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Hi there (sidles into chatroom). I'm looking for information on the Bourdot family who lived in Belfast (Antrim) and descendents. Nicholas Bourdot was a French POW from Carrickfergus in 1760 and decided not to go home to Champagne. His son was Jacques (b.1770) (a hairdresser in Corn Market) and his son was John Baptist (b.1797). John's children were: John (1824), Samuel (1825), Hessie (1826), Eleanor (1828), Samuel Ralston (1830) and William (1832). Hessie married James McGlaughlin in 1849 and Samuel Ralston emigrated to New Zealand in 1875 (leading to me). Family may have moved around the counties (Antrim, Derry, Down) but I have no idea what happened to the rest of them left in N.Ireland. Can anyone help with anything on the family from Nicholas onwards?
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Infobunny:
Nice sidle there! Have you seen the item at Irish Gravestone Inscriptions?
http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?id=657
According to this item:
"He was buried in Clifton Street graveyard and his inscription reads: ‘Here lieth the body of Nicholas Bourdot, of Chaumont in Bossigni in Champagne, who departed this life on the 12th December 1816 aged 78 years’. His descendents continued to live in Belfast for some time after this Nicholas Bourdot died 17th August 1891 aged 21 years."
Good luck,
Pat
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Hi Pat,
I really appreciate you spending time on this. I did find that site a while ago and it really knocked us all as the guy is the stuff of family legend so finding him on the net was huge. However all it did was wind me up as I have no idea who his grandson Nicholas (as per the inscription) belonged to. Also Samuel Ralston Bourdot Sr married Elizabeth Jane McKinley (b. 1831 in County Armagh) in 1849 but I'm not sure where in NI this was.
Just hoping the family haven't died out! There must be someone else out there.
Thanks
Infobunny
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Hi again Infobunny:
I enjoy a good search especially when there is an interesting story behind it. I am wondering if the name got "modified" to more resemble the pronounciation.
I checked the Vital Records Index and found your Hessy's marriage and John's.
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I found only one birth in the Index.
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Hope this helps some.
Good luck and keep sidling.
Pat
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Hi Pat,
You are so amazing!!!! ;D The sidling has now turned into jumping up and down in pure excitement! ;D
I knew of Hessie's marriage but now I may have the correct spelling of her name. And now with the ages maybe her date of birth is a little wrong at our end or she told a big porky. Now also have husband's father's name too (pity it isn't something weird). I also knew of Frederick's birth but family records had him down as being born in Belfast (unless Castlereagh is in Belfast...) so there is new info also.
But the big big news is of John. Family legend based on Samuel Ralston Jr's recollections had John disappearing as a child but with always with the hope that maybe he had married. And now you've found him!! That's so fantastic. This is the first any of us over here in NZ have had word that he lived at least until marriage. Now the big hope is for him to have had kids. He's got to be on some remote census somewhere then.
The last family legend on this family concerns William in that he is said to have married and had several daughters. We have no idea if this is true or not. I have checked Ellis Island but have no record of a William Bourdot going through there anyway. I don't know what has become of him.
John Baptist Bourdot had a second marriage to Isabella Wilson on 5 Aug 1833 and produced Eleanor Jane (5 Dec 1834) and Isabella (b. ?). We know nothing more about them.
All the Bourdot's in Ireland hold such fascination for us as they come with stories but nothing beats the sheer excitement of finding one. I think it's the name that does it.
Once again Pat, you are a complete star! Anytime I can do something for you...
Cheers
Infobunny
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This is really interesting and I am enjoying reading it.
I noted that IGI has a birth entry for
Albert Bourdot , 8 August 1866 Belfast, Armagh. His parents are Samuel and Elizabeth McKinley too.
Best wishes
Heywood
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Hi Heywood,
Thanks for your efforts. I had found Albert on IGI - he got to look after Count von Luckner after his capture in NZ in WW1. I'm surprised that with so odd a surname we are so little on the net but that could be a byproduct of name evolution and marriage, etc. (how dare that happen!)
I'm still discovering the power of IGI. There may still be things in there that I haven't found yet - like any kids of Hessy Bourdot and James McGlaughlin.
