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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: Kevwood on Wednesday 11 January 06 19:45 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone, i now have the casualty rolls for the Crimean war 1854-1855 and the Indian Mutiny 1857-1859.
If anyone would like a lookup let me know.
Kev. ;D
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Hi Kev,
thank you for such a kind offer.
At your convenience, would you please have a look for John Hill, 61st Regt of Foot, service number 1990, in the Indian Mutiny roll.
Thank you very much.
Thudders
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Hi Thudders, sorry he isn't listed.
The nearest i can find is a John Hills (private) in the 35th foot killed at jugdispore 23/4/1858.
Kev.
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As ever - always interested to hear of any Thomas Lloyd listed - I have 4 in a row that all served throughout the 19th & 20th century - probably Royal Artillery though by no means definite.
Cheers :)
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No problem, Kev.
Thak you very much for your trouble.
Thudnut
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Hi Nigel, the indian mutiny book is indexed by regiment then rank and alphabetically through the ranks.
The Crimea book is indexed by battle then regiment then rank and alphabetically.
I have checked the Royal Artillery for both and no Thomas Lloyds listed.
No problem Thudders. ;D
Kev. ;D
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Many thanks for checking Kev - much appreciated :)
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Hi Kev,
Bit of a long shot but can you check your records for a John Collier from Cambridgeshire. He went missing for the 1861 census and his wife is listed as a widow. I can't find his death in the indexes so I thoght he might have died abroad.
Many thanks
David
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Hi, From the Crimean.
Private John Collier 2662.
62nd regiment of foot(wiltshire)
Slight wound from minor action at Sebastapol 13th April 1855. published in london gazette. 1-5-55
So loads like he was there , but wasn't killed unless he died later from his wound, seems unlikely if it was a slight wound. Will check the Indian Mutiny shortly, could have died in that.
Kev.
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Indian Mutiny.
Private J. Collier 90th Foot(2nd Battalion Cameronians)
wounded at Lucknow 17/11/1857
Kev.
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Thanks Kev - your help is truly appreciated.
David
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Kev, do you have any info about Royal Naval ships serving in the Crimea? I'm trying to find out about HMS Sphynx and St Jean de Acre. An ancester served on both and got medals for the Crimea, Turkish Crimea, Baltic and, I think, India general service medal. But I can't work out where he was when.
Thanks
Pennyx
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Hi Penny, i may not be able to find anything unless he was wounded, what was his name?
Kev. ;D
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Hi Penny,
HMS Sphinx was certainly in the Crimea in 1854, perhaps your ancestor was aboard during this action at Sevastapol that was reported in the Times on November 8th 1854;
'The English had come within range of the batteries on the left shortly before 1 o'clock. The Agamemnan steamed in and engaged Fort Constantine with great determination. The Brittania was towed in, I believe, by the Retribution, then followed the Arethusa, Albion, and London. The Sphinx, newly arrived from the Baltic, went in firing her long fore and aft guns at Fort Constantine with considerable effect, for the enemy took espescial pains to be rid of her, and the shot which fell around her kept the sea in a continual foam.'
Fort Constantine was one of a series of defensive positions around Sevastapol,there is a pic of it here;
http://www.xenophon-mil.org/crimea/war/sevastopol/harbor02.htm
Hope this helps a bit,
Mick ;)
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Thanks, he definitely was there then because that's how he got his medal - everyone in the RN at Sevastapol did.
Liz
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Kev, thanks, but he retuned hale and hearty, very hearty judging by later photos.
Liz
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Hi Kev
Any Gabriel`s on record?
Thanks in advance
Gabba
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Hi Gabba, none for the Crimea, I've got some in my tree though!!
Will check indian mutiny later as its not alphabetical.
Kev.
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Gabriels in you tree?
Who?
Regards
Steven Gabriel
aka GABBA
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Elizabeth Gabriel(1767 - 1834) was my G.g.g. granma, she married James West in Fremington, Devon
Daughter of Richard Gabriel (1741-1810) and Margery Eastabrook.
She had siblings.
Richard (1769-1821)
Mary(1770-1843)
John(1772-1840)
William(1774-1844)
Henry(1776-1831)
Thomas(1778-)
James(1781-1789)
Richard Gabriel was the son of Edward Gabriel(1710-1775) and Agness Hammond.
All from Instow and Fremington area in Devon.
Any links??
Kev. ;D
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Hi Kev,
Another long shot. I am researching William Varmen (other possible spellings are Varmin, Vermon, Vermont, Varman, Vernon, Vermin) who is listed as a Chelsea Pensioner in 1861 Census. He was born in 1829 in Puriton near Bridgwater in Somerset. He is missing from 1851 Census. The local regiment would be the Somerset Light Infantry, who I know were involved in both the Indian Mutiny and the Crimea. However I have no proof that he was in that regiment. Could you possibly check to see if he was wounded in either the Indian Mutiny or the Crimea.
Many thanks in advance
Ore Dragon
Census information is Crown Copright
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Gabba, got a Private James Gabriel 1st madras Fusiliers-Killed in action at Aong 15/7/1857.
Ore-Dragon not in the Crimea listings and not under the S.L.I(1st battalion 13th foot) in the indian mutiny.
Kev.
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Hi Kev,
Thanks very much.
Ore Dragon
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Kev, could you look up Thomas O'Brien. I do not know his regiment but the 1871 census indicates that he was a Crimean Pensioner and was blind. Sorry to be so vague.
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Hi, Manchester. All of these im afraid.
O'Brien Thomas Private 2772 18th Foot (Royal Irish) Severely Wounded Sebastopol 18/6/1855
O'Brien Thomas Private 2519 2nd Battalion 1st Foot (Royal Scots) Dangerously Wounded Final Attack on the Redan 8/9/1855
O'Brien Thomas Sergeant 3431 50th Foot (The Queen's Own) Slightly Wounded Sebastopol 13/4/ 1855
O'Brien Thomas Private 3677 88th Foot (Connaught Rangers) Slightly Wounded The Assault on the Quarries 7/7/1855
O'Brien Thomas Private 88th Foot (Connaught Rangers) Slightly Wounded Before Sebastopol 1/11/1854
Kev. ;D
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Thanks Kev, I appreciate your help.
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Hi Kev
I am looking for John Wyatt b1826 and his brother Charles b1833.Both from Glossop.Not found beyond 1851 Census.
I do not know if they served,so this is a wild shot.Younger brothers came to Australia.Help appreciated
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Hi Kev
I may be asking the impossible,but here goes.
My maternal great great grandfather James Charters 1794-1861.He was an army captain and farmer,living at "Glendona" Gobrana Antrim.The gravestone of my great grandfather,who came to Australia,states that his father was an army captain.His wife may have come from Yorkshire and I am guessing that they may have met in England whilst serving overseas.
Any help greatly appreciated as it is a total mystery.
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Hi Kev
I wonder if you can be any help with my problem.
I am looking for John James Tamkin.
His obituary claims that he served in the Crimea. I know that he served in the cavalry in the American civil war and went straight in as a sergeant which indicates previous mounted service. He does not appear to have been in the Light Brigade and so the Heavy Brigade seems a possibility.
He was married in Q4 1852 in Poplar and again in the US in June 1856 which would seem to indicate that he did not see the end of the Crimean War. I am thus wondering if he was invalided out. Any ideas would be welcomed.
David
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Hi Lazarus and David, sorry no James Charters or John James Tamkin in the Crimea casualty roll.
Will check the indian mutiny later.
Kev.
