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Title: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 01 January 06 16:55 GMT (UK): Hi Sussex Rootschatters

Prior to the construction of a New Vestry to St Mary’s Church in Horsham in 2003, I was commissioned to record the graves and grave sites that were to be removed, following the guidelines as set down by the Council for British Archaeology (CBA) and using their own memorial recording form (re-written for the computer) and drawing a new revised plan to a scale of 1:100 of the monuments within the proposed construction area.

Wherever possible, the visible inscriptions on the stones were recorded and compared against the survey commissioned by the Horsham Urban Council and undertaken by Donald Slyfield in 1952. – but it was found that the details contained within that 1952 survey were very basic, very often only recording the name, year and age at death. Several stones that were illegible in 1952 have produced inscriptions in 2003 by using different lighting conditions and techniques.

A list of the 640 Surnames from that 1952 Survey has now been added to my 1066 Genealogy Website under 'Sussex Archives / Horsham - St Mary MI's. If a surname you are researching is on that list, I would be happy to give you further information.

www.rootschat.com/history/hastings

The most common surname is 'Lintott' which appears 23 times on 12 different memorials.

Top names are:
1. Lintott
2. Kil(l)ner
3. Rowland
4. Mitchell
5. Charman

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: tulstig on Sunday 01 January 06 18:04 GMT (UK): HI Chris,

I am researching the Tullett family,and notice it is included in you list of names. I would be grateful of further info to see if there are any of my Tullett branch buried there.

Thank you ;D

Mark
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: kerryb on Sunday 01 January 06 18:21 GMT (UK): Hi Chris

I have been researching the Stanford's of Horsham and I see that appears on your list. Would be grateful for any details you can provide.

best wishes

Kerry :)
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 01 January 06 21:06 GMT (UK): Hi Mark

Please remember this was done in 1952 and the transcription details of what are on the stone are pretty basic

Stone Number 89

TULLETT John, 6th July 1831 aged 64 years
Daughter Mary - rest illegible

Hope it is part of your family tree

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 01 January 06 21:15 GMT (UK): Hi Kerry

Please remember this was done in 1952 and the transcription details of what are on the stones is pretty basic.

There are 6 stones to the STANFORD Family

Number 253
STANFORD Elizabeth, daughter of John & Mary

Number 256
STANFORD Charlotte, wife of Henry - 8th July 1828 aged 45 years

Number 299
STANFORD Matthew, late of Broadbridge, 7th November 1862 aged 79 years
Mary his wife, 5th January 1851 aged 63 years

Rest to follow in a few minutes, got to get the kids suppers.

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 01 January 06 21:24 GMT (UK): Hi again Kerry

Little ones are fed and watered, so here is the rest of your list.

Number 322
STANFORD Sarah, daughter of James and Mary in 1774

Number 421
STANFORD Ann, daughter of Matthew and Mary of Broadbridge, 1st December 1828
Elizabeth, Daughter in 1829
Frances in 1840
Harriet in 184?

Number 1077
STANFORD Henry on 30th April 1876 aged 64 years
and wife Harriett on 2nd May 1875 aged 54 years

Hope you can link them in with your ancestors

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: tulstig on Sunday 01 January 06 22:31 GMT (UK): Thanks Chris,

Not sure if one of mine yet - Plenty of Johns -so will check them all to see if any fit.

Thanks again, :)
Mark
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: kerryb on Monday 02 January 06 08:24 GMT (UK): Chris

Thank you very much, time to get matching!!!

Thanks again

Kerry
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Colin Charman on Sunday 29 January 06 20:31 GMT (UK): Hello Chris, I'd be very grateful for the Charman MIs from Horsham St Mary. i'm working my way through the burials and trying to work out where they fit in the Charman tribe, but it would be really useful to know who is buried with who.