Do you have any idea where Castlereagh is?
Thanks
Infobunny
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Castlereagh is in County Down I think and just a few miles from Belfast.
Best wishes
Heywood
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Hi again
Apologies if you already have this- I don't want to inundate you with possible family members!
I found this too on : http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ONTARIO/2003-07/1059237104
#015118-94 (Toronto) John LAING, 30, Scotland, Toronto, b, teamster, s/o
James & Elsie LAING, married Bella BOURDOT, 29, Belfast, Toronto, s, d/o
John & Mary BOURDOT, witn: Alexander WILL, Hessie M. KIDD, both Toronto,
married 24 October 1894
I assume that Bella is from Belfast NI -couldn't find a Belfast in Toronto environs - interesting name links though.
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Infobunny:
You are too kind! But I love it!
Nice work there Heywood. I am betting that Hessie Kidd is connected also.
Info, you might want to order the film from your local Family History Center on John's marriage and Hessy's, that way you will be able to see actual registration and get names of witnesses. Maybe another relative.
Am heading back to do some more "googling" now. ;D
Good luck and keep sidling.
Pat
Nice going again there Heywood.
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Thanks very much Pat. I do hope that they are related but like you I saw the family names and this is so interesting.
I do worry sometimes though that I am interfering too much. I can't help it- it's my addiction!!
Best wishes
Kath
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To the fantastic twosome Pat and Kath (Heywood),
I am overwhelmed by your generosity and time spent on my search and am thankful to have found special people such as yourselves. Feel free to assist as much as you like (I couldn't possibly call it interfering - it's all too valuable to me). :D
I am intrigued by the possible Canadian connection. It's not like we are the only Bourdots in the world (but there can't be many of us) but there is always the distinct possibility that the original John and Mary (found by Pat) did emigrate to Canada. I know that some Bourdots entered in through Ellis Island from Germany but as far as I know they are not connected to us (although who knows). It was such a mobile time in history that anything is possible. But if John and Mary had one daughter then they may have had other children too - as well as emigration records...(hyperventilate with glee).
I will definitely look at that weblink (seriously I'm as nosey as the next person) to see how it may all fit in with dates, etc. This is so exciting!! And I must get introduced to a Family History Centre as I've never been to one. Pat, can I take it then that the FHL reference in front of your past post relates to the Familiy History Centre data?
Big virtual hugs to you both
Infobunny
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Infobunny:
The numbers are those for the film on which the records appear. Here is how to find the center (centre) near you. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp
Kath, I am addicted too. This is too much fun.
There sure are a lot of Scientific sorts in your family Info! I need to brush up on my French though for some of these Google hits.
As to those from Germany, I did come across some on shipping lists. I will have to recheck just in case.
Later to both of you as I sidle off.
Pat ;D
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Hi Infobunny and welcome to RootsChat!
I found these - thought maybe you could keep them on the back burner till you can fit them in!! ::)
1891
This appears to be a Catholic school !
Bourdot Joseph 16 Croyes France Littlehampton Sussex
RG12/838 Folio 51 Page 39
1861
Mistranscribed as " Brurdot "
Renee Bourdot 40 Head Paris Natualised B S Aldershot Surrey Cook
Mary Brurdot 36 Ireland Wife Aldershot
Renie Brurdot 10 Old Kent Road Surrey Son Aldershot
Julia Brurdot 6 Cammerwell K E Middlesex (?) Daughter Aldershot
Margaret Brurdot 3 Ireland Daughter Aldershot
Fredk Brurdot 3 months Aldershot Hampshire Son Aldershot
RG9/430 Folio 125 Page 15
Annie :) :)
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Hi Annie,
Okay, so imagine me sitting reading your post, and then just staring at it...and then staring some more. The thought through my head is 'are you kidding me?' :o
I feel like I'm in an infomercial - but wait, there's more!
Annie, I'm very pleased to make your acqaintance. I'm even more thrilled with the fruits of your efforts and I thank you for your time and your awesome detective work. I will definitely be creating a special file for Bourdots that need a home (or tree).
As one who was born a Bourdot, it's nice to know that there were/are others out there. Let's bring 'em home, I say.