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Thank you Kev. I am beginning to think that the Crimea story was so that he could join the Confederates as a sergeant. He was after all a bigamist and so another little lie wouldn't be past him. He was paid to take someone else's place.
Forty years later he was pastor to three churches in West Virginia but still with two living wives and grown up children in the UK and the US.
David
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Thank you Kev. I am beginning to think that the Crimea story was so that he could join the Confederates as a sergeant. He was after all a bigamist and so another little lie wouldn't be past him. He was paid to take someone else's place.
Forty years later he was pastor to three churches in West Virginia but still with two living wives and grown up children in the UK and the US.
David
Wow! David! You have cool relatives!!!!! :) :) :)
Do you have the Civil War information too??
Annie :)
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I have the basis of his service in the Confederate Army thank you Annie. He substituted for John C Dovel in the 7th Virginia Cavalry but in fact served in the newly formed 11th Virginia Cavalry. I have a list of the campaigns that they took part in but have not yet looked into them.
I gather that a substitute was paid $300, which was a lot of money in those days.
David
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Hi David!
Can I ask you a question? ( well 2 or 3 !!)
how did you find out about the substitution?
and where did you find it?
Annie :)
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The fact that the actual substitution took place was on a local history site for either Rockingham County or Shenandoah. I can't remember which I am afraid and its not in my notes (slapped hand). By then I already had a history of his wife's family from a US source.
The figure of $300 I found by reading about the subject in general
David
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David !
I just thought it was interesting! -
there's a few people looking for relatives that fought during the Civil War -
and theres name changes and history changes .... you name it!! - hard to get a handle on them ::)
Thanks for the idea!!
Annie :) :)
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Hi Kev,
Wonder if you would look up my grandfather Henry Grahame MOntagu who served in the 7th Fusiliers in the Crimean and then in the Indian Mutiny. He was 17 when he joined app.1856??. Am looking for his service no. as unable to trace his family or other details prior to this date.
Many thanks
Helenna
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Hi everyone, have found online a list of the recipients of the Indian Mutiny Medal:
http://users.rootsweb.com/%7Eindwgw/medalpage.htm
Had a look and Thudders is there. Nigel there is a thomas lloyd 84th foot. Gabba there are two Gabriels listed.
Lazarus there are some Wyatts.
Hi Helenna, sorry cant find him in any list.
Kev. ;D
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hi Kev
Many thanks for looking. Henry is so elusive, we do have his commemoration medals for these wars, but no other record.
Thanks
Helenna
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Thanks Kev
Now I need to ascertain if any of the Wyatts (from Glossop) are amongst those listed.
JohnWyatt b1826 and Charles Wyatt b1833 would seem to be of military age.I have nothing to suggest they did serve.
Rex
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HI Kev,
Thanks to the link you posted on thursday I found some relatives on Kevin Asplins Mutiny medal site, just wondering if you have any listings for them in the casualty rolls,
Growney, Bernard Corporal 84th York and Lancaster
Growney, John Private 34th Cumberland
Growney Peter ditto
Growney William ditto
Thanks again for providing the link, I just entered the name into the search engine on the offchance and was so surprised to find four of them there ;D ;D ;D, I had no idea that they were in the army at that time!!!
Runey :D
Runey
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Hi Runey,none of them are in the casualty roll, looks like they all made it back in one piece.
Kev. ;D
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Wow Kev, that was fast,
Thanks for that, could they have served in the Crimea as well? (my history pre Boer war is rubbish so that may well be a silly question)
Runey
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They certainly could have, they weren't casualties though.Checked it.
84th foot weren't in the Crimea by the look of it, but the 34th were.
http://regiments.org/regiments/uk/inf/034-702.htm
http://regiments.org/regiments/uk/inf/084-793.htm
Kev. ;D
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Thanks Kev,
A whole new area of research for me, will have to check out those links and bone up on the Indian Mutiny and the Crimea now. Thats the best thing about this family history, you never know where a link will lead you and what you can find, its like an amazing treasure hunt :D
Thanks again,
Runey ;D
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I am trying to trace a relative who was a sergent in the 92nd regiment guards. His name was James Logan who hailed from East Lothian. I know that he died prior to his son marrying in 1868.
Regards
Margaret
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Hi Margaret,
This is a bit odd.
He appears to be listed in the medal roll.
http://users.rootsweb.com/%7Eindwgw/MutinyL2.htm
But i can't find the 92nd foot in the casualty rolls at all?
Kev.
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Hi Kev
Could you please look up a Robert Davies born in 1811 who describes himself in the 1861 census as a Chelsea Pensioner out-posted. I therefore assume he has fought in the Crimean war? Your help would be very much appreciated
Thanks
Jum
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Hi Kev
Could you lookup please
Pte Robert Townsend (or Townsley)born c1829
Sutherland Highlanders possibly #2303
I know he was in India by 1867 but have a lot of missing years for this chappie
Any help appreciated
thanks, Sylvia
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Hi Sylvia, there is a Robert George Townsley in the Indian Mutiny medal roll.
Private in the 6th Dragoon Guards (Carabineers).
Kev.
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Hi Jum, welcome to rootschat.
He may have been a little too old for the crimea, do you know where he was born?
May be listed on here.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/searchresults.asp?fldAdvSearchNumber=19180&SearchType=2&SearchInit=0
Kev.
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Thanks Kev, I had seen that one but I'm not sure if it's the same person?
I don't have a middle name for my Robert Townsend/Townsley (he changed his name periodically)
Is the 6th Dragoon Guards a Scottish regiment?
Is there any way I can find out more about this Robert George do you think?
Sylvia
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Think they were.
http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/cav/DG6carb.htm
I think it is worth a seperate post to see if anyone knows the best way to go, there are a lot more knowledgeable people than me on here.
Kev. ;D
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Hi Jum, welcome to rootschat.
He may have been a little too old for the crimea, do you know where he was born?
May be listed on here.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/searchresults.asp?fldAdvSearchNumber=19180&SearchType=2&SearchInit=0
Kev.
Hi
I think he was born in Chester
Jum
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Think they were.
http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/cav/DG6carb.htm
I think it is worth a seperate post to see if anyone knows the best way to go, there are a lot more knowledgeable people than me on here.
Kev. ;D
Thanks Kev, might be worth pursuing.
I know the whole family were in Jhansi in 1867 when Robert's son Francis enlisted in the Sutherland Highlanders.
Sylvia
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Hi
New to this message section so hopefully this will work! Found out at the weekend an ancestor Thomas Saunders 2330 enlisted 23rd Foot Royal Welsh Fusiliers in June 1857, and spent over 11 years of his 17 years service overseas.
We think he served in the Indian Mutiny - is there any way you can check?
Thank you. :)
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Hi Supersam, welcome to Rootschat. :)
If you have a look at this link it shows a Pte Thomas Saunders of the 1st Battalion 23rd Foot (Royal Welsh Fusiliers). It could be your man!
The list is the recipients of the Indian Mutiny medal.
http://users.rootsweb.com/~indwgw/MutinyS1.htm
Hope this helps,Mick ;)
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Thank you - that was quick! Thanks for confirming our suspicions. I feel another visit to Kew is needed for more family army records. The hunt goes on.....
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Hi Kev,
When you have some time I would appreciate anything you find on James Kilroy, 61st Regiment of Foot.
In 1853 James was noted as "Sergeant of the 61st Regiment" in 1853 marriage entry and by 1862 he was "Penshioner of the 61st Regiment" - It's all the info I have currently.
Many Thanks
Katarina
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Hi Katarina,
From the Indian Mutiny medal roll.