Regards, Colin Charman
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 30 January 06 09:41 GMT (UK): Hi Colin

Just had a quick look at my Database of Horsham and there are 7 stones that contain CHARMAN information

No 40, 529, 1004. 1005, 1007, 1021 and 1023

Will be posting details in a few moments when I have done my chores

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 30 January 06 09:54 GMT (UK): Colin

My apologies for the lack of information from these stones - but as I put in an earlier post: the original survey commissioned by the Horsham Urban Council and undertaken by Donald Slyfield in 1952. – was found to be very basic and the details contained within that 1952 survey often only recorded the name, year and age at death.

No 40:
CHARMAN Henry, 1781

No 529:
CHARMAN ?

No 1004:
CHARMAN Mary, wife of James, 18th September 1837, aged 61 Years.

No 1005:
CHARMAN, late of 'Crab Tree' (L.B.) 9th April 1813, Aged 66 years and
wife Jane, 21st May 1837, aged 89 years

Next door to the above stone is a footstone (No 1006) that has on it
A.C 1804; T.C. 18?? - it could another Charman grave, but the headstone has gone.

The rest will follow in a few moments

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 30 January 06 10:00 GMT (UK): Colin

No 1007:
CHARMAN Jane, daughter of James and Mary, 11th October 1827 aged 15 years

1021:
CHARMAN Elizabeth, daughter of Elizabeth & James,

A buried Footstone (No 1022) - quite possible it is Charman

No 1023:
CHARMAN Thomas, son of James and Mary, 19th August 1831, aged 18 years

Sorry, but that is all the info that I have

I hope it helps in your research

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Colin Charman on Monday 30 January 06 18:57 GMT (UK): Thanks Chris, much appreciated. Colin Charman
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: painterlady on Friday 10 February 06 10:39 GMT (UK): Please could you look up George about 1879 and Harriet Mitchell about 1850. I'm sure I saw their grave(s) near a huge yew once when in Horsham but it didn't sink in then that they were mine. I would appreciate it if you could check for me.
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 10 February 06 11:41 GMT (UK): Hi Painterlady

There are 6 Mitchell Stones in Horsham, St Mary, but unfortunately I dont think that any match your criteria; although possibly No 449 looks promising.

No 183: MITCHELL Lucy, Wife of John and Daughter of Hugh & Elizabeth Orlton
No 447: MITCHELL Edward, son of Samuel and Phoebe, 1822
No 448: MITCHELL Samuel, son of above, 1833
No 449: MITCHELL Harriett, wife of Isaac, 4th August 1850 and Daughter Ann, 1857
No 919: MITCHELL John, son of Edward and Catherine, 1813 or 1815, aged 66
No 1146: MITCHELL Matthew, 2nd November 1880, aged 65 years

Hope the above may help your research

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: painterlady on Saturday 11 February 06 11:50 GMT (UK): Thank you Chris, you're probably right, not the ones I was looking for but think the Matthew is the son of one of ours'
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 13 February 06 15:03 GMT (UK): Hi AmyUK

Thanks for your private message.

Lincer is Stone Number 883 - 885. which is a group of 4? stones inside a surround.

883 - 885 to my mind is only 3 stones; so am a bit confused as to how in 1952 they managed to describe it as such - See Map for location of same. - they are on the left hand side near to the top.

Stone 1 - Linser Mary, 1st May 1840, Aged 77 years.

Will add the other 3 stones as soon as I have scanned the map in to the computer.

Chris in 1066

NB. Survey & Transcription by Donald Slyfield in 1952, Commissioned by Horsham Urban Council
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 13 February 06 15:21 GMT (UK): Hi again Amy

The way that I interpret this drawing is that there are 4 Head stones shown on the left as |__|__|__|__| with 3 Footstones on the right shown as |-| |-| |-| . The second Head Stone does not appear to have a footstone.

The Linser information is on stone 1 as previously given.