Thanks
Infobunny ;D
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Nice work there Annie!
Infobunny, it looks like Chef Renee married an Irish girl and they had Margaret there but the others (older) seem to have been born in England.
Pondering this.
Pat
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Hi Pat and Annie,
It's funny how things start to intertwine but the thrill of the chase is enormous. My original Nicholas Bourdot was born in Chaumount in Bossigni in Champagne, France in approx 1837-ish. I have found out that while Chaumont still exists Bossigni has most likely been renamed to Haute-Marne. We have no idea of his parents or of any other brothers and sisters, never mind his religion. However the story has come down that the family were staunch protestants in N.Ireland. He could have been Huguenot for all I know but because he was in the navy (or possibly army) his religion had nothing to do with his wee trip to NI. But it may have had something to do with why he never went back hom on his release as a POW in 1763.
His son Jacques was a well-known hairdresser in the late 1700's in Corn Market, Belfast (whereas Nicholas was known as a barber) but I have no indication of John Baptist's trade or those of any of his children. But I'm rapt that John Bourdot has been found - it was really nice to remove the 'died' date off his record which was only a maybe anyway. If only William would fall out just as readily....
It's all like a big ball of string with lots of ends poking out.
Cheers
Infobunny
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As I sat and stared at it too ! - my thought was -
that Renee the cook - was in the Army - look at the places they've been !!
I can think up all kinds of stories to go along with that!! ........
maybe the Crimean War - went to Ireland - met the love of his life - decided to be a British Subject because it was safer than going back to France -
joined the Army - went to London ended up in Aldershot!! .......... etc etc!! ::)
Just a thought!
Annie :)
Edit - by the way theres loads in America!! :)
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Hi Annie,
You are right - there are just a couple in the US :). I don't know where they originate from but you have to have something stored up for a rainy day. There is always the possibility that John and Mary Bourdot's children (or themselves) emigrated from Canada (when I find them getting there from Ireland) to the US. My missing William may have also gone there. They sure as eggs didn't get over to NZ, that's for sure. Another family legend says that my Samuel Ralston who did leave Ireland for NZ with his family were actually wanting to head to the US but the ship they wanted wasn't leaving for three weeks and it was going to cost too much for them to stay and wait...so they took the next leaving which was 'Star of China' out to NZ.
Funny how things work out like that.
How good are census records for N.Ireland?
Cheers
Info
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PAT!!
I nearly missed your 300 post!!
Congratulations!!!!!!!!
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Bunny!
Are this couple yours??
Ivy Nessie Bourdot b. 21 Apr 1902 Christchurch New Zealand
Died 8 Jan 1963 Alice Texas USA
Father William Bourdot
Mother Caroline Newsome
Married in Christchurch New Zealand
Robert Charles Abbott b. 12 Feb 1895 in Christchurch New Zealand
Died 2 Jul 1977 in Tauranga New Zealand
Annie :)
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Hi Annie,
They are indeedly doodly! According to the family stories file 'Ivy married some Yank and returned to America' which I think means her new husband took her back to America to where his family was. Got no idea who he was so far. From memory Robert Abbott was her son from her first marriage. Haven't figured out yet if she had children by her second husband. US data very hard to get into.
I think you must be in Rootsweb or something. Frederick Bourdot is in there also married to Sarah Green (and what a skeleton in the closet that whole episode still is). ;)
Bunny
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This is getting even better! Bunny, now I want to hear all about Frederick. LOl
Thanks Annie for the congrats.
I am going to have to get a spreadsheet to figure out who is who now and see what develops.
Pat
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Just to let you know I have been looking but can't find anything out yet. Glad Pat and Annie are on the job! Do let us all know if anyone new turns up that belongs to you. The early members are fascinating - it is a pity we can' find out anything more about Nicholas and perhaps other French settlers.
Kath
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Bunny - there isn't too many Bourdot's in my sources - (apart from Americans .. !) - so I'm giving you what I'm gleaning .... I don't do Rootsweb - maybe I should!!
That Robert Charles Abbot was Ivy's husband - not son !! ;)
A couple more back burner ones (always good to have!!)