Kilroy James Corporal 61st Foot (South Gloustershire)
Kev.
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Kev you are a marvel! Where did you find him? I have looked on the net for ages and not found anything on James! Thank you so very much xx.
If I get the chance to go to Kew will I be able to look up the Medal Rolls and find more information about James? Im quite desperate to know about his service record.
Once again thanks
Katarina
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http://users.rootsweb.com/%7Eindwgw/MutinyL2.htm
He wasn't a casualty, i have checked.
Not sure about the medal rolls for indian mutiny at kew.
Kev.
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This is worth a read,
http://members.tripod.com/~Glosters/index-4.html
Steve whose site it is is a member here, post a question about the glosters and i am sure he will see it.
Kev. ;D
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Also worth an email to the glosters museum, they were very helpful with me, my grandad and great grandad were in the glosters.
http://www.glosters.org.uk/location.html
Kev. ;D
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Hi,
Could you please look for a James Thomas Tatham at the Crimea. He went missing in the 1850's, and I have no idea what happend to him.
Thanks, Tippin
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Hi Tippin, not listed in the casualties for the crimea or the indian mutiny medal roll.
Sorry,
Kev.
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Re; Indian Mutiny
Hi Kev,
Do you have anything listed for;
1 George Gander, 52nd Regt of Foot, Service # 1484
2 John Gander, 52nd Regt of Foot, Service # 2250
Thanks,
Mike
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indian mutiny medal roll:
Gander John Private 52nd Foot (Oxfordshire Light Infantry)
this as well,
Gander James Private 52nd Foot (Oxfordshire Light Infantry)
wondered if it was a relative?
no Ganders in the casualty list for 52nd foot.
Kev.
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Hi Kev,
Thank you. George is my Great Great Grandfather. John was his brother, (my 3G Uncle). I do know that John died in India of colera on 8 Sept.1857 in Delhi. I haven't found a connection to James yet. I thought that, perhaps, one of them may have been wounded while in India as, according to their WO97s, they both spent time in hospital.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Mike, when i get a chance i will check the whole casualty list, i only checked the 52nd foot as the list is indexed in regiments rather than alphabetical.
May have been in a different reg in Indian?
Kev.
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Kev,
George, as far as I know from his W097s was only with the 52nd. He did transfer to the Royal Canadian Rifles in 1858. (That's how my line got to Canada). George is shown in India, at Umballa from 31-12-1853 to Suthaboo, Meerut, Lucknow, Cawnpore and (Sealkite?), embarking as an invalid, back to England on 31 march 1857.
Mike
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Thats why i can't find him then, the Indian Mutiny didn't start until may 1857. The 1st battalion where in India in 1853, I would contact to museum to see if you can find out what they were doing.
http://www.armymuseums.org.uk/amot-search/default.asp?Category=Amot&Service=Museum-Display&reference=0000000078
http://www.armymuseums.org.uk/amot-search/default.asp?Category=Amot&Service=Museum-Display&reference=0000000097
Kev.
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Kev,
OK, so he's 1st Batallion. I did not know that. Thank you for the links and the look ups!
Mike
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no problem.
http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/inf/052-757.htm
Kev.
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This might be worth a shot - to look into!
http://www.ans.com.au/~rampais/genelogy/india/indexes/index.htm
Annie :)
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Kev
Thank you very much :) for the look up and referrals to other info on the 61st.
I don't know what we would do without people like you and others here who take the time (a lot of your own time!) to help.
xx
Katarina
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;D ;)
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Hi, I hope you can help. I have two ancestors who died or were killed in India but I don't know the circumstances.
My 3 x Great Grandfather Thomas O'Connell from Cork served as a Private in the 3rd Madras European Regiment and died in about 1867/8.
My 2 x Gt Grandfather (who married Thomas O'Connell's daughter) was James Magee and he served in the Royal Horse Artillery as a Quarter Master Sergeant. I'm not sure of the Battalion he was in as the original marriage certificate I have is so faded. He must have died between 1864 and 1869.
There is a possibility he also served in the Crimea, but in the Royal Artillery as a Gunner/Driver, prior to going to India.
Thanks in anticipation.
Carole
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Hi Margaret,
This is a bit odd.
He appears to be listed in the medal roll.
http://users.rootsweb.com/%7Eindwgw/MutinyL2.htm
But i can't find the 92nd foot in the casualty rolls at all?
Kev.
Many, many thanks Kev. This is a real find - I've been searching for James Logan for ages.
Do you think it is worth contacting the Gordon Highlanders for any further information?
Regards
Margaret
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Caroline, the records for the indian mutiny only cover 1857-59.
Margaret, i think it is well worth contacting them to see if they have any info.
http://www.gordonhighlanders.com/home.cfm?p=research
Kev. ;D
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Thanks Kev
I'll get onto the Gordon Highlandser now
Margaret
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Hello Kev
Just on the off chance, could you check for a James Halpin/Halpen who was in the 89th Regiment.
Many thanks
Allyson
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There is this one in the Indian Mutiny medal roll:
Halpin James Private 8th Hussars (King's Royal Irish)
Not in either casualty roll.
Kev.
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Hi,
I don't know if you can help me with a family research query that's proving a real problem. My GGG Grandfather was Daniel Hinton. We can't find his marriage but on his son's birth certificate in Dec 1862 he gives his occupation as "Private Royal Marines". He doesn't appear on the 1861 census - his wife does under her maiden name so the marriage must have taken place after March 1861. Nor does he appear on the 1851 and by 1871 his wife gives herself as widow. We also can't find his death anywhere.
So, we wondered if he might have been away in the army in 1851/61 and if there might be any record of him in your lists
around that time. If he died abroad would he still have a death certificate?
Anything that would help us find out more would be most gratefully received.
Many thanks
Helen
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Hi Kev,
Would much appreciate a lookup for Charles POTTS, Cheshire Regiment.
Many thanks!
Rambler
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Hi Helen and Rambler.
Cant find either of them im afraid.
Helen, he would still have a death certificate if he died abroad, it would be listed in the oversea deaths section, it is available on the 1837online site(pay to view), but i have looked and can't see him.
Kev.
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Thanks for looking, Kev.
Rambler
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Hi Kev
Do your records for the Indian Mutiny only apply to those killed or wounded?
I am looking for Robert Townsend, Private, 41st Foot who served from at least 1855-1865 but have no idea if he was wounded. I know he went on to claim his pension in the 1880's.
Also, don't know if you can help with this one, do you know if the Army records at Kew are listed under Regiment then name or just name of soldier. The reason I ask is that a contact searched for Robert Townsend for me at Kew. At that time I thought he was in the Sutherland Highlanders the same as his son. She couldn't find his record. Would it help to look in the 41st regiments records please?
many thanks for any help, Sylvia
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Hi,
I'm hunting for a Charles George Calland who I know was an Army Major in 1841 and could well have served in India. Any ideas??
Thanks
Brigcs
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Good morning Kev
Would appreciate if you could confirm the Crimea claps to 3676 .JOSph.BROWN 49th.REG
Thanks
Paul
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Hello Kev,
You have done a wonderful job for people, I wonder if you could do the same for me?
I have several Bunch men who could have been in India (James, George, Francis, Adam, John) and a James Bunch (their father) who is reported to have been in the Crimea. Do you have any Bunches in your records, it would be lovely to know.
Many thanks
Daff
ps. forgot to say they were variously in the 42nd, 72nd and 78th.
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Hi Daffy,
Wish I was having as much luck. It looks like my Grandad just posed for a photo in any old uniform! He was known to tell tall stories(that's why Grandma divorced him).