The other stones are as follows:

No 2. PEARSON Four infant children of James & Harriett (London)
PEARSON Mr Sayers - 6th April 1849, aged 19 years and Thomas James, 11th Feb 1864 aged 40 years. James Pearson 1866 aged 90 years and his wife Harriett 1869, aged 83 years. Charles Pearson, 1888 aged 69 Years.

No 3. SAYERS Charles, 4th Feb 1831 aged 88 years and wife An 1830 aged 85 years; and four daughters Phoebe 1781 - 1850; Anne 1779 - 1862; Mary 1784 - 1863; and Harriett 1787 - 1869

No 4. SAYERS Charles, son of Charles and Ann, 24th June 1796 aged 19 years; sister Kitty 1796 - aged 20 years and Richard, infant.

Would suggest that this is a Sayers Family Plot, but one of the Sayers married a Pearson. Where the Linser came in, I have no idea.

Perhaps it makes more sense to you than me

Hope it somehow helps in your research

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Grandad james on Monday 12 June 06 10:11 BST (UK): Hi Chris,
Back in the swing again after health problems and moving home.

Can you let me have any details of BOORER please.

Quote from: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 01 January 06 16:55 GMT (UK)
Hi Sussex Rootschatters

If a surname you are researching is on that list, I would be happy to give you further information.
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 08 July 06 00:23 BST (UK): Hi there

There is just 1 entry for Boorer

No 969:-

BOORER Ann, wife of Robert, 28th December 1878 aged 69 years.

If you have a connection with same; can send you a plan of the stones in the yard.

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: MattD30 on Saturday 12 August 06 16:35 BST (UK): Could you see if there are any references to the names Holden and Wells?

Matt
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 13 August 06 21:47 BST (UK): Hi Matt

They seems to be a family plot for HOLDEN

No 803
John Holden, son of William and Mary, March 1781

No 805
Martha Holden, daughter of John and Martha, 16th April 1744 aged 3 years

No 806
Martha Holden, wife of John, 20th July 1761, aged 58 years

No 807
Betty Holden, daughterof John and Martha, 176?

There is only one stone for WELLS

No 915
Sarah Wells, daughter of John and Mary, 11th April 1811 aged 9 years.

Hope the above helps in your research

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: MattD30 on Monday 14 August 06 00:18 BST (UK): Hi Chris

Thanks for the info. I will check this against what I know about my Holdens and Wells families.

Matt
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: javajune on Wednesday 06 September 06 15:32 BST (UK): Hi Chris:

Researching LAKER in Horsham and noticed the name on your list. They were Non-Conformists so I don't quite understand why any of them were buried in CofE church, unless this was the only burial ground available. There is, obviously, something here I don't understand.

Any details greatly appreciated.

June
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 06 September 06 21:55 BST (UK): Hi June

There is just one Laker monument in St Marys Church at Horsham

No 1116

Thomas Laker, 8th December 1878 aged 56 years.

Hope it is of some use in your research.

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: javajune on Wednesday 06 September 06 23:00 BST (UK): Chris:

Of all the LAKERs in my line, and all from Horsham, not a Thomas amongst them!

Thanks very much for looking.
June
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: ozinnz on Friday 13 April 07 04:07 BST (UK): hello,

Any chance there are any Bakers or Lanhams in the list?
TIA
Emma
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 20 July 07 17:47 BST (UK): Ozinnz

Hi there

In reply to your question:

Any chance there are any Bakers or Lanhams in the list?

There are no Bakers and only 1 Lanham:

29th March 1833, Henry Lanham of Bishopstone, Aged 73 Years.

Hope it helps

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: ozinnz on Saturday 21 July 07 05:17 BST (UK): Dear Chris,

Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately not a match.
regards
Emma
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Tenerife Sun on Saturday 27 December 08 20:16 GMT (UK): HI Chris
My dads family are Mitchell from Horsham/Faygate/Roffey. I was married in St Marys Horsham and my two children christened there.but live abroad now so I can't get there myself so any help you can give me is very much appreciated

Wendy
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 29 December 08 00:30 GMT (UK): Hi Wendy

There are several of the 1170 memorials stones in St Mary's Churchyard, Horsham that bear the Mitchell / Michell surname.