1887 December Marriages Pancras (1837-1901) London Middlesex
Bourdot Jeanne Adelaide C
Greenslade William
Canadian Immigrant Records
Hector? BOURDOT
1901 Census of Canada - Province of Manitoba (list of immigrants taken out)
born outside of Canada Age 23
National Archives of Canada Microfilm Reel No. T6435, District 012 - Winnipeg Sub-District B06, page 7
Annie ::)
And I mention this only because I found Christopher Frederick Bourdot's WW1 draft card - he was living in Chicago and found him again in 1930 census in Chicago living with wife Mable
Christoph F Bourdot 57 Illinois Head Chicago Cook Illinois
Wife Mable Bourdot
Father born France
Mother born Denmark
Annie
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Bunny!
I checked the French Muster Rolls - no "Bourdot's"
but I checked all the Nicholas' in case the spelling was wrong
same with Jacques
same with Jean Baptist
No go! - over 3000 men!!
Also checked the wills in British Archives - nothing there - more than likely to be in the Proni! (if there is a will .... ::) )
Here's a great resource site!
http://users.bigpond.net.au/kirwilli/history/history.htm
Annie
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You guys are all so awesome!!!!! I can't believe the huge amount of work you have been putting into this.
The French Muster rolls is an interesting bend to take. For what years did they cover? The only one that would have been on it would have been Nicholas as he was in Admiral Thurot's army/navy who were involved in the Battle of Carrickfergus in 1760. It was there that he was taken prisoner of war. All of Nicholas' descendents were born in N.Ireland (before they started taking off to other shores). There is no family record of any of them returning to France (although anything is possible). I would really like to know more about the prisoners of war and their conditions at the Ann Street Barracks in Belfast between 1760-1763. Know any good sites?
Does anyone know how to check military service records in France? And how do you check the wills in the British Archives?
Ooooo...interested in this Hector Bourdot in Canada. Wonder if the Family History Libraries in NZ have access to Canadian info?
Man, I'm sorry! All I have are questions!!!
Anyway the skeleton in our closet is not a bad one to me but to some of the family it's quite a major thing. All Frederick did was to marry Sarah and formally adopt her son thereby giving him his name. So the son becomes a Bourdot and therefore so do his descendents. So one day we get a phone call from relatives saying that 'they' are asking for family information but we aren't to give it to them as they don't have a right to the name. As I'm the younger generation I really couldn't care if they were adopted or not - if you have the name you should at least know where it came from. And in any case I found the history of the other side so they could have both or choose. But I tell you I get questioned why I'm interested in them. So I just keep quiet and get on with it.
Covertly planting more trees (with your help)
Bunny
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Thought you might like some background stuff!! :)
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/sketchbook04/page38.html
Annie :)
By the way - I did check the Manx census and the Channel Islands ... Nada!!
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Annie:
You never cease to amaze me!!! I wish I could see YOUR bookmarks! Wow.
Bunny, nice story there about Frederick. I knew you were a softie. (that is meant as a compliment)
Ok. here is something on Nicholas' adventure.
"They sailed on the 21st for Ireland and on the following day landed about 600 men at Kilroot, 2 miles north-east of Carrickfergus. The French marched on the town of Carrickfergus, where a considerable amount of house to house fighting took place. The British retired to the castle, which was attacked by the French, who were repulsed with substantial losses. The British eventually ran out of ammunition and the garrison was surrendered to the French. The French sent an officer under a flag of truce to Belfast. He demanded stores to the value of 1200, under the threat of burning Carrickfergus and Belfast to the ground. The stores were provided on the 24th and the French loaded them and prepared for departure. Carrickfergus by this time was surrounded by troops from a several regiments. Bad weather delayed the French squadron's departure and it was the 28th before they sailed.
Once clear of Belfast Lough they set course for the Isle of Man. It has been said by some sources that their intention was to sail to Peel and take George Moore prisoner. Thurot was said to have had dealings with George Moore in his smuggling days and had purchased George Moore's Negro servant from him. There is no doubt that the Island would have been in no position to have defended itself against this French force.