Good luck with your research today!
Brigcs :) 8)
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Hi everyone, will try and go through this.
I only have access to the Crimea and Indian Mutiny casualty rolls and the Indian Mutiny Medal(which is now online)
So in order:
Sylvia, for some reason the 41st foot aren't listed in the indian mutiny list , the sutherlands are and he isn't listed.
I am unsure of the records at kew, but if you ask on the armed forces board someone will know.
Brigcs, there IS a Charles Calland in the indian mutiny medal roll, private in the 1st Battalion 24th Foot (2nd Warwickshire)
Hi Paul, i dont have the medal roll so sorry i can't help with that.
Daff, thank you.
Nothing in the crimea casualty roll but.
Bunch James Private 42nd Foot (Royal Highland) in the indian mutiny medal list.
Hope that helps, and to those it doesn't best of luck with your search.
Kev. ;D
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Thanks Kev
My mistake, I should have read your first post more carefully.
Paul
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Kev, thanks for looking. So does that mean that the father would have only been on your list if he was killed or injured? I know he died before 1864 and not in Scotland.
Thank you.
Daff
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try malta,he could have died there,mack
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Thanks for looking Kev
Sylvia
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Dear Kev
when you have a moment could you check the casualty records for three men who are listed in the on line Indian mutiny medal list?
private Bernard McSpiril (it should be McSpirit but is often mis heard/mistranscribed) of the 27 Foot Inniskilling
Pvt William McSparrin of the same regiment and
PVt Dennis McSpiritt of 78 foot Highland.
thanks in anticipation. your offer is very much appreciated
N
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Hi,
If you have time, please could you look in the casualty rolls for India for:
Martin CHESTER
John CHESTER
Jesse CHESTER
they were born in Newport Pagnell and Martin CHESTER
is sometimes listed as Richard CHESTER.
There is a John and a Martin CHESTER in the 84th regiment
of foot on the online Indian Mutiny medal roll - these may be the right people - but I'ld be interested if there were any
other by the same names.
Many thanks,
T
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hi, will check in the next couple of days for you.
Kev.
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Hi Kev
A long-shot here but could you have a look for a JAMES BIBBY (or BIBBEY, BIDDY etc.) Not killed but maybe injured in either Crimea or India. Sorry don't have a regiment but born c1827 and listed as a pensioner.
Paul Bibby
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I know this is a long shot but worth a try.
Can you please search for a James Sanders/Saunders. He is supposed to be with the Royal Artillery.
Thank you.
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Hi Kev,
Thanks for the offer. This is a very long shot but I'm at a brick wall here and I'll try anything.
I am looking for Abraham King from Shipdham Norfolk. He had a son William Alma Sebastopol King b. Jan. 1854 and his wife Lucy is marked as a widow on the birth certificate. Could he have gone to the Crimea and been killed and she named the son after the engagements he was in?
It would be great if you could help.
Best regards,
David
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Hello Kev
I would really appreciate it if you could look up for me the name of Roger Woods. His rank I think was as a Sergeant and his was killed defending the Barelli Gates during the Indian Mutiny. He left a wife, a son called Albert (I think) and a daughter, name unknown.
Regards
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Hi
is it possible to look up a Dougherty McVeigh who i suspect may have been involved in the Crimean war although he wasn't killed he appears on later census as Chelsea pensioner.
He would have been in the Royal Artilliary
Many thanks in advance
Andrea
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Hi Kev
I have a bit of a mystery.
Family tales say that Alfred May's sister & niece used to talk about him being in the Crimea.
I have a photograph of Alfred wearing three medals which, according to someone in the know, appear to be from the Indain Mutiny. Indeed one looks remarkedly like the medal in your link to Recipients of the Indian Mutiny Medal although the photograph is in sepia & you can't see the detail on the medal itself. However he doesn't appear to be listed there.
Another problem is his age. He was baptised in 1846 so he would only have been about 11-13. Could he have lied about his age or have been a drummer boy? How would he have got his medals if he was so young?
His father married three times although I haven't actually found his second marriage to Alfred's mother, Jane Deaves & am beginning to suspect he may not have actually married her.
He did go by the name of Alfred May though throughout his life & was listed in the 1861 census so survived the Mutiny.
I do not know his regiment but I wonder if he got the medals through being injured in battle.
If you can help in any way it would be much appreciated.
Regards
criggy
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I am looking for Abraham King from Shipdham Norfolk. He had a son William Alma Sebastopol King b. Jan. 1854 and his wife Lucy is marked as a widow on the birth certificate. Could he have gone to the Crimea and been killed and she named the son after the engagements he was in?
Hi David,
Are you sure about the birth year?
If William had been born in January '1855' then I would have thought it very probable that he was named after the Crimean engagements,however, the allied troops didn't land in the Crimea until September 14th 1854 and the battle of the Alma took place on the September 20th 1854.The allied forces then marched to Balaclava on September 26th 1854. The first major attack on Sebastapol was on Oct 17th 1854.
Mick :)
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Good morning Mick,
Sorry, my mistake - somehow I put the wrong year down!
His date of birth is 30th January 1855 so it does fit with the Crimean battles.
Best regards,
David
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I do not know his regiment but I wonder if he got the medals through being injured in battle.
Hi Criggy,
I'm not sure where Kev is, but in the meantime I can identify the medals for you.
From left to right on the photo he is wearing;
The Crimean War Medal
http://www.historikorders.com/balme.jpg
The Indian General Service Medal (With Clasp)
http://www.historikorders.com/1959a.jpg
The Indian Mutiny Medal
http://www.historikorders.com/1448.jpg
These medals weren't awarded for injury in battle but for taking part in certain Campaigns. The Indian General Service Medal was awarded for over 40 years from 1854 to 1895 to men who served in India, there were 24 different clasps that were awarded for involvement in Campaigns and expedition's.
Hope this helps a bit,
Mick :)
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Hi Mick
Many thanks for your input, very much appreciated. ;D I was secretly hoping that someone might recognise the medals although they were a bit faded so I didn't hold out too much hope.
The family tales were probably true then, after all ;D
Alfred couldn't have been the Alfred May born in 1846 though as he would have been too young. I think that perhaps my Nicholas May may have had another older son named Alfred May, perhaps the younger one being named after him! Nicholas was in the 6th dragoons when he married his first wife so it may be possible that the older Alfred was born elsewhere or even somewhere abroad.
Once again, many thanks
Regards
criggy
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You're welcome Criggy!
I did double check the i.d. of the medals with a medal collector friend,so you can be sure that they are the right one's and they would appear to confirm the family stories. ;)
Interesting to hear that his father was also in the army as son's of serving army men could join up at 14 (younger in some cases and usually,but not alway's, in the same regiment) and usually as bandsmen, drummers, bugler's etc. and if they took part in the Campaign's (and many did!) they were awarded the same medals as the men.
One thing I am a bit puzzled about, if the photo is Alfred May, I'm not sure why he isn't on the Indian Mutiny medal roll! It lists all of the recipients,the only likely contender's would seem to be Alfred Mayes and possibly Alfred Maybank. :-\
http://users.rootsweb.com/~indwgw/medalpage.htm
What is needed is the regiment he served with.If Alfred's children (if he had any) were born during his service, then his rank and regiment should be noted on the birth certificates.
Good luck,
Mick :)
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Hi Mick
Many thanks for your input once again.
The 6th dragoons info was from Alfred's father's first marriage in 1826. He had left the dragoons by the 1841 census though.