The inscription record that I have was done in the 1950's , commissioned by the then Horsham Urban Council - but it is very basic in the information they wrote down.

No 183, MITCHELL Lucy, Wife of John and daughter of Hugh & Elizabeth Orlton
No 447, MITCHELL Edward, son of Samuel and Phoebe - 1822
No 448, MITCHELL Samuel, son of the above - 1833
No 449, MITCHELL Harriet, wife of Isac - 4th August 1850, and daughter Ann - 1847
No 460, MICHELL Sarah - 1777, Thomas - 1798 = a footstone
No 734, MICHELL Dr (or Drew) Michell - 1800 (rest illegible)
No 735, MITCHELL Sara Harriet, daughter of George and Harriet 1802 (rest illegible)
No 919, MITCHELL John, son of Edward and Catherine - 1813 (or 1815) aged 66
No 1146, MITCHELL Matthew, 2nd November 1880 aged 65 years

Hope the above will be of some use to you

Chris in 1066

NB - When the church decided to build a 2 million pound extension (Vestry) in 2003, I was commissioned to survey, transcribe and record all the the tombstones that they would be moving to accomplish same.
One of the stones was No 460 as listed above, and hopefully I have attached picture of same - please notice how much my transcription differes from the 1950's work
In
Memory of Sarah
Wife of Thomas Michell
Who died July the 10th 1777
Aged 53 years

Also Thomas Michell
Who died 8th October
1798
Aged 72 Years
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Indaloman on Monday 29 December 08 10:07 GMT (UK): Hi Chris

The Lintott's were a wealthy family in Horsham and for many years the Lintott Engineering in Foundry Lane, where amongst other things they made practice torpedos for the RN, it closed in the late 70's.
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 29 December 08 10:26 GMT (UK): Hi Indaloman

Thanks for that extra info - it all helps build up a database of facts

No wonder that Lintott was the most common name on the memorials - they had the money to erect them.

Thanks again

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Tenerife Sun on Monday 29 December 08 11:22 GMT (UK): Hi Chris

Thank you for the info and the photo. I think that Samuel is mine but a sideways move. My MItchells/Michells were blacksmiths and it is great great grand dad who is my 'brick wall' as I don't know who his parents were. He was Francis Edward 1808 - 1888 (sometimes recorded as Edward) Is there anywhere I can look at your inscriptions without bothering you? Are they on a CD that can be bought for instance?

Thank you again for your help and your time

Wendy
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 29 December 08 12:36 GMT (UK): Hi Wendy

Sorry that the info I gave you was not really what you were looking foor.

Again, sorry, but the MI's are only on my computer so not really searchable from afar.

Horsham records I believe have been well covered by the Sussex Family History Group, but I also believe the originals are in the West Sussex Record Office at nearby Chichester

Chris
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 29 December 08 13:17 GMT (UK): Hi again Wendy

Just been looking through some old Trade and Street Directories at

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/

and noticed these

1858 – Melvilles Directory
Michell Henry, Brewer and Malster, West Street Brewery (this one appears regularly up to and beyond 1900)

1859 – Post Office Directory
Mitchell Edward Francis, Beer Retailer & Blacksmith, Crawley Road

1866 – Post Office Directory
Mitchell Edward Francis, Blacksmith, Crawley Road

1878 – Post Office Directory
Mitchell James, Blacksmith, Crawley Road

I think that the above points to that Edward Francis is part of the extended family of Henry the Brewer, maybe even his son as they were both originally in the same trade of Beer Mking; and is James the son of Edward Francis. - Food for thought

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Tenerife Sun on Monday 29 December 08 15:30 GMT (UK): Yes, yes, yes Bingo. Thanks for thst information, James is the son of Francis. I'm now off to look at the link you so kindly gave me