Thurot's mischief was fast coming to an end. Capt Elliot who had been alerted to intercept Thurot, came within sight of Thurot, as the French rounded the Copeland Islands of County Down. Thurot immediately changed course for Scotland. The British squadron overhauled the French and a battle took place off the Isle of Man. The defeated French ships were brought into Ramsey Bay."
Read about what they were up to before getting to Carrickfergus.
http://www.homepages.mcb.net/kelly/manxatsea/sevenyearswar.html
More to come.
Pat
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A song about the attack on Carrickfergus.
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=4022#69363
Pat
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Hi there Pat,
My goodness! I bow to the Mistress of the Web Search :D. You are totally fantabulous. I took a printout of one of your earlier weblinks and may just get the book that was mentioned. And I'll be taking copies of the latest stuff as well for my records.
I have been provided with more information on John Bourdot and Mary (Campbell) (Annie will know of this too). That it looks most likely that John and Mary had at least one child called Isabella/Bella who married a John K Laing in Canada (Toronto) in 1894 and moved to Winnipeg with Mary living with them. Information notes that Mary went to Canada in about 1890 and the 1901 Census puts her year of birth as 1830 so she would have been 60 at the date of emigration. All this means that Isabella would most likley have been born in N.Ireland (raving assumption) so there is a possibility that there may be a record of her birth or of any brothers or sisters hiding somewhere. ::)
There is also a small hope that missing William may have married a woman named Ellen and also moved to Canada (at some point) but this whole thing needs to find a positive link first.
Woo hoo the chase is on!
You da Searcher
Bunny
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Note to self (just like Bridget Jones),
Must read everything first before quantum leaping to conclusions. William and Ellen are red herrings at this point - their ages on the census for Canada are nothing near John Bourdot's age.
So William is still missing at this point.
Also John K Laing could either be John K or John R - census info for Canada is not that clear. He was born in Scotland approx 1866 so that's something entirely different.
Fluff for brains
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Ahem!
"My goodness! I bow to the Mistress of the Web Search"
Just rechecked. Am still male. Lol.
See, another example of why one should never jump to conclusions.
;D
Pat (as in Patrick)
Teasing you.
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Sorry Pat :-[
Argh! Now I'm going to get a rep! I'll be known as Fluffy Bunny instead of Infobunny.
Master, to hark back to these Irish shores...are there any birth records in Ireland of Eleanor Jane (b.5 Dec 1834) or Isabella Bourdot (this is a different Isabella to John's daughter but no idea as to the birth) who were John Baptist Bourdot's daughters by his second marriage to Isabella Wilson on 5 Aug 1833? We know nothing about what has happened to these sisters at all. Like they just up and vanished or something.
Or any records actually come to think of it.
What do Griffiths Valuations do for people these days?
Hiding behind red ears
Bunny
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Work on my Canadian thread has turned up two Bourdot's that are unknown to me but who appear on the 1901 census for Ontario:
William Bourdot - b. 13 dec 1873 in Ireland (could be NI or anywhere in Ireland). Emigrated to Canada in 1899 (have noticed dates of emigration can be a bit mobile), and worked as an upholsterer at the date of the 1901 census in Canada.
Ellen Bourdot - b. 15 January 1873 in Ireland. Emigrated to Canada in 1872 (which makes no sense - either she was born in 1872 and came out with her parents in 1873 or her parents came out in 1872). Working as a domestic for George Gillies and family at the date of the 1901 census.
At this point I'm laying claim to any and all Bourdot's coming out of Ireland! Can anyone help on figuring out if there are any records for the two mentioned above in Ireland?
Thanks
Bunny
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Here's another one of those things that I don't understand!! A Bourdot from America (Pat's stompin' ground .. !) admitted to the Charity Hospital in Ireland .. !
January 1851 Admissions to Charity Hospital Orleans Parish
31-Jan 36 Virginie Bourdot born Lambert St. Louis, Missouri 29 St. Louis 3 mos W - Catarrhus 4 3/4
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/la/orleans/vitals/charityhos/chajan51.txt
Oh wait! I thought this was Orleans Parish in Ireland - but I think I'm mistaken! - now I've confused meself!! ::) ::) ::)
Time to get my coat!! :P
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Hi there all,
There has been a complete flurry of activity on the Canadian Emigrants board which has turned up someone I can't place.