It is a mystery why Alfred is not on the list as you say. If he had been with the regiment he would have been 10 -13! Alfred went off to be a miner in Wales & did not marry so no help there.
The photogaph came from a correspondant whose grandmother, Emma, was Alfred's youngest half-sister. Alfred was 18 years older than Emma but was still with the family in the 1871 census aged 25.
He also sent photo's of George & Henry, Emma's two brothers so think the photo must be correct. A date for an older (?) Alfred's birth was put at 1834 but I've no idea where this date came from. (Was it on the back of the photo perhaps?)
However, there were two other older half brothers, George & Nicholas. The earlier George was born about 1833 & was around in the 1851 census although I haven't found him after that. Will have to have another search for him. However it seems likely that this George may have died 1851-1859 & the second George was named after him. There are George Mays in the list!
Lots of mysteries in this family but I'm slowly unravelling some of them. At least I now know exactly what the medals are, so many thanks once again for that.
Regards
criggy
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Hi Kev
A long shot, but can you look for a Thomas Shinkwin in the Crimea records. He was in 50th Foot. 1851 Census shows him as a Musician Drummer and 1861 Census as a Corporal. Many years ago the family had his Crimea medal with clasps Alma Imkerman and Sebastapol. He was my great-grandfathers's stepson. GG (Theophilus Liebrecht) was also with the 50th Foot from 1842 to 1853. Married Margaret Shinkwin in India 1842 (widow of John Shinkwin of 44th Foot - killed in Khyber Pass.
Thanks a lot
Malcolm L
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Hi - anyone know what's happened to this thread?
Is it now defunct, as no postings have been replied to for some time now.
Paul B
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Hi I'm new to this board but I wonder if you may be able to help. I'm looking for James Baker ,named in his son's birth certificate in November 1857 as a private in the 7th Dragoon Guards. I believe that the 7th didn't participate in the Crimea but were posted over to India in 1858.Is this correct? Also by 1861 in the Census his wife is declaring herself a widow but of course this may well be grass widow alone. If you could give me any guidance as to whether he was a casualty in India. I am also interested to find out where the 7th recruited to where he came from . As his wife Mary Nolan was Irish I'm wondering whether he was recruited in Ireland or it was a posting over there,This may help me find where they came from.
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Hi everyone, sorry for the delay, i have been incredibly busy and havn't been able to get on here for quite a while, i will try and look back at the requests and see what i can do. asap
Kev. ;D
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Well!!!
Firstly, just to reiterate, the Indian Mutiny casualty roll i have is a book(indexed by regiment), therefore it isn't fully searchable so unless you have a regiment or idea of one then i would have to spend an hour going through it for each person, im nice ;D but not that nice ;D sorry.
The Crimean casualty list is online
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/heatherasplin/home2.html
I have the book , but now it is online, i use that instead,for the same reason as above. So you can double check it if you want.
Here we go:(not good results)
NMcS : none of them listed
Tigger: no Chesters listed in the 84th
Bibbypj: No James Bibbys there are some others if interested
ClazyAunt: Got a Gunner John Saunders(RA) slightly wounded at Lucknow 9/3/1858 and 11/3/1858
Mountain Man: not listed , see above link
Rosemay: No Roger Woods in medal list or casualty roll
Andreajs: not listed, see above link
malcolm1: not listed, see above link
criggy: thanks Mick ;D
saxonw: welcome, the 7th dragoons aren't listed in the book, they must be under another regiment.
Nothing useful, sorry people.
Kev.
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Hi Kev
Thank you for your time anyway
Regards Andrea
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Thank you for your time. That at least eliminates one option. Back to the army site to see when they merged with the 4th. :D
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Could you please look up.
David Shubart 84th York & Lancaster. Married in1849 Secunderabad, had a daughter in1850 Trichinopoly.
He's then on the 1861 census as a Sheriff Bailiff in Swansea Wales.
Also Gutlip Shubart (may have been brothers) same Regt in1848 Secunderabad.Thank you Belle.
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Kev
Thanks for the lookup for Thomas Shinkwin. Looks like a visit to Kew and a search of the Muster Rolls for the 50th Foot
Regards
Malcolm L
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Hi Kev
Many thanks for your help - understand about the delay!
I would be interested in any other Bibbys (or similar = Biddy, Bibbey etc) you have found - particularly any with links to London/South England.
(I have seen the list you linked to online - William/Henry I have noted)
Still searching for my ancestor with army connection but without anything concrete to go on have to look at any possibilities.
Thanks once again (for the online link as well)
Paul Bibby
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Don't wish to sound pushy but I feel over looked. :'(
Yes or no will do 8)
Could you please look up.
David Shubart 84th York & Lancaster. Married in1849 Secunderabad, had a daughter in1850 Trichinopoly.
He's then on the 1861 census as a Sheriff Bailiff in Swansea Wales.
Also Gutlip Shubart (may have been brothers) same Regt in1848 Secunderabad.Thank you Belle.
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Hi Belle, just got back from two days holiday.
Not sure what you would like me to check?
There is a link to crimean casualty list and to the indian mutiny medal list(above), they don't appear on either.
So i checked the Casualty roll for indian mutiny and nothing im afraid, i would see if anyone has the crimean medal roll and ask for a look-up.
Kev.
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Sorry to be a pain, but I thought you had more information,
I did look at the sites you mentioned but can't make head nor tail of them, like you couldn't find them.
What I'm trying to achieve is David Shubarts where abouts between 1851-61 and also hes rank. Thanks Belle ;D
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Dear Lookups, any mention of a Daniel McGurgan in the Indian Mutiny? I think he was Irish, is claimed to have died in the Bay of Bengal. Any help appreciated!
Jo
badoldladyathotmail.com
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Hi Kev
thanks for taking the trouble to look those guys up for me. much appreciated
NMcS
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Hi, Jo/badoldlady,
I can find him listed anywhere, sorry.
Kev.
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Thanks for trying, Kev.
Jo
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Hi Kev
I noticed this post & wondered if you would be able to lookup Edward Bayley? He was killed in the Crimean War on the night of the 7th June 1855. He had volunteered to lead an attack upon the Quarries at Sevastopol. He was a Captain/Major with the 88th Connought Rangers.
Jayson
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This is all it says Jayson:
Bayley Edward Brevet Major
88th Foot (Connaught Rangers)
Mortal Wound The Assault on the Quarries 7 June 1855 Died of Wounds, 08 June 1855
no more than you have by the look of it.
Kev.
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Dear Kev,
Any chance of a lookup for - Amos Jackson, in the mutiny. I don't know the regiment - sorry.
Sue
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Hi Kev
Thank you so very much for this. How interesting the details that I have about him (taken from two memorial tablets) say that he died on the 7th so your message has given me some extra info, and that he really died on the 8th.
Many thank ;)
Jayson
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Hi Kev
Another long shot but do you have anything on a Henry Sherry of Kent in the Crimea war.
Don't have a regiment sorry
Regards
EddieW
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Hi Kev
Please could you do a lookup for me in the casualties of the Crimea and Indian Mutiny?
I can't find a JOHN MCLAREN of 71st Regiment of Foot
who we think died 1856-1861 possibly in Crimea, Malta or India as we can't find death in UK.
There's no Service Docs at Kew for him only his name in Muster Book of Regiment but there's 2 of them with same name who seem to come and go at will.
Have found his friends in the 71st Regiment - THOMAS FARMER on the Indian Mutiny Medal list who later married John's widow in 1861. Found only Thomas's brother HUGH FARMER's service docs who was in the Crimea but not India.
Hope you can find him for us.