Happy new year

Wendy in Tenerife.
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Indaloman on Monday 29 December 08 16:35 GMT (UK): Wendy, if the brewery was in West Street, it is very likely that it is the site bought by the King family, later King and Barnes, which sadly closed a few years ago, it ale was great. The last of the Kings opened up another brewery in the old Horsham Railway Station Goods Yard a couple of years ago and cannot make enough to keep up demand. Like you I am a Spanish Exile and its my first port of call when visiting the UK
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Tenerife Sun on Monday 29 December 08 16:41 GMT (UK): Yes I remember King & Barnes and the Green Dragon in the Bishopric, a bit of a dive but it was early in my youth that and the White Swan in West Street

I rented a flat in Albion Terrace behind Woolworths and very convenient for getting home. I then bought a house on Lambs Farm Estate Roffey

Wendy
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Vixen60 on Monday 29 December 08 17:40 GMT (UK): Hi
Looking at your wonderful website, I notice that you have the name Burfoot. I think a family moved there from the Kent Surrey Sussex border in the mid 1700s so would be very interested in anything you have.

Regards
Barbara
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 29 December 08 18:45 GMT (UK): Wendy, Glad to have been of help to you

All the best in your future research and Happy New Year to you and yours

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: OneBigFamily on Thursday 09 April 09 19:27 BST (UK): Hi Chris,

Could you please have a look for any Dancy / Dancey entries on your list.

best wishes,
Penny
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 09 April 09 19:36 BST (UK): Hi Penny

Sorry to say but the answer is Negative - do apologise for that

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 09 April 09 19:58 BST (UK): Hi Pennt

Spotted this entry in the Great Universal Directory of 1799

Place: CUCKFIELD
Surname: Dancy
Forename: Josiah
Occupation: Farmer

Dont know wether it is connected at all

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: OneBigFamily on Friday 10 April 09 22:19 BST (UK): Hi again Chris,

Thanks for checking the MI's.

With this Josiah Dancy this is what I have found to date;

(I found him with my 2nd gt grandfather in 1841 although I think the Josiah was a son of a Josiah Dancy and Mary Booker)

British Directory, Gentry & Traders 1793 - 1798 Cuckfield; Josiah Dancy, Farmer

1837 East Sussex, 1837. List of the registered electors
Josiah Dancy, Buckswood, Beeding, Leashold house and land at Turners Hill. His name was written in italics. "The Names of those who did not poll are printed in italics; these include many persons who are dead, as well as those who have lost their qualification by a change of residence, and various other causes." From National Archives there are references to property (woodlands and farm) called Buckswood in Ifield.

1841 With John Dancy the carpenter of Worth born 1791

1841 Turners Hill, Worth Sussex
Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace
John Dancey born by my calcs abt 1791 Sussex, Carpenter (my 2nd gt-grandfather baptised 13 Sep 1789 as son of Michael Dancy and Sarah Holcomb/Hookam)
Lue Dancey born by my calcs abt 1821 Sussex, Painter (male)
Elen Dancey born by my calcs abt 1826 Sussex, 15 (female)
/
Richard Dancey abt 1826 Sussex, England, 15
Sarah Dancey abt 1761 Sussex, England, 80 (Mother of John Dancy's above)
* Josiah Dancey abt 1766 Sussex, England, 75 (Who is he? Why is he here living as a separate unit with Sarah?)
Registration district: East Grinstead, Sub-registration district: Worth

From Access to Archives (Biggs Farm was near Cuckfield)
Archive of the Stapley, Wood and Davidson families of Hickstead Place
Catalogue Ref. HIC, Creator(s):
Stapley family of Hickstead Place, Twineham, Sussex
Wood family of Hickstead Place, Twineham, Sussex
Davidson family of Hickstead Place, Twineham,Sussex
ESTATE ARCHIVES
ACCOUNTS
STAPLEY FAMILY
FILE - Account book - ref. HIC/471 - date: 1725-90
item: Copies of receipts from Mr. Josiah Dancey for rents of Biggs Farm and lands in Cuckfield. (Signed by H.T [uppen]). - ref. HIC/471/46-59 - date: 1775-1790
-------------------------------------------------------------

