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Serious help needed here! I have found the address of a French princess in my grandmotheer's address book (her dates are 1889-1978). We knew there was some klink with a French princess but thought it was just family folklore. Does anyone know how I can research this or who to contact - the address nook relates from 1920s to 1950s- the entry shows that the Princess moved from a Paris address to Cap ferrat in April 1955. Any ideas at all?????????????
Caroline
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Hi Caroline, there are two articles in the Times for the name ERISTAVI. The first is for 1946 and is a marriage in London between the only child of the Princess Eristavi-Tchitcherine of Paris [he is named Mr Frank W Tchitcherine of Norwalk, Connecticut] and Sheila, widow of Captain Colin Pitman [only daughter of Mrs A C Ballingal of Cranmer Court.
The second is for 1962 -again a marriage- where Princess Diane Eristavi held a reception for Mr Donald Canmore Malcolm who was marrying Countess Vittorio Pietrasanta in New York.
best wishes
Margaret :)
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Thanks Margaret- that is a start! However am I going to find out why this address was in my grandmother's address book and the connection????????
I do know that my great grandmother went to the Paris Conservatoire of Music in the 1880's as a finishing school despite the fact that the family came from the East Ednd of London - my great great grandfather hasblood from his maternal line but the whole business is becoming a mystery! Any other ideas as to where I might look to resolve this one?
Caroline
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Her background may have been a bit more mundane!
Article Here (http://www.urbanresource.com/community/index.cfm?action=showpage&pageID=5)
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Not I think the same Princess because of the dates. Perhaps it was the Prince's first wife if he had one, or his mother?
Biography for
Lucy Cotton
Date of birth (location)
c. 1891
Houston, Texas, USA
Spouses
Edward Russell Thomas (1924 - 1926) (his death) 1 child
Col. Lytton Gray Ament (1927 - 1930) (divorced)
Charles Hann Jr. (1930 - 1932) (divorced)
W. F. Magraw (1933 - 1941) (divorced)
Prince Vladimir Eristavi-Tchitcherine (1941 - 1944) (divorced)
Date of death (details)
12 December 1948
Miami Beach, Florida, USA. (suicide)
Committed suicide, overdosing on sleeping pills.
This website has a photograph of her
http://content.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/sayrepublic&CISOPTR=8186&CISORESTMP=&CISOVIEWTMP=
She was a film actress between 1910 and 1921.
Regards
Valda
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Well that's a relief - now we can still imagine a real Princess!
;)
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Wow - this is really boggling my mind! Thank you all so much for all the info - I will study it very carefully and see which way is the best way forward on all this!
(Is it a touch of the Grace Kelly??)
Caroline
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Hello here Charlesroderick I am new on rootchat and realy interredin your e-mail concerning princess Eritavi. I am working on the history of a femal Magician her name was Clementine de Vere, her father was Charles de Vere and mother Julie Ferret.
She is born in Belgium, Brussels in 1888 but registred as British subject by birthright as Charles and Julia were British subject. She married in second wedding Prins Eristavi and became Princesse Clementine Eristavi... she diad in 1973 aFrance, Saint Jean Cap Ferrat west of Monaco
Do you have more information about your grandmother adressbook?
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Hi -I am very limited as to information I can disclose in respect of Clementine as it is a family matter. Can you tell me more about why you are researching her? Send it as a personal message to keep too much disclosure from the common post boards.
Many thanks
Caroline
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Moderator Comment: New members must make at least three postings before being allowed to use the PM facility.
See Help-Page: http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
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Oh- I forgot that! Please arrange for Charles Roderick to post further information to see if I can help him!
Many thanks
Caroline
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Oh- I forgot that! Please arrange for Charles Roderick to post further information to see if I can help him!
Many thanks
Caroline
Moderator's can't arrange for someone to make enough posts to PM so it's just a matter of waiting.
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Hi Caroline, I understand your respect for family matter. I will not divulge here, other matter already known and get on the website.
I am working for about 10 months on the history of female magician “Ionia” born in Brussels as Clementine de Vere.
I am collecting all connecting information’s. Your information about your grand mother address book was new for me. So that’s why I contacted you trough RootsChat.
In my reply (n° 7), I told that Clementine de Verre, (born in 1888), became Princess Clementine Eristavi when she married on june 21, 1919, with Prins Vladimir Eristavi Tchtcherine from Russia.
She divorced on October 26, 1928 but she retained the title.
By 1921 she and her son Frank (from her first marriage) where living in Paris, 26 avenue de Neuilly.
In 1955 she moved to Saint Jean Cap Ferrat. She died on march 31, 1973.
You mention the period from 1920 and 1950s- that period she lived in Paris, this is concordant.
Notice also, the similarity of time life, of your grand mother and Princess Clementine Eristavi.
Very strange, isn’t it?
Keep in touch
Regards
Charles Roderick
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Hello Charles - my interest is trying to solve a family mystery. My grandmother claimed to have known a French princess - which we all took with a pinch of salt until more recently, following the death of my mother, all family papers came into my possesion - amongst which was and address book belonging to my grandmother (1889-1977). In this book I found the name and address of Princess Eristavi Tchitcherine with the addresses etc as given on the web site -it would seem that my grandmother came to know Clementine after WW2 and was in correspondence until the early 1960s when Christmas cards stopped coming and my grandmother assumed she had passed away. My grandmother was consumed with searching for her son who was shot down during WW2 with the RAF and we can only assume that somewhere in all her investigations, she came into contact with Clementine - there can be no other explanation as their backgrounds are so remote! So - if you can shed any light whatsoever on how my grandmother in London could possibly have come into contact with Clementine - paris address followed by the change to the south of France - i would be delighted as it would solve our mystery!
Caroline
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Hi Charles, Just picked up on some old research and wondered if you have any info at all about Princess Clementine Eristavi from 1940 onward to the mid 1960s- I am still trying to work out how she knew my grandmother!
Caroline
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Hi
Charles hasn't been on Rootschat according to his profile since October 09. As he only posted twice he can't be pmed.
Regards
Valda
moderator
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Hi Caroline, I have just noticed your reply from August, and I am really interested like you on the Princess Eristavi and Devere connection.
I am related to her through her fathers side, Charles Devere he was my Grandfathers step father - so if you would like to comunicate, I will fill you in with more details.
Bee
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Hi Bee - I have a whole file on Princess Eristavi and her parents - I have no blood link but my grandmother was crorresponding with Princess Eristavi from 1949 till the early 1960s - and we just cannot work out how on earth my grandmother (middle class and from walthamstow!) should know the Princess Clementine. Probably best if we chat off site so please send me a personal message and se how we get on!
Great to hear from you - maybe I can finally solve this mystery!
Caroline
( I have only been researching this inside out for the last 5 years so am really excited at a possible new lead to break through my brick wall!!)
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Hi Bee and Caroline,
Just don't forget to add me to your off-site chat :)
Mike
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Dear Mike!!!! How lovely to hear from you!!
The search continues- Nil Desperandum!!
Of course I will keep you informed of developments!
Kind regards to you and your family
Caroline
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There is a new portfolio of posters for Clementine de Vere - Clementine Eristavi Tchitcherine as Ionia. A new poster, previously unknown, has been discovered. This bring the total number of Ionia up to 11. The portfolio can be seen at MagicPosterGallery(dot)com under the performer's name of Ionia.
When Clemetine Eristavi Tchitcherine lived in Washington, DC at 1601 Argonne Rd. NW, the apartments were called the Phillip Terrace Apartments. They were built around 1926.
All the best,
Charles