Thanks
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Hi Kev
I wonder if you could help with a rather vague question. I'm researching my husband's family as well as my own and have a problem finding one man.
This man's surname was Lee but we have no idea of his first. Legend has it that this man was a sergeant in the Norfolk regiment and was in the Crimea (around 1855 so I'm told.) He was from Great Yarmouth if that helps.
Thanks
FeeJay
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Hi everyone,
The reason i haven't been replying (apart from the fact quite busy) is if you read this thread most of the info i have is available online:
Indian Mutiny Medal List:
http://users.rootsweb.com/%7Eindwgw/medalpage.htm
Crimean War Casualty List:
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/heatherasplin/home2.html
So PLEASE look for yourself were ever possible.
I will try to look for the Indian Mutiny casualty requests, but without a regiment i can't do it.
Kev. ;D
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Replies:
Sue:without a regiment , wont find him sorry.(unless i get 3 hours to spare to look through all 200 pages) try the mutiny medal list as it is alphabetical.
JF : checked Indian Mutiny and hes not listed under 71st foot(1st battalion Highland light infantry) , you can check Crimea through the link(have you checked overseas death records available at 1837online or familyrelatives sites)
FeeJay: The Norfolks were the 9th regiment of foot in the Crimea.
http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/inf/009RNorf.htm
Hope that helps:
Kev.
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Hi Kev,
Please can you look for Frederick Mead [Meades] 2nd Bn Rifle Brigade
Army No. 3861. Crimea & Idian Mutiny. I have reason to believe that he was wounded but not sure where.
Many thanks,
Mistyrose
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Sorry Mistyrose, doesn't appear in either list.
Kev.
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Thanks for looking Kev. Misty
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Hi Kev
I am looking for Patrick Foley born Dublin between 1834 and 1840 possibly of the 2nd Bengal Fusiliers, 104th Foot Regiment, 109th Foot Regiment or Royal Munster Fusiliers. I know he served in Bengal possibly between 1850-1881.
Thanks
Margaret :)
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James Olley 1832-1920 -Charge of the Light Brigade participant.
I believe he was in the 4th Light Dragoon & was in hospital at Scutari(he claimed to have been nursed there by Florence Nightingale).
There was a article in the Dereham & Fakenham Times Jan 1888 where he gave an account of his experience.
Also at Brompton Barracks March 1855 he met Queen Victoria & received a gift of gloves,stockings etc.
Please can you look in your list to see if he is there.
Cheers
bettyespana
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Hi, I have a John Petherick Harris who was in the coldsteam guards during the crimean war. He had a bible signed by Florence Nightingale, unsure if he met her because he was injured or if he met her through some other means. Thank you for your time
Megan
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Hi Kev,
I just saw the internet link and Have had a look for myself, no such luck for me, But what a great site.
Ciao Megan
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Hi ,
Just found James Olley ,great site ,sorry if you could not find yours.
Cheers
bettyespana
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Hi Kev, Trying to locate Thomas McInnis. wife Bridget McInnis. I first locate them at Madras1846. marriage cert: Then I have children Christina 1847, Ronald 1847, Ann 1851. I am trying to locate birthplace of Thomas/Bridget.
so that I can further my research into their families.
I have Thomas as a Lance corporal in 25th Foot Soldiers which I am told is also called K.O.S.B.
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Hi, as far as i can tell the 25th foot/ ksob were not at the Indian mutiny or the crimean.
Looks like they left India in 1853.
http://regiments.org/deploy/uk/reg-inf/025-1.htm
Sorry.
Kev.
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Hi Kev, I think I have found a reference to Thomas in Army Deaths, In Macao. Of course I dont know where that is, but I will do a dearch and find it. I am hoping I can get a death certificate which might give me birthplace. Do you know of anywhere else where I might find out where Thomas enlisted. again hopefully find a birthplace/birthcert:?
I thank you most sincerly for your prompt reply. gives me incentive to keep on searching, Thanks.
Joyce.
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Macao is on the southern coast of China. It predated Hong Kong as a major trading port and was run by the Portuguese until 1977 when it was finally handed back to China. It has a similar history to Hong Kong although it lost its prominence when Hong kong became powerful.
David
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Thanks David........Joyce.
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Hi...I am looking for information on someone that was in the Crimean War....name of DIMITRIUS SEMARK...
Any help would be appreciated...
Thank you
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Hi Gotcha, sorry not listed in the casualty roll for the Crimea.
Kev.
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Hiya Kev, :)
Can you look for Augustine Ansboro in the Crimea Please
Thankyou Kev,
Jacky :)
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Hi Jacky, not in the casualty list.
Kev.
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Thanks for looking for me Kev,
Jacky :)
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Hi there - could you have a look for the following 2 individuals for the Indian Mutiny please?
Samuel VALLIS - Private - 2nd Battalion Rifle Brigade
Benjamin VALLIS - Private - 9th Lancers (The Queen's Royal)
Thanks - HiFly
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Hi HiFly,
Samuel isn't listed.
Benjamin was wounded at Delhi 14/9/1857
Kev.
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hello Kev,
I have an ancestor who seems to have disappeared from the records around this time, so I wonder if he fought in the Crimea. He is Henry Stewart, an infantryman of the 1st regiment Foot (I think that may be what is later the Royal Scots, but not sure). He had been living in Edinburgh in 1851, he was born c1815 and was originally a flesher to trade, though his daughter's marriage cert. show him as belonging to this regiment.
I know it's a bit of a long shot, but would be delighted if you can find anything, thanks.
Janet
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Hi Janet,
Nothing im afraid.
This is the only H Stewart, although there are a couple who are in the 1st Foot.
Stewart H Private 3338 95th Foot (Derbyshire) Severe Wound Minor actions at Sebastopol 31 August 1855
Kev.
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Hi HiFly,
Samuel isn't listed.
Benjamin was wounded at Delhi 14/9/1857
Kev.
Thank you Kev ..much appreciated...
Could I just ask if you could check for any other Vallis/Vallas/Valles please?? - for both the Crimea and Indian Mutiny.
TIA- HiFly
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Hi Janet,
Nothing im afraid.
This is the only H Stewart, although there are a couple who are in the 1st Foot.
Stewart H Private 3338 95th Foot (Derbyshire) Severe Wound Minor actions at Sebastopol 31 August 1855
Kev.
Thanks for taking the time Kev. Are any of the Stewarts in the 1st Foot from Scotland, by any chance?
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Stewart J.E. Lieutenant ? 2nd Battalion 1st Foot (Royal Scots) Danger Wound The Assault on the Quarries 7 June 1855
Stewart James Private 2876 2nd Battalion 1st Foot (Royal Scots) Slight Wound Minor actions at Sebastopol 23 May 1855
Kev.
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No other Vallis' or variations HiFly
Kev.
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Stewart J.E. Lieutenant ? 2nd Battalion 1st Foot (Royal Scots) Danger Wound The Assault on the Quarries 7 June 1855
Stewart James Private 2876 2nd Battalion 1st Foot (Royal Scots) Slight Wound Minor actions at Sebastopol 23 May 1855
Kev.
Thanks for this Kev, I'll see if these throw up any light on my Henry. Much obliged.
Janet
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Hi Kev
Can you tell me if there was any casualties in the zulu war with the surname Hodges.
Regards lancejack
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Hi Kev,
Could you look up Henry Grahame Montagu of the 7th Fusiliers in the Crimean War and then went on to !3th Somerset REg. serving in the Indian Mutiny. Am given to understand that he was injured 3 times and nursed by Florence Nightingale, (werent they all)
Many thanks
Helenna
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Can you tell me if there was any casualties in the zulu war with the surname Hodges.
