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Title: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: aderyn on Wednesday 28 December 05 13:49 GMT (UK)
Does anyone have any information on Edward and Elizabeth Owens or Owen and family from Radnorshire possibly around Abbey cwm hir.
At that time they would have been aged around 41 and 39 respectively.
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: rhys on Wednesday 04 January 06 07:56 GMT (UK)
Hello Aderyn

1841 Radnorshire
HO1O7 1455 F 7 P 8
Abbeycwmhir
GOLLON
SHOP
all OWENS
Edward 40 ag lab y
Elizabeth 40 n
Elizabeth 12 y
Jane 10 y
Mary 8 y
Margaret 6 y
Ann 3 y
Thomas 4 months y

Rhys
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: aderyn on Wednesday 04 January 06 09:47 GMT (UK)
Rhys,

It looks like you've come up with the goods again on this one.

Elizabeth the younger was my 2x g-grandmother she married Edward Meredith on December 24th 1845, so that would put her at 17 at the most, providing her age is correct.
It would be interesting to the 1851 census to see if she had left the family home.

Thank you Rhys you have been a great help to me.
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: rhys on Wednesday 04 January 06 10:42 GMT (UK)
Hi Aderyn
KMO has provided the 1851 census details for Elizabeth in your Meredith query
the 1851 details for Edward and family are

1851 ABBEY CWMHIR
HO107 2494 17 11
Gollon
Smiths Shop
Edward Owens h m 50 ag labourer RAD Nantmel
Elizabeth Owens w m MONT Llandinam
Margaret Owens d u 16 RAD Abbey cwmhir
Ann Owens  d u 11  RAD Abbeycwmhir
John Owens s u 5 RAD Abbeycwmhir

The inhabitants of the next house may be a connection
Gollon
BLINDMANS HOUSE
Edward Owens  h m 77 Chelsea pensioner 1/2 Pay RAD Abbeycwmhir
Maria 0wens  w m 71 GLO Youtanderage?
Elizabeth Owens d u 39 Sicily ? Pharo
Josia Owens gs u 10 RAD Abbeycwmhir
Edward Owens gs u 6 RAD Abbeycwmhir
Mariah Owens 6 gd u RAD Abbeycwmhir

The only place in Gloucestershiire i can think of for Youtanderage is Wooton Under Edge

Rhys
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: aderyn on Wednesday 04 January 06 12:40 GMT (UK)
Rhys,

That's absolutely fabulous, Elizabeth junior had left the household, which complies with her earlier marriage.

Their neighbours sound interesting, maybe they are Edward's parents and family?

Next thing is for me to take a trip up to Abbey cwm hir and see what if anything is left, also a browse around the local churchyard wouldn't be a bad idea.

Thanks again for everything Rhys I couldn't have managed without your help.

John
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: cherryg on Sunday 07 September 08 19:39 BST (UK)
Hi - I just found your rootsweb conversation of 2005 when searching the net for refs to Blindmans Cottage, Abbeycwmhir. If you're still active on this site, please let me know if you're still interested in the Edward Owens, the Chelsea Pensioner, who was living next door to your Edward Owens in the smith's shop. He was my 3x gt grandfather, and I've done a lot of research on the family tree. I don't know how the family connects with your Edward next door, but we might find a common link if we could compare trees. I also have photos of the old smithy and Blindmans Cottage.
Cherry
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: baracws on Monday 08 September 08 08:57 BST (UK)
cherryg,

Thank you for your very kind offer, but I have since discovered that my Edward Owen was at Ffynnon-garreg near Bwlch-y-Sarnau in 1841 and he died during the same decade.

Regards, baracws
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: cherryg on Wednesday 10 September 08 08:10 BST (UK)
Hi there - Sorry your family didn't live next door to mine!
I do however have an Edward and Margaret Owen of Ffynongarrig with children David and Sarah, who were both baptised Feb 10th 1824. Edward's occupation is given as 'labourer'. Are these likely to be your relatives? There seems to have been a joint christening on that day along with my Edward and Maria's youngest child, Josiah, and another couple, and there are indications from the record that all three families were connected.
Cherry
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: baracws on Wednesday 10 September 08 09:16 BST (UK)
cherryg,

Thanks for that very interesting information. From the 1841 census.
Radnorshire 1841
ABBEYCWMHIR

HO107 1455 ED 7 F 9 P11
GOLLON
Fennongarreg  (Ffynnongarreg)
OWEN, Edward,  50, Farmer, No
OWEN, Elizabeth,  45, Y
REES, Sarah,  25, F.S., Y
REES, Hanah,  3, Y
REES, Thomas,  1, Y

So it's possible that Elizabeth was Edwards second wife. Edwards daughter, also named  Elizabeth was my G,G, Grandmother, who married Edward Meredith on Christmas eve 1845. I have a copy of their wedding certificate, which got me on the trail of Edward Owen.

