researcher Michael Flynn, we are all researching the same line.
I would be interested to know if you have the parents of either James or Ann and if we have the same list of children for the couple.
Thanks
Deb
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Hi Debbie I have sent you a private message.
kind regards Peter
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Both BAFHS and FREE REG have kindly checked the entry for James Lane and Ann Thiery and agree on the date 1794.
Entry 120, 21 Dec 1794, after Banns
James DALE labourer of this parish married
Ann THYERY of this parish
Witnesses: Thos CHAPPLE and Edward HARPER
The groom and bride Marked.
Next to the marks is written James LANE and Ann THIERY ???
There is a baptism for a child called Betty (b. 1796) and Mary Dale (b.1798) at St Margaret's, Hinton Blewett to James and Ann Dale.
Hello back
I do not have any thoughts on James Lane's parents. Not sure about the Thierry bit because of the two girl's baptized to parents called Dale. I am not dismissing it, but it just adds to the confusion, either way - DALE or LANE ???
But then I cannot find a trace of the "Dale" family after that! Maybe because they are Lane's after all!!!
I have seven children for James and Ann:
James (1802-1847), George (1805-1887), William (1807-1874), Charles (1809-1899), Ann (1812- ?), Eliza (1814-1814) and Mark (1816-1877). As in Reply#10 (baptisms mentioned towards towards the end of the message). What I think anyway re dates.
Two of Charles's children married two grandchildren of William Ledgerwood. Both men were Convict Constables and I am a direct descendant of both men.
I did look into Ann Thierry's background and parents, despite being unsure about it, but seem to have erased it from my Ancestry tree.
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Please if you are going to join the forum do acknowledge any responses. You will find a lot of really helpful people who spend a lot of time and effort and just appreciate your thanks. It will break down many brickwalls, teaching you a lot in the process. Then you pass it on. Also, being a forum, why not make it an open discussion? But that is really up to you.
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Thanks for your reply, I only saw it a few minutes ago. Like you I have no parents for either James or Ann. I have the same children as you however believe that Betty and Mary belong to them also. You maybe interested in the following
Notes on James and Ann Lane of Temple Cloud and Chew Magna
by Michael Flynn July 2014
email address:
incomplete draft - feedback, corrections and additional information very welcome
When quoting this text please credit it with this citation:
Notes on James and Ann Lane of Temple Cloud and Chew Magna by Michael Flynn, July 2014.
Children of James Lane (c1777?-1842) and m Ann Thiery (c1770?-1841)
1 James Lane : b 1802 Hinton Blewett (bap Litton)
2 George Lane : b c1805 Hinton Blewett (bap Litton) - d after 1851
m Mary Ann c1833
3 William Lane : bap Cameley 13 Sep 1807 – after 1851 : m Eliza Wood 1828 Clutton
4 Charles Lane : bap Cameley 22 Apr 1810 – d 1899 Newcastle NSW
:m Ann Lord 1842 Newcastle NSW
5 Ann Lane : bap Cameley 30 Apr 1812
6 Eliza Lane : bap Cameley 1 Sep 1814 – buried 30 October 1814 age 2 months
7 Mark Lane : bap Cameley 25 Aug 1816 – d 1877 Six Bells, Monmouthshire
m Sarah Cowdrey 1837 Chew Magna
James Lane was born around 1777 in the county of Somerset.[1] He married a woman named Ann some time prior to 1802. She was also Somerset-born and apparently a few years his senior. The couple had seven known children up to 1816, one of whom died in infancy. The first two children, James (1802) and George (1805) were born in Hinton Blewett and baptised in the adjacent parish of Litton.[2] The two villages were 3km (2 miles) apart.
The couple were probably the James Lane and Ann Thiery married at East Harptree on 21 December 1794, both signing with their X marks (his surname written as Dale in the register was corrected to Lane). Thomas Chapple and Edward Harper were witnesses. East Harptree, just 3-4km distant, adjoined the other two parishes. No baptisms have been traced for any children born to the couple during 1794-1801. Either they had no surviving children in this period or they lived in another parish where records remain unindexed. War with France was raging and many men were absent on war service. The first sighting of the couple in known records is the baptism of their son James in June 1802 in the parish of Litton. The register noted that the family was resident in the adjoining parish of Hinton Blewett.