Lancejack,
There is an online list of the battle casualties (it does not include those who died of disease etc) from the Anglo-Zulu war of 1879. There is only one Hodges;
709 Private Hodges Thomas 80th Foot (Staffordshire Volunteers) Killed in Action Intombi 12 March 1879
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/heatherasplin/SA1879cas.html
Regards,
Arf
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hi could you look for a joseph or william nedley 27th first, that is all the info i have,know his son was born in jamica.
angela
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Hi,
please could you look up Zachariah Silas Curgenven who served in the Crimean and I believe was a medical orderly.
Thank you
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Hi Kev ........... I just have to avail myself of your very kind offer.
What I have is from the London Gazette which states;
"Serjeant-Major Twitchin, G-walior, 13th and 14th
May, murdered by the mutinous corps of the
Gwalior Contingent.
Killed by the Moorar Mutineers june 1857"
I have since found that his 1st names were 'Frederick J'.
I cannot find what regiment he was in or where he was born (particularly as I do a 'one name' study) so assume that he may have been born in India.
Further research shows that he married Amelia Cordell in 1847.
Any detail that you can unearth would be most appreciated.
joboy
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Hi Joboy,
He was in the Gwalior Contingent (4th Regiment) murdered by mutineers at Moorar 14/6/1857
The Gwalior were part of the Bengal Army.
Kev.
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Thanks Kev,
When you state 'Bengal Army' does this mean that such army was not British but solely Indian or perhaps a private army?
joboy
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Hi, Joboy.
I think he would have been English as he was killed by mutineers, although he may have been born in India.
You can read about the Bengal Army here
http://www.regiments.org/regiments/southasia/lists/iargts.htm
Kev.
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Hi Kev,
Could you try to find a W Howard of 1st Regt (Royal Scots I believe) He was at Sebastopol and may have lost an arm.
Thanks
Damian
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Hi Damian, welcome to Rootschat.
Found this:
William Howard: Private 3862 1st Battalion 1st Foot (Royal Scots)
Slight Wound Minor actions at Sebastopol 13 July 1855
also Severely wounded 7 August 1855
Kev.
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Kev,
Many thanks - Any way to imvesigate how he ended up in the Royal Scots?/ He was from Buckinghamshire?
Thanks
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Now here's a poser for you Kev.
I'm doing some casual research for a lady I know whose great grandfather survived the Charge of the Light Brigade but supposedly died at Gwalior or Moror on 17th June 1858 during the Indian Mutiny.
But I have information to the contrary. Namely the guys picture as an old man in South Africa wearing all his medals and the family history.
His name is John Reilly and he served with the 4th Light Dragoons as RSM in the Crimea and the 8th Hussars in India where he rose to the rank of lieutenant.
What do you have as cause of Death? Surely, if the initial report of his death was erroneous and remained uncorrected, all subsequent reports by major news organs of his supposed death would be wrong too.
Here's the link for the thread of conversations between myself and Neil:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,254507.0.html
Cheers Dan Molloy
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Hi Dan, very odd
Reilly, J
Killed in action at Gwalior 17/6/1858
Lieutenant 8th Hussars
Kev.
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Hi Kev,
Another long shot for you - I'm looking for Andrew Cuthbertson, he is missing in 1851 Census, and his wife was a widow in the 1861 Census. I can't find a death, so thought maybe .....?
Helen
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Could you please look up to see if the following names appear on the lists:
James Wolfendale, possibly with the Duke of Cornwalls Light infantry
&
John Thomas Perry Wolfendale, Royal Navy (Although he may have died as a result of injuries back at the Royal Naval Hospital)
I think they are both long shots but I would appreciate if you could have a look
Regards
Stewart
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Hello Kev - I'm hoping you might be able to help me please. I'm trying to find out about my great great great grandad, Henry Cook, who was a Private in the 6th Dragoons. He had a son born in 1861 in Amhednuggur (in the Maharastra state) and a daughter in Mhow in 1864 so I know he was in India between then.
I think he may have been in the mutiny as I've found a refernece to the same name, rank in the 1857-59 mutiny medal rolls but I'm not sure if it's him as I don't know whether he was in the
Inniskillin or Carabinier 6th dragoons.
Anyway would you be able to check if there is a Henry cook , private, of the 6th Dragoons in your list?
Many thanks
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ZACHARIAH SILAS CURGEVEN / CURGEWEN
Hi I hope you can help me find more detail on Zachariah who had a long army record, serving in Crimean and we believe worked as a ward orderly with Florence Nightingale. Any info you could pass on would help put flesh on the bones for Zachariah's family
Many thank
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Hello Kev,
I'd be very grateful if you would look up the following three brothers.
Charles PYNE, b. 1825
Frederick PYNE, b. 1826
Horace PYNE, b. 1829
many thanks, Justin
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Hi, Family legend suggests that a relative of mine was in the charge of the light brigade. I have found casualty names for that period but not those that survived. Family names are May ( could be Thomas) and Goodwin (also probably Thomas). It is possible that another relative with another surname was involved. I do know that the family is probably from the St Alkn=munds distric of Derby at the time. Any help gratefully recieved
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Hi Kev,
Could you let me know if you can see a George Walters/Walter (1836 - 1882) and a Charles Songer (1838 - 1898) both listed for the Indian Mutiny. I think George Walters was in the 1/23rd (whatever that is)! ;D
Many thanks!
Cheers, PP
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Hi Kev
If you're still offering to do lookups, could you possibly check whether a MONSELL was a casualty in the Crimea? There is a memorial window in St Jude's Church Englefield Green (original east window, installed when the church was erected in 1859), with an inscription "To a most beloved son" and also "A devout soldier", which local legend says was in memory of the son of John Monsell, the clergyman who was responsible for the building, but doubts have been cast on the story. If it wasn't a MONSELL then I suppose it is likely to have been the son of another rich man connected with the church, but a check on MONSELL to start with would be much appreciated. :D
Thanks
Geoff
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Hi Kev,
If it is not too much trouble, please could you look up a man called
John Job Gardiner who was in one of these regiments
6th (Inniskilling) Regiment of Dragoons;
= 7th (The Queen's Own) Regiment of Hussars;
= 17th Regiment of Lancers
Best wishes
Philippa
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Hi,
Did you come across any Spooners on either casualty list?
RoryT
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hi,
if it is no trouble,do you mind if you could check if any of these surnames are on the list?
HAYLOR.
KENT.
WATLING.
thanks,chris.
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Hi Kev,
Could you look to see if there is a Stephen Leatham (Letham) listed in any of them.
I know he was a soldier in the 1st Royals based in Aberdeen in 1850 and is later listed as deceased as a serg in the 1st Royals in 1869, As i cant find a death registration at his home I think he may have been KIA somewhere??
Gerry
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Hi all, with the information you've given this is all i can find im afraid.
Spooner Frederick Private 2997 Coldstream Guards Died Mackenzie Farm 26 September 1854 b. Bungay, Suffolk, a labourer, enlisted 16 August 1844 (crimean)
James Spooner - Private. Slightly wounded at Delhi 14/9/1857 52nd foot (indian)
George Walters - Private. Slightly wounded at Lucknow 10/3/1858 1st Btn 23rd Foot.
Kev.
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Hello Kev,
I would be very grateful if you could please look up for MURRAY [I suspect Patrick, Philip or Joseph] probably aged in his mid-30s in the 87th regiment who were in the Crimea in 1854.