From: 'Parishes: Cuckfield', A History of the County of Sussex: Volume 7: The rape of Lewes (1940), pp. 147-163. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=56940. Date accessed: 03 August 2008.:

North of Slough Place is Bigg's Farm, a complete house of the first half of the 15th century, which had a great hall, a north solar wing, and a south buttery wing. About 1600 the first floor was inserted in the hall and, then or later, the second floor and the great central chimney-stack in the southern of the two bays of the hall were added. The walls of the lower story are of brick, replacing old timber-framing; the upper story is mostly tile-hung, but the north end shows old framing, including one of the curved braces typical of the period: the windows are latticed; one in the west front has a 16th-century moulded frame and ancient quarries. The roof, steep-pitched and with hipped ends, is covered with mossy Horsham slabs for two-thirds of its height: the top part is tiled. The (former) great hall retains its original 15th-century moulded wall-beam across the north end, where there is a doorway, with a pointed head, into the solar wing. The ceiling of the ground floor has 17th-century chamfered beams and joists. On the south side is a great fire-place with a huge flue above it and a very large hearth-stone. Close to the north wall there is a patch of pavement made up of floor-tiles shaped to form a pattern of octagons about squares, an unusual feature in Sussex, and perhaps original. The remainder of the floor is of very large irregular slabs. The southern room, the former buttery wing, has the original wide flat ceiling-joists and another wide fire-place. The first floor shows the framing, with curved braces, &c., in the upper part of the north wall of the hall, and in the middle, dividing the hall into two 11½-ft. bays, is the original roof-truss: this has a heavy cambered and chamfered tie-beam showing in the bedroom: mortices indicate former curved braces below it. Above the tie-beam is an octagonal king-post with a moulded capital above which are four-way braces.
In the great fire-place is an iron fire-back with the royal arms and initials C. R. and a pair of ancient fire-dogs which were discovered buried on the site.
Near by are Cleaver's Farm, Misbrooks Farm, and Little Misbrooks, all with 17th-century chimney-stacks.

Josiah died 1844.
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Indaloman on Saturday 06 February 10 20:06 GMT (UK): Hi Chris, I was just reading through this thread once more and it hit that the exception of 6/7 names, these families still live in Horsham. I cannot remember the dates, but St Mary's churchyard was closed for burials and the new cemetery was opened in Hillside. There is a plaque in Guildford Road which marks the site of a stone which was reputed to be where the coffins were placed to give the bearers a rest! I am in Horsham at the end of the month. I will take a photo, get the details and forward on to you. This may explain why the Lakers were buried in a C of E churchyard

Horsham has had some gruesome history. It is reputed to be the site of the last public hanging in England, in East Street. It is also said to be the last place in England where a woman sold herself into bondage.
Title: ***COMPLETED***Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: francis66 on Monday 09 May 11 09:00 BST (UK): Hi Chris

I notice you have the surnames Groombridge and Grinstead on your list. When you have time I'd love to see what you have on these names.

Many thanks

Karen
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: MattD30 on Tuesday 24 May 11 22:08 BST (UK): Hi Chris

I see from your website [1066 Genealogy] that you have transcriptions for the following names:

Dewdney
Greenfield
Holden
Knight
Matthews
Puttock
Wells

Can you send me details of these inscriptions as I think they may relate to various branches of my family.

Hope you can help,

Matt
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: francis66 on Wednesday 25 May 11 07:56 BST (UK): Hi Matt

I posted the previous message to yours but have not yet had a reply from Chris. I suggest you join the Sussex Family History Group. They have all the information re gravestones, a massive name database you can search easily and parish register transcripts for baptisms and burials. It costs £11 for the year and is very good value for money.