Can anyone please help me to find a Hector Bourdot born in Ireland before 1890? I can't figure out where he comes from in terms of the family so I'm very interested to see if anyone else can locate him for me. Most likely to be Northern Ireland but I'm willing to consider all of Ireland just to find him.
Cheers
Bunny
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Hi Bunny,
I've linked this thread to your Battle of Carrickfergus 1760 - POWs in Belfast (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=157633.new#new) thread.
Christopher
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Hi Christopher,
You're an ace! ;) Glad someone knows how to do these things ;D
Oh and as for Hector Bourdot above...it's actually Hester Bourdot who was born around 1878 in Belfast, NI. Any hope of anyone locating a birth???? Or an emigration??? Emigation around 1892 to Canada somehow.
Cheers
Bunny
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Hi Infobunny Im new to Rootschat, but I found your posts regarding the Bourdot family thru google. although the posts were back in 2006 :)
Im researching the Fright Family, and I believe two of my great grandads sisters married two of Samuel Ralston Bourdots son's....
Samuel Ralston Bourdot to Annie Fright in 1888 in NZ and
Albert Bourdot to Emma Fright in 1892 in NZ
So anyway I am curious to find out about them especially after both of their wifes died young?
I think Samuel is burried in Auckland, but what happened to Albert ? I know he was involved in the Canterbury native rifles.
Any help would be much appreciated
-- Jessica
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Hey Jessica,
Welcome to Rootschat and the family!!! Nice to meet you cuzzie! ;D Don't worry, chick, the Bourdot brothers weren't axe murderers or anything. Poor Annie and Emma were victims of medicine's inability to save them from what are now very simple, but still risky things. Annie died from pelvic cellulitis (let me know if you figure out what that actually means), and Emma I think died in childbirth (very hard to tell). Both brothers married again and died in Auckland.
Hey let us know if we can help with anything you need. You can post topics on the NZ Board as well. Your personal messaging icon (the little green scroll under your user name) will only become active once you have posted three times. Then you can talk in private to me and anyone else....like my/our cousin Maryanne who is desperate to say welcome to you as well! ;)
Go for it Mare!
I have Fright family stuff too. Need time to find it but I also have stuff on computer. Just ask away.
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Thanks Bunny ;)
Welcome to RootsChat Jessica :)
I naturally get all excited when I see the name come up, being unusual as it is, and this occasion was no exception! I have visited O'Neill's Point on several occasions to find the Bourdot plots there and photograph them, they took some finding and that is all they are, grassy plots and no headstones sadly.
Haven't yet been out to Waikumete to find Albert's plot but believe it also has no headstone ... neither does my Gdad Fred's plot at Hillsborough :(
Bunny has helped me with most of what I know! I knew nothing at all of the Fright sisters or their family.
Look forward to more postings ... :) mare
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Hi cousins Bunny (and Maryanne)
WoW. I did have a surspicion that, at least one of them could have died in childbirth. I knew that Emma died of a brief and painfull illness according to her death notice from the paper, but Pelvic Celultis how did you find that out.
I was guessing appendicitis, which is what her brother died of.
I think Pelvic Celulitis is a bacterial infection of the tissues.
I found an article in the Cyclopaedia of New Zealand from 1903 about Albert Bourdot and his involvement in Christchurch with the rifles. Did he join the Army in WW1 was that how he got to look after Count von Luckner?
I've had a bit of a look around but can't seem to find where he is burried?
It would be nice to chat, one msg away and I guess I’ll see the message Icon you were telling me about.
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Lol I keep getting Annie and Emma mixed up, take the Emma out of my last post and put Annie in its place. I've just Realised the mistake while sitting here pondering :D
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You're right about the cellulitis being an infection Jessica, it was quite a common ailment and for some reason we're hearing of it a lot again as it seems to be quite prevalent. It can cause inflammation around any broken skin/wound and treated quite seriously, requiring hospitilisation if not contained quickly.
...also when info is flooding in it is very easy to get a bit overwhelmed and not easy to absorb all at once ;)
Pretty sure Albert is at Waikumete, cemetery records came on line 2009, one day I'll get over there and explore... it's a huge Auckland cemetery and I have a few others to look up. As far as I know there is no headstone.