Thanks again, Baracws
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: cherryg on Wednesday 10 September 08 09:55 BST (UK)
Thanks for the swift reply! Hope you'll find something useful in the baptism info - do you know when or where your Edward & Elizabeth were married? It would probably say on the record if he was a widower.

From the notes I took, looking at the Parish Registers in the Powys Records Office very recently, I see that the Edward & Margaret Owen who baptised David and Sarah in 1824 also had a William, 1820, and Elizabeth 1826. I'd be interested to hear if you do make a connection, and if I find our trees linking up, I'll be sure to let you know! Do you know who the Rees members in the household were, on your census return? There is an Elizabeth Rees in ours too, b. around 1758, who married John Owens. It seems to be quite a common name in the area, and I haven't found out any more about her yet.

Cherry
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: baracws on Wednesday 10 September 08 11:39 BST (UK)
cherryg,

The 1826 birth of their other daughter Elizabeth ties up nicely with her known age.
Sorry I have no information on Edwards marriage to his second (I now believe) wife Elizabeth.
It would also be nice to know the maiden name of Margaret, as she being the mother of my G.G. Grandmother.

Thanks for helping me with this.

Regards, baracws
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: baracws on Wednesday 10 September 08 12:44 BST (UK)
cherryg

Found the following on the curiosfox website

David Owen b. circa.1819 (May 06 Red)

Looking for info on the family of David Owen of Gollon. Father was Edward Owen (Labourer) on marriage certificate in 1843.at St. Harmon

Looks like the same family? Were Sarah and David baptised at St. Harmon?

I'll have to take a trip up to Llandrindod records office to see what I can dig out. Would they hold marriage records prior to 1837?
Title: Powys Records
Post by: cherryg on Thursday 11 September 08 08:27 BST (UK)
Hi there - the Powys Records Office can be checked out at http://www.powys.gov.uk/index.php?id=647. (or just use www.powys.gov.uk and go through from there). If you click on the section 'Our Records' on the right, in the next window you'll see Parish Registers for the different counties; click on eg Radnor and a list of available registers comes up. All these registers are stored on microfilm and I found it very helpful to figure out in advance which ones I wanted to look at. You do need to book a seat in advance as the space in the research room is very limited. The staff are very helpful.

The parish registers have records going back well before 1837, some to around 1600, but the early ones can be very difficult to read on microfilm. I found most of the late 18th/early 19th c. ones well set out and easy to read, though the ordering can be tricky between sections, and you need to keep a close eye on the list of dates & events in the registers that the staff lend you to navigate through them. Non-Conformist records are more of a problem, and the info is scanty.

The baptisms I wrote about are from the Llandewi Ystradenni register, so I don't know whether this would be St David's, which is the parish church according to a quick look on the internet, or St Harmon's. The church at Abbeycwmhir was undergoing repairs at the time which is maybe why they shifted it into the next parish. By the way, parish records for Abbeyc.h. are with Llanbister until 1831 (?) when the church at Abbey was finally recognised in its own right. The entries don't always say which church was used, but sometimes GOL is written with the person's name, indicating that they came from Abbey and were presumably 'done' in the church there.

Re the curiousfox entry - not sure - will look more closely. I'm no longer a member of the website there but if you want to pass the info on that I've posted, please feel free.

Good hunting!
Cherry
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: baracws on Thursday 11 September 08 09:04 BST (UK)
Cherry,

Thanks for all that advice, I will certainly book a session at the records office as soon I can conveniently do so.
I will also pass on your information to that chap on curiousfox, although I'm not a member either, I'll find away around that.
After my visit to the records office I will post my findings here to keep you updated with my quest.

Thanks again for all your help.

John, (baracws)
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: cherryg on Thursday 11 September 08 09:33 BST (UK)
Great! Look forward to hearing how you get on.
Cherry
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: baracws on Wednesday 17 September 08 09:22 BST (UK)
Cherry,

