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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Huntingdonshire => Topic started by: Freeman on Friday 06 January 06 10:46 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am seeking detail of a marriage between John Palmer born c. 1799 in Peterborough and Mary Ayres born c. 1808 also in Peterborough.
Their eldest three children known to me were all born in Ramsey, ie Mary (Sept 1838), Betsy (Mar. 1842) and John, my greatx2 grandfather in April 1844.
No sign of this marriage in the Gro register.
Any help or suggestions much appreciated.
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On 1851 census they are living in Gt White Ramsey
John age 57 & Mary age 42 both born Peterborough, plus children
Mary age 11 Betsy 9 Ann 5 John 4 & Lavinia 1, all born Ramsey
regards John
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Hi John,
Thanks for your message re 1851 census. My apologies- perhaps I should have pointed out in my request that the 1851, and John Palmer (junior)'s birth cert were the info I was starting from.
Sorry you spent time on this.
Freeman
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On the 1841 census there is:
John Palmer age 30 ag lab not born in county
Mary Palmer 30 " "
Frances Palmer 8 " "
Susannah Palmer 5 born in county
Mary Palmer 1 born in county
HO 107/448/14 Ramsey, Hunts
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Hi Freeman
no problem - seeing the 1841 details I suspect their marriage is 1833 or before, so prior to GRO indexing which started in 1837. There is nothing on the IGI for the family. Best chance is looking at parish records. But as 1st child Frances is not born in county (of Hunts) it could well be in Peterborough.
Try posting on Northants board.
regards John
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There's no marriage on the Hunts Marriage Index which terminates at 1837 so there's every chance it took place in Northants
David
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Hi Freeman/David
There is no mention of your ancestors on Alan Clarke/Marilyn Ponting's marriage index for Northants. :(
Cheers Sandy
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On the 1841 census there is:
John Palmer age 30 ag lab not born in county
Mary Palmer 30 " "
Frances Palmer 8 " "
Susannah Palmer 5 born in county
Mary Palmer 1 born in county
HO 107/448/14 Ramsey, Hunts
Many thanks for above. I have seen this at the FRC and it looks very likely but only common child with 1851 census is Mary, aged 1, although likely the elders would have left home. I dont like "John aged 30", even allowing for "rounding" as he was 57 in 1851.
However all the censuses are slightly suspect so it is probably OK - I wish I could be sure.
Thanks again and best wishes.
Freeman
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Hi Freeman,
Mary Palmer born 15 nov 1839, baptised 18 Dec 1839, daug of John and Mary, Ramsey.
There were 2 John and Mary Palmers living in Ramsey around the same time although by 1841 one Mary Palmer had died. Susanna Palmer born 26 jan 1837, bapt 19 Feb 1837 married William Edgley in 1853 making them my gt gt grandparents, Ruth
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Hi Freeman,
I've checked the 1851 census and John Palmer is actually 51 years old, the census writer didn't take his pen completely off the page and it does look like 57. on 2nd March 1854 John Palmer was buried at Ramsey parish church, aged 54. Mary Palmer was buried 23 may 1854 age 40 at Ramsey church. Ruth
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Hi Freeman
no problem - seeing the 1841 details I suspect their marriage is 1833 or before, so prior to GRO indexing which started in 1837. There is nothing on the IGI for the family. Best chance is looking at parish records. But as 1st child Frances is not born in county (of Hunts) it could well be in Peterborough.
Try posting on Northants board.
regards John
Many thanks John
Will try Northants, but see message from Sandy (seahall)
regards
Freeman
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Hi Freeman/David
There is no mention of your ancestors on Alan Clarke/Marilyn Ponting's marriage index for Northants. :(
Cheers Sandy
Dear Sandy,
Hi,
Thanks for above. I am not familiar with above index. Is it a virtual complete index ? If so then there appears to be no Palmer/Ayres marriage in either Hunts or Northants.
Possible of course it was never registered or was in neighbouring county.
Regards
Freeman
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Hi Freeman,
Mary Palmer born 15 nov 1839, baptised 18 Dec 1839, daug of John and Mary, Ramsey.
There were 2 John and Mary Palmers living in Ramsey around the same time although by 1841 one Mary Palmer had died. Susanna Palmer born 26 jan 1837, bapt 19 Feb 1837 married William Edgley in 1853 making them my gt gt grandparents, Ruth
Dear Ruth,
Many thanks for your info.
The death of one of the Mary Palmers gives me confidence that your 1841 Census entry Ho 107/ 448/14 is the John and Mary I am seeking.
Please advise your sources for the births of Mary and Susanna, John and Mary's burials and Susanna's marriage.
As John b. April 1844 is my gx2 grandfather it looks as if we are 3rd cousins !!!
From the helpful correspondence on John and Mary's missing marriage do you have any views yourself on where we should look?
Kind regards
Freeman
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Hi Freeman,
I have the Ramsey parish records on microfiche and the details come from the baptism, marriage and burial records on them. Since both the bride and groom seem to come from Peterborough I would say that that would be the best place to look for a marriage, Ruth
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I've just checked the 1861 census and Mary Palmer is living with her daughter Lavinia so it must have been a different Mary Palmer who died in 1854. There was a Mary Palmer born to John and Ann in 1814 it might be her if she never married, Ruth
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Hi Ruth,
Many thanks for confirming your info source. I was hoping Ramsey records was the answer.
Freeman
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Hi Freeman :)
If you type in Google Alan Clarke it should take you to his web pages and on them it lists coverage of the Marriage Indexes that he and Marilyn Ponting have transcribed for Northamptonshire.
Plus also endless help for Northamptonshire Folk from Northamptonshire Folk and others.
As the Northamptonshire Look up Exchange web page seem to be missing at the moment Alan's site is a must for all us Family Historians. :)
Cheers Sandy
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Dear Sandy,
Thanks for the tip - will follow it up.
Regards
Freeman