:) mare
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Yes Albert is in Waikumete. I think we as a family must be extremely miserly. I have seen the headstones for the Fright girls but none for any Bourdots (as such). Like once you're dead, you're dead so everyone move on :P. Must remember to get myself a honking great mausoleum just to prove a point ;D.
Don't know how Albert got the babysitting job in WW1. He wasn't young so that may have been a factor. I know I've seen his papers but can't remember anything (being readable) about it. May have to have another look now that they are being slowly digitised.
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Yes Waikumete, Thanks I've Found it now
Bit surprised that there was no head stone for Samuel Ralston Bourdot Senior tho, or any of the others buried in that plot, apart from the one for Annie. I used the advance search option on CHCH city council website http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/Search.asp
and found that there are others buried in that plot Sarrah Hannah Hellingworth, Richard O’Connor, Julia Neil etc. Any relation?
Jess :)
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Hi Jess
I haven't visited Addington cemetery or have any photographs from there, I've only got as far as printing out online information on those family members so hopefully Bunny can help you with those other names :-\
Disappointing about the lack of headstones, have no idea why my grandparents didn't have one, my dad was an only child and his mother remarried but was buried with her first husband. Her second husband has a plot and headstone nearby and buried with his first wife. Lots of questions but no one to ask ... dad has been gone 40 years, mum 25 years, they do have a headstone :) mare
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Oooo...must confess that I didn't actually know there were more there. They are not relatives. Most of them had been buried for a good while (1875) too so maybe they were reselling the space on top? 408A and B are there alright, big flat double slab with Annie's name on the plaque at the bottom. No headstone. May have been a double for Annie and Albert but Samuel died first and Albert remarried...maybe Samuel was buried there for economy's sake (they were Irish after all). Would have to do some more research into Addington Cemetery to find out the whole story. Emma is buried further down from Annie and has a lovely ornate grave with a tower-like headstone and fencing...all of which is crumbling away. It used to be out in the open but when I went back years later the tree opposite had just shot away and just about covers the site. Took me ages to find it again! I believe the brothers paid for those gravesites just because they do have something there. I just think the rest of us were antisocial to the max!
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.............(they were Irish after all)....
What does that mean?
Dara.
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Dara,
My apologies if you were offended. I was just talking.
Bunny 8)
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Not offended at all, just curious.
Do Irish people have a reputation in NZ for being tight with money?
Interesting viewpoint.
Dara.
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Trying to track down the Church where Samuel Ralston BOURDOT was baptised 6 Jan 1863 - father's name the same. Any ideas please?
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There is a Samuel Ralston Bourdot married to Servilla Eve Coleman 1900 in New Zealand they had at least Louis Claude Bourdot (1904-1974) Samuel and Servilla are buried at Oneils Point cemetery.
BUT there is a Servilla Bede Bourdot born to Ralston Bourdot and Eleanor Eudoia in 1910.
HOLY BAPTISM". "Servilla Bede Bourdot. Jackson McKinley Bourdot. Tauranga 1913 (papers past)
Colin
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Hi Kiwicol,
They are all descendants of the Samuel Ralston Bourdot who arrived in NZ in 1875 with his family of 7 children all born in Northern Ireland. The Samuel Ralston Bourdot desmay2 is wanting the baptism for was one of the children, so his baptism 6.1.1863 will be possibly Castlereagh area where they lived. Sorry desmay2, I wasn't able to answer question when I first read it and completely forgot about it!
:) mare
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Thanks for that - I was doing some research for someone else at the time but can't remember who it was now. Hopefully he/she is reading this page. Cheers
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... further to that ;) the Samuel Ralston Bourdot marriage in NZ 1900 you mention Colin, is of course the same Samuel as adult ..
... the 1910 birth is to Ernest Ralston Bourdot, younger brother of Samuel, and Eleanor .....
:) mare
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Hi,
My great great grandfather was Albert Bourdot in Auckland and I have seen that you have done a lot of work on the Bourdots. We know about the guy at the fight in Carrick Fergus but dont know any further back than that. Have you any clues about his descendants in Champagne?