I went to the records office at Llandrindod yesterday, but the reel of micro-film for Llanbister was already in use by someone.
But in the short time, which I had reading the film I discovered that Edward Owen married by Banns to Margaret Edwards on the 31st of December 1810 at the parish church.
When I get chance I will re-visit and see what else I can find out about the family.
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: kmo on Wednesday 17 September 08 16:32 BST (UK)
Hi
You can buy transcriptions  of the Llandewi and Llanbister parish registers on CD.
http://www.parishchest.com/shop/index.php?cmd=listlinkeditems&cat=D6102&supplier=&breadcrumb=Parish+Registers%3A+Wales:Powys+FHS
kmo
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: cherryg on Friday 19 September 08 19:29 BST (UK)
Baracws - Have you managed to link this Edward & Margaret Owen to the Edward Owen in your tree as firmly as you would like yet? It would be interesting to decipher the Owen(s) family network around the area. Perhaps we'll turn up that connection between our two families. My family were originally Owens, then most of the following generations gradually dropped it.
Good luck!
Cherry
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: baracws on Saturday 20 September 08 09:29 BST (UK)
Cherry,

It's looking very likely that they are a part of my family tree.
Also found that Edward Owen married Elizabeth Rees in 1833 explaining the link with the Rees family as shown in the 1841 census.
I need to check the parish records for Margaret Owen's death between 1826 and 1833.

Regards, Baracws
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: cherryg on Sunday 28 September 08 01:10 BST (UK)
My Owens family also has a connection with the Rees family; Edward Owens b. 1776 is said to be the son of Elizabeth Rees and John Owens. I haven't found any solid confirming evidence yet, but a Joseph Rees was witness at Edward's wedding in 1799 so it's quite likely to be true. I think it's very likely that there is a link between our two families, but it may take a while before it emerges from the general tangle of Owens in the area!
Best wishes,
Cherry
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1851 census
Post by: Aaron Clancy on Wednesday 21 February 18 03:29 GMT (UK)
I believe from endless researching that this may be our link to my mothers maternal lineage. Mariah who was granddaughter of Edward & Mariah Owens in 1851 Census living in Abbeycwmhir is mentioned as born in Rhayader in 1861 and Abbeycwmtear, Radnorshire in 1871 Census of Aberdare, Glamorganshire. She is ancestor to many people and married Levi Doel in Aberdare. On her daughter Mary's birth cert is says her maiden name was Owens but to this day we still can't find her in the birth register. Her mother it seems was living with parents in 1841 Census as Mariah and by 1851 is perhaps as Servant (as Mary Owens) for Richard & Mary Ann Davis' family in Abbeycwmhir.

FYI: I have just found out a Edward Owens sold their property in 1851 from the    Powys Archives. See
"http://calmview.powys.gov.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=RDBRA%2f1862%2f60&pos=172"
Also see maps of this area from 1857 of Gollon, Abbeycwmhir at:
"http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/ff1a8d90-2185-43cb-833b-f2bb5b07e90b"
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: Aaron Clancy on Friday 23 February 18 23:35 GMT (UK)
From another post regarding Edward Owens' service:
"Hi again, had somewhat of a breakthrough and confirmation to my last post. I was thrown off at first as I kept coming across Edward Owens of Llanbister (5km NE of Abbeycwmhir), especially in the National Archives. However apparently according to Powys archives:
"In the wake of the Restoration, too, he built a small church in 1680, closer to the abbey ruin; this was constituted a chapelry to Llanbister, and continued as such perhaps into the 19th century. The Tithe Survey of 1839 considered Abbeycwmhir to be a part of Llanbister parish,
but Samuel Lewis several years earlier had classed it as a parish in its own right."
So on ancestry I first found the Chelsea Pensioner records confirming his birth date, then in Canada, British Regimental Registers of Service also confirming these details.
Therefor, he must have served in the 81st Foot Regiment; 3rd Garrison Battalion around 25 Jul 1806 and discharged at age 40 in 1815. I do believe this could be the missing piece of the puzzle that could open up this Owens family ancestry.
An Edwardus Owens Baptised 29 May 1776 in St Davids/St Harmon, Radnorshire (also near Abbeycwmhir)."
Title: Re: Owen/Owens family 1841 census
Post by: Llanbister on Monday 26 June 23 17:45 BST (UK)
Hi all, my late father John Owen did some research on our family tree a few years ago.. He managed to trace our family tree back to John Owens (b 1735) of Llanbister who married Elizabeth Jones of Carmarthen. They had 4 children John (b 1759), Mary (b 1762), Elizabeth (b 1765) and Jane (b 1768). John Owens (b 1759) married Mary (of Abbey Chapel / Abbey Cwmhir?) they had a son Edward Owens (1774 - 1854 - Chelsea Pensioner) who married Mariah (b 1780), they had a daughter Elizabeth Owens (b 1812) who had 3 children Mariah Owens (b 1828), Joshiah Owens (b 1841) and Edward Owens (1844 - 1930).  Edward Owen (1844 - 1930) married Harriet Bowen @ Goytre in 1868 and had 8 children - one, Albert being my Great, Great, Grandfather.