It might be quicker that waiting for Chris to reply!

Karen
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 28 May 11 11:17 BST (UK): Hi Karen

Yes, thank you for your enquiry and apologies for the late reply - we have recently moved house and as yet a lot of my records (hard copy on paper) are still packed away - Have had to go through the boxes to find the Horsham Church ones to answer yours and Matts enquirys. (This particular data/church/section is not computerised yet)

GROOMBRIDGE:
516 - Groombridge Henry

GRINSTEAD:
616 - Grinstead Daniel 27th April 1819 aged 39 years, and wife Sarah 1831 aged 60 years
642 - Grinstead Elizabeth, wife of Richard, 19th January 1771 aged 75 years
669 - Grinstead Henry (?1746)

As i stated in the original posting some of the information recorded was very sparse when it was done in 1952 by Donald Slyfield - commissioned by Horsham Urban Council

Hope it has been of help to you

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 28 May 11 11:29 BST (UK): Hi Matt

Here is the info you asked for:
DEWDNEY
751 - Dewdney Sarah, daughter of Daniel and Charlotte, 7th April 1825

GREENFIELD:
32 - Greenfield Charles and Jane - rest illegible
371 - Greenfield James, son of John and Hannah (1791?) also a footstone with 1791 on
975 - Greenfield Arthur William, son of Alfred and Ellen - 22nd October 1879 aged 7 years

HOLDEN:
803 - Holden John, son of William and Mary, March 1781
805 - Holden Martha, daughter of John and Martha, 16th April 1744 aged 3 years
806 - Holden Martha, wife of John, 20th July 1761 aged 58 years
807 - Holden Betty, daughter of John and Martha (176?)

Rest to follow shortly

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 28 May 11 11:41 BST (UK): Matt

KNIGHT:
946 - Knight Mary, wife of Henry, 8th October 1826
947 - Knight 1802
948 - Knight John (1810?) aged 67 years
1024 - Knight Sarah, wife of George, 30th July (1826?) aged 59 years.
1119 - Knight Ellen, wife of James, 28th January 1877, aged 37 years
1147 - Knight George 4th November 1876 aged 52 years

MATTHEWS:
772 - Matthews Olivia, daughter of Richard and Olivia 23rd May 1837 aged 19 years
1143 - Matthews Charles Rush Shelton 24th April 1878 aged 17 years

PUTTOCK:
1092 - Puttock John 6th March 1878 aged 56 years

WELLS:
915 - Wells Sarah daughter of John and Mary 11th April 1811 aged 9 years

Hope the above is useful in your research

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: francis66 on Saturday 28 May 11 22:12 BST (UK): Thanks for that info Chris.

I also asked the SFHG if there was any inscription for Henry Grombridge, but unfortunately she said only his name was legible. Still there is a grave number, and i also read somewhere that there are two Henry Groombridges mentioned on plaques inside the church so i need to go down there and take a look i think!

Thanks a lot for getting back to me and keep up the good work!

Karen
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: MattD30 on Sunday 29 May 11 15:44 BST (UK): Quote from: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 28 May 11 11:41 BST (UK)
Matt

KNIGHT:
946 - Knight Mary, wife of Henry, 8th October 1826
947 - Knight 1802
948 - Knight John (1810?) aged 67 years
1024 - Knight Sarah, wife of George, 30th July (1826?) aged 59 years.
1119 - Knight Ellen, wife of James, 28th January 1877, aged 37 years
1147 - Knight George 4th November 1876 aged 52 years

MATTHEWS:
772 - Matthews Olivia, daughter of Richard and Olivia 23rd May 1837 aged 19 years
1143 - Matthews Charles Rush Shelton 24th April 1878 aged 17 years

PUTTOCK:
1092 - Puttock John 6th March 1878 aged 56 years

WELLS:
915 - Wells Sarah daughter of John and Mary 11th April 1811 aged 9 years

Hope the above is useful in your research

Chris in 1066

Hi Chris

Thanks for all those, yes I think they will be very useful as I am sure most of them relate to people in my family tree. Do you have photographs of any of these at all?