Peter
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Hi there Peter, just saying welcome and hello to another cousin. :) I haven't ventured that far back at all! Bunny may be able to take you a bit further, she hasn't been on site since last weekend but will get notification from this post ... as I have just had from your posting :) mare
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Hi Peter!!!
Nice to meet you! You're on my tree already!! Awesome to find you on here ;D
Yes, as Mare said I've been absent off the boards for a bit. I haven't managed to start investigations over into France yet because there is just still so much to do with Ireland, Canada, the US and NZ.
However....(she said with a sly wink)....now that you're here (so to speak) maybe you'd like to give us a bit of help with some stuff. Oh, by the way your grandmother was so cool to speak to - I got to talk to her once on the phone. I wish I had been able to spend more time with her on the family.
We can talk to each other by personal message on this forum but you have to have more than three posts on the boards (I think) before the messaging scroll becomes active on your profile. So if we can get a couple more posts from you then we can exchange our email addresses.
Would you be willing to exchange information about your side of the family? I don't have a birthdate for your great-grandmother Elizabeth Woodbury. I think/know it was in 1876 but do you know the month and day?
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Hi Bunny,
I may be able to fill some gaps as I know my Mum has a book with the Woodbury story laid out in it which she got at the reunion some years back. I will speak to her on Sunday and see if she has the dates you are after.
My wife and I have just been over to NZ and my parents brought out all the letters, certificates, photos and newspaper cuttings etc which was interesting. But there is a lot they don't know particularly about the Canadian side of things. Coincidentally my sister Vicki is living in Ontario at the moment. Spooky eh!
I will get back to you after the weekend but in the meantime if you have any other queries don't hesitate to drop me a line.
All the best
Pete
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Hi Bunny and all interested readers,
I have got that date for you. Elizabeth Woodbury, my great grandmother, was born 26 December 1876 in Southbridge Christchurch. My Mum tells me she developed very bad Parkinsons at age 50 and was rather scary to visit as a young child.
Mum asks if you have an actual tree of all this that shows everyone in their place and who begat who? :o
Peter
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Hi Peter,
Thanks so much for that date! The only thing that's missing from Albert and Elizabeth is the date they got married. I know it was 1902. And your mother has nicely corroborrated the Parkinsons disease story that our cousin Keith Bourdot told us.
As for the tree...I have it all on computer but no nice printed out version that I've been able to generate as of yet. I know heaps and I've found heaps that I can tell you all but really need to find a programme that prints out nice trees. So if there is anything you and the family want to know then by all means ask away! Happy to do the sharing thing. ;)
I'm also running the assumption that when your gran Elsie passed on your mum received all the family records that she had (if they weren't already with her). I know that I have copies of a couple of photos that Elsie had of Samuel and Elizabeth Bourdot. I have photos of Albert too but none with him and his Elizabeth. I have lots of old photos but have no idea who the people are! And just as many where I do know who they are! I am willing to pay for copies of anything if there is no issue with sharing.
So...any burning questions from you or the family??? ;D
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Hi again Peter,
I've just noticed that your little green scroll has activated! It's the small green thing below your user name. If you want to ask questions or pass information privately (like email addresses, etc) all you have to do is click on the scroll and you will be sent to a message page. It's completely private and no-one else can see it except for you and the person you are messaging.
Cool, huh?
Bunny 8)
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Hi infobunny
I tried to get through on another thread about your search for information on the Boudot family.
I done research for a project a couple of months back on the battle of Carrickfergus, my home town.
Since then i have found and stood beside the grave of Nicholas Bourdot.
I know he went on to be a barber and also a perfumery! I've even been to the site of his shop in Belfast.
This information gives ground to the fact that there was a war and it should be honoured in Carrickfergus.
Hopefully speak soon.
Mark
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Hi there Mark
Acknowledging your post here on this thread, as Sarah has mentioned on the Carrickfergus one, Bunny was online earlier in February but hasn't visited RC since then ... though I'm sure it won't be for lack of interest in what you have to share of your research project.
My daughters visited Belfast from NZ at Easter 2012 and also found and stood beside the grave of Nicholas Bourdot.
:) mare