Ann was probably the Ann Thiery who had two children born out of wedlock baptized in the parish of Litton (Betty on 8 March 1785 and Sarah on 5 May 1788). The 1788 Litton baptism entry mentions that Ann was living in Hinton [Blewett], suggesting a similar place of residence to 1802.
There was another Ann Thiery in the area who was baptized at Hinton Blewett on 12 October 1777 and married John Carter in the same parish on 18 July 1796. She was the daughter of William and Betty Thiery. Her father was a yeoman farmer with property in the parish who was of a higher social status than the Lanes.[3] Mrs Ann Carter is clearly identified in the 1851 census living with her brother with the unusual name Bevis Thiery:
1851 census Charterhouse, Somerset
Bevis Thiery Head W Male 75 1776 Farmer Of 460 Acres Employing 6 Lab born Hinton Blewett, Som
Ann Carter Sister Married Female 73 1778 Wife born Hinton Blewett, Somerset
Hannah James Sister W Female 64 1787 Farmer's Sister born Hinton Blewett, Somerset
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Continued
Clearly there were two Ann Thierys in Litton and Hinton Blewett in the 1790s. The one who had a baby out of wedlock in 1785 couldn't be Ann Thiery baptised in 1777. This means that the older Ann Thiery must be the one who had the two babies out of wedlock and seems to be the same Ann Thiery who had children with James Lane. This would mean she bore children over a 31 year period between March 1785 and August 1816. She might conceivably have borne her first child at 15-16 and her last at 46-47. This would place her year of birth around 1769-1770 (consistent with the age 71 given in the parish register at her burial in 1841). Her baptism record has not been identified. The Cameley register does not give birth dates at this period, so August 1816 is the date of baptism of the youngest child, Mark Lane, not his birth. The Lanes might have waited months or a year or two to baptise the children. Mark Lane gave the age 36 for the 1851 census, suggesting a year of birth in 1814-1815.
It seems likely that Ann Thiery was a very young girl in 1785 and there is no reason to suppose that Thiery was her married name. But no baptism for her has been identified so far. She would presumably be related in some near or remote degree to the other Thierys living nearby. All were doubtless descended from the French Protestant refugee Lewis Thiery who had settled in the area in the 1650s.
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[1] 1841 census: born in Somerset county.
[2] The Litton baptism register notes them as Hinton Blewett residents.
[3] TNA, Abstract of Will of William Thiery, Yeoman of Hinton Blewett, Somerset. Proved in the Court of Bath and Wells, December 10 1805, ref IR 26/291/60.
I had the same information as Michael, thankfully.
At the moment we are e-mail each other, could you e-mail me and I can copy you in. I don't want to add too much here at the moment as people tend to copy errors without checking - an examply being the number of people who have Ann Brodribb listed as the wife of James Lane rather than Ann Thyery.
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Hi Debbi
Good to hear back. I will PM my email. Will take a while to digest all this, have only skim read. My descent after Charles Lane m. Ann Lord is William Henry Lane m. Maria Eliza Newman (granddaughter of William Ledgerwood, the other Convict Constable).
Thank you very much :)
N
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Thought......I am not sure why then there is a marriage by date 1794 that fits children baptized DALE in 1796 and 1798 in near by parish? That is the dilemma. No burials or marriages found that make sense for these girls Betty and Mary for either LANE or DALE. Perhaps request FREE REG to do a look up to check the baptismal records ?
Also, the ages for James and Ann could really only be take as estimates per rounding of ages by census takers in 1841. They probably wouldn't have known their own true age. Could they even have got the born in county wrong if they were in the workhouse for the 1841 Census, per the informant? A possibility this is wrong. Maybe they were never formerly married.
Taking forever to type, some keyboard letters are not working ::) I really can spell!