Thanks again for your help.

Matt
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 30 May 11 11:04 BST (UK): Hi Matt

Sorry, but I was only in Horsham for 3 days during which time I surveyed, mapped and transcribed the stones that were to be moved for the new 2 million pound extension to St Mary,s Church.

I only phtograped the stones that were in danger of being lost

Sorry

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: MattD30 on Monday 30 May 11 23:15 BST (UK): Quote from: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 30 May 11 11:04 BST (UK)
Hi Matt

Sorry, but I was only in Horsham for 3 days during which time I surveyed, mapped and transcribed the stones that were to be moved for the new 2 million pound extension to St Mary,s Church.

I only phtograped the stones that were in danger of being lost

Sorry

Chris in 1066

Hi Chris

That's Ok. I have checked them against my trees and at the moment I have sadly found no matches with my ancestors. However I will keep hold of the info in case it comes in handy.

Thanks again

Matt
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Eagleone on Saturday 28 July 12 13:24 BST (UK): If anybody wants info of the Michells (junior branch) of Horsham, you should contact Susan Djabri at the museum, she is one of the last standing member of this junior family.

Wayne (Michells of Cuckfield - Senior Branch) Still surviving name of Mitchell (Michell)
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: bbart on Tuesday 13 August 13 03:40 BST (UK): Hi Chris,
I see you have Horton on your list, and would appreciate any info on any Horton you may have an inscription for in Horsham.

Thanks in advance,
Barb
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 14 August 13 14:21 BST (UK): Hi there Barb

Sorry for the delay but its such a long time since i had a request, (2 years) I had to find the printed document within my files - its not been computerised yet.

St Mary Horsham commissioned by Horsham Urban Council May 1952
Schedule of Memorials
No 869 & 870
HORTON - Jane, wife of Thomas - 1st March 1849 - aged 35 years.
Thomas - 1st February 1859 - aged 44 years and
William, son - 9th Augut 1905 - aged 65 years

Hope that was what you were looking for

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: bbart on Wednesday 14 August 13 16:19 BST (UK): Thank you so much, Chris!

That is exactly what I was hoping to see! It certainly helps to nail down Thomas and Jane as William's parents, that I was so iffy about.

With great appreciation,
Barb
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 14 August 13 16:39 BST (UK): Barb

Attached to this should be part of the plan of the stones in St Mary Horsham.
As you can see, stones no 869 & 870 are at the bottom near to the entrance and footpath that goes through the church yard

Chris
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: bbart on Wednesday 14 August 13 18:04 BST (UK): Thanks for that, Chris; much appreciated. I'm in Canada, so very little hope of ever seeing the cemetery, so something visual is great!

Thomas and Jane had four children that only survived a week or so after birth: Henry in 1844/5, Sarah in 1847, James in 1851, and Robert in 1849 (assumably his birth was Jane's demise).
Do you know offhand if infants were buried without headstones back then?

Barb
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 14 August 13 19:22 BST (UK): Barb

you wrote: Do you know offhand if infants were buried without headstones back then?

Yes, very much so, but it often said something like "and 3 infant children" no names or ages were usually given - you would have to go through the burial Register to find them.

The inscriptions I gave you were done in 1952 and only included very basic information, (done by the council workmen) so there could be reference to the children on the stone.

Maybe someone in Horsham will go and have a look for you

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: MI's in St Mary - Horsham
Post by: bbart on Friday 16 August 13 18:47 BST (UK): Thanks again.

I've just sent off for a birth registration for one of the children in the hopes of getting Jane's maiden name, then I'll follow up with people in Horsham as you suggested.

I greatly appreciate all the help!
Barb

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