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Deb, Have you checked with FREE REG about the look up? After the whole mix up with the marriage record it would be good to see if they think it is definitely DALE for the two baptisms. It is odd, otherwise I would no problem with the Ann-Thierry-theory. Maybe a swirly old-fashioned "L" could look like a "D"? If it is the same priest recording it as the marriage ??? Handwriting idiosyncrasy, transcription error ??? I contacted the Corrections Coordinators previously re the marriage - or do you want me to do it? The link is highlighted in blue at the bottom of the search page at FREE REG. They will check the actual image.
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Search results from FREE REG:
# Record Type Baptism Date Surname Forename County Place Name Found As
1 Baptisms 27 Feb 1742/43 DALE Betty Somerset Cameley Father Surname
2 Baptisms 07 Apr 1745 DALE Georg Somerset Cameley Father Surname
3 Baptisms 15 Apr 1749 DALE Mary Somerset Cameley Father Surname
4 Baptisms 07 Dec 1752 DALE James Somerset Cameley Father Surname
5 Baptisms 06 Jun 1756 DALE Maurice Somerset Cameley Father Surname
# Record Type Marriage Date Surname Forename County Place Name Found As
1 Marriages 21 Dec 1794 DALE James Somerset East Harptree Groom Surname
# Record Type Baptism Date Surname Forename County Place Name Found As
1 Baptisms 03 Jun 1796 DALE Betty Somerset Hinton Blewett Father Surname
2 Baptisms 08 Apr 1798 DALE Mary Somerset Hinton Blewett Father Surname
Perhaps their is a connection between the James Dale (?) who married Ann Thiery and the one born in Cameley. The only marriages found in Cameley are for the earlier Betty Dale and Mary Dale. Only deaths in Cameley are for Solomon and Alice Dale, parents of the children born in Cameley.
I wasn't specifically looking at Cameley, it is just what came up.
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In regards to Reply#26 have sent request today to FREE REG to examine baptisms.
Handwriting examples:
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/cs/Satellite?c=Learning_C&childpagename=UKLearningCenter%2FLearning_C%2FPageDefault&cid=1265124425857&pagename=LearningWrapper (http://www.ancestry.co.uk/cs/Satellite?c=Learning_C&childpagename=UKLearningCenter%2FLearning_C%2FPageDefault&cid=1265124425857&pagename=LearningWrapper)
Makes you still wonder ???
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The Hinton Blewett baptismal registers have been checked and the name is definitely DALE, per FREE REG.
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Hi I am a descendant of James Lane and Ann Thiery. They are my GGGG grandparents. My grandmother is Elvira Elizabeth Lane of Sixbells Abertillery (where I was born). Her father is James Lane born Llanhilleth 1888 and mother Daisy Louisa Davies born Merthyr Tydfil 1898. His father was Mark Lane born Somerset 1841 and mother Elizabeth Cooper born Somerset 1841. Marks brothers and sisters that I have been able to find were: Worthy born abt 1843, Alfred 1852, Charles 1838, James 1840, Harriet 1837. Their parents were Mark Lane born Camley in 1816 who married in Chew Magna Somerset in 1837/38 to Sarah Cowdrey/Cawdry 1816. Marks parents were James Lane 1769 and Ann Thiery 1771. I have found what I think maybe a possiblity of his parents: Richard Lane 1721 who married 3/7/1753 Wellington Shropshire to Jane Neuns 1721. Richards father and mother were Henry Lane 1695 and Mary 1699. My only query of this is: there is a Henry Lane married to a Jane Neuns. So there seems to be a cross over of names. I cannot find Ann Thiery in Somerset, however the name does suggest French origins. If you would be willing to share information I would be very grateful of this and I am of course willing to share anything of my tree. However I do not know how to share my private email address on the site. If you would be willing to talk me through this I would be eternally grateful
Kind regards
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I have sent you my email via personal message system. You have to make a certain amount of replies before you can use it.
Multiple family members have tested with Ancestry DNA and show links to many of James Lane and Ann’s (still no clarification on her maiden name) descendants, particularly seeming to clarify that William Lane bap. 1807 emigrated to Pennsylvania,USA.
Kind Regards
N