Many thanks,
Josey
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Hi
We are trying to trace John Binnie Wallace born circa 1836, we believe he fought in the Crimean War. It would be useful if you could look him up for us.
Thank you, Regards Lin
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Hello Kev ,
I've lost a couple of ancestors who disappeared between censuses
Henry Waters , born 1823 , lived in Stockport
Lawrence Leddy/Liddy born in the 1820's in County Cavan , lived in Stockport
Thank you ,
Linden
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I'd also appreciate a look up for someone who went missing between the 1851 and 1861 censuses - no death reg to be found. It's possible that he joined up but I'm afraid I've no idea of what regiment that would entail.
His name is George Bishop born about 1818 and from East Yorkshire.
Thanks,
Jill
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Hello Kev
Bit of a long shot, but I wonder if you can find any reference to John Roberts of the 38th Foot? All I know is that he was in Halifax, Nova Scotia, with the regiment in 1850/51 when his daughter was born. Thanks.
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Doesn't look as if Kev's answering these anymore. :-\
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Please would it be possible for you to do a look for James Carpenter. I do not know any regiment but I do know from another family member he sailed to the Crimea in 1855. He also went to India and China, returning to the UK in 1862.
On an anncouncement for his daughters marriage he says he is RSM James Carpenter. He came from Hessenford in Cornwall if that is any help.
Thanks
Lynda
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My relative William Mock served at the Crimea and Indian Mutiny with the 8th Hussars service no. 1266 any record of him on your lists, please - Jack
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My relative William Mock served at the Crimea and Indian Mutiny with the 8th Hussars service no. 1266 any record of him on your lists, please - Jack
Hi Jack and welcome to RootsChat !! :)
He's listed in the EJ Boys archive as having ridden in the Charge of the Light Brigade !! :D :D
Mock Pte William 1266 8th H
How exciting !!
Annie :)
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Very many thanks
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Hi Jack !
I have a thread running about the Charge .... do you know much about your William ? could you add to the thread maybe ?? :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,291558.0.html
Annie :)
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Hi Annie/ Afraid I know very little about him. That is really what I'm trying to find. His date and place of birth etc has alluded me. I have many Williams in Devon at the time but I cant pinpoint him - Jack
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Hi Jack ... this is what I found on "A biographical dictionary of the members of the five original regiments of the Light Brigade fron Jan. 1, 1854 to Mar. 31, 1856" by Lawrence W. Crider
Mock Pte William 1266 8th H
Enlisted 10/19/1853 in Westminster at age 17 9/12
At Plymouth 1st Muster - abd Wilson Kennedy fr 05-02 and through 2nd Muster
Camp Guard 3rd Muster
Lord Raglans staff all 3 Musters
At Baidar Valley 1st Muster
Hospital Orderly 11 days
Batman to Brigade Gen 3rd Musters
W/svc Troops entire period
Medal w/ Alma Balaklava and Sebastopol clasps
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03qi/
Annie :)
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Hello Annie/ Thank you very much for the info. Just what the doctor ordered. Can now progress. Jack
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Good ! glad you liked it !! :D
I'm going to add him to the other thread Jack ! let me know if you find anything else !!
Annie :)
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Hi
I wonder if you can help?
A relative of mine was allegedly wounded-more possibly killed in the crimea. Sadly, I have no exact date.
His name was John Dodds and what I do know from an artists drawing of him- he was in the Artillery.
Wnder if you would be so kind as to see if he on your lists- thanks
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Hi
I was hoping you might be able to find information for me on
George Bamford (some times mis-transcribed as Bumford)
service no: 4789
he was in the No:8 Company 2nd battalion P.C.O. Rifle Brigade and was in Subathu, India in March 1862.
I do know that he was wounded but continued on after a stay in hospital.
Any information would be appreciated
Thank you
Jan
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Hi Kev
A very long shot, I'm afraid. There is a story in our family that my GG grandfather, John Gordon (born Edinburgh 1812) was in the "Highlanders". If true, this could have been the 92nd Regiment of Foot who served in both the Crimean and Indian Mutiny campaigns. I realise he won't be on your lists if he wasn't a casualty but I'm clutching at straws here!
Thanks
Peter
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Hi
I wonder if you could give me any extra info on
1515 Carroll (Peter) wounded in the charge os 4th light dragoons - i have hit a brick wall with him (my gr gr grandfather). He was born in Fullamore about 1837.
Any help would be much appreciated
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Hi Kev
My 3x great grand uncle George Dowse, born about 1836 Coventry, was in the KRRC at Meerut during the Sepoy Rebellion of 1857. He wound up by the 1871 census in Millbank Prison in London shown as soldier/prisoner. From the 1881 and 1891 census he was a soldier/inmate at Grove Hall Lunatic Asylum in Bow. He may have died about 1901 in Bow. Is there any mention of a George Dowse (variants - Dows, Douce, etc.) in the casualty lists or medal rolls for the Indian Mutiny?
Thanks
Paul
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This is a long shot but would you have any mention of Sergeant William Jones, 34th Regiment of foot please? I know he was in India, not sure when he made up to sergeant tho. I don't have a number for him ( I have just started a post to try and find out info on him)
many thanks
edit. Just looked on Wikipedia and it says that the 34th were in both the crimea and at the sepoy rebellion so could you please look for him in both, many thanks :-*
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Hi kev,
Are you still doing lookups... I see you have your work cut out for you with so many requests but, If so, I would appreciate a lookup for George Thorne, private, 13th foot regiment (Somerset Light Infantry).
I understand that the 13th were briefly involved in the Crimean war, and the Indian Mutiny.
Thank you in advance. :)
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Hi Kev, I greatly appreciate your kind offer re lookups for the Indian Uprising, and when you find the time would love to know more about:
Thomas Noel and his wife, Elizabeth Leach (dob ~1825 - children born at Jullundur & Meerut). AASSC&T + 60th Regiments.
John Noel ~1790 and his unknown wife.
Any other Noels' as they are probably related.
Thanks again, with kind regards,
Andrew Gourlay
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Hi Kevin,
My husbands Great Great Grandfather Charles Shipton number 2372 of the 46th Regiment was in the Crimean War..can you please see if there are any listing for him on the CD..I also hold his outpatients pensioner papers.
Regards
Dingaling
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Hello Kev I hope you can help me. I am looking for James Holt born 1834 in Nottingham who was in the 4th light Dragoons. In 1859 he married in Coventry and at that time he was a Corporal in Barracks, where was this? He died in 1879 in his hometown Nottingham aged 45.
http://falang007.bravejournal.com/
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Hello Kev,
Thanks for your offer. I am interested in my grt x 5 Uncle Robert Rands, number 2266 who was in the Crimea with the 48th (?) Northants Foot, and later with the 90th Foot 1st Battn in India in the Mutiny.
I have some information about him, but I wonder if you have more. I think he was in hospital till Mar 1854, and also in hospital at Balaclava Apr - Sep 1855, as well as Chichester depot hospital Apr 1856 - Feb 1857. He was the black sheep in the family and seemed to have spent some time in military prisons, not sure what for!! At one time he was a prisoner in hospital.
I appreciate your help. I am also looking for any information about the campaigns which involved the 90th Foot during the mutiny.
Best wishes,
Tony Rands
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Hello Kev & thanks for the offer.
I am looking for a Patrick O'Gara, a bombardier in the Royal Artillery; believe he died in service between 1851 and 1861.
In 1851 he was resident at the RA barracks in Woolwich.
Name was spelt Ocara in 1851 census.
Thanks if you can look him up anytime.
Best wishes
Michael Case
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My relative is Robert W. Burrell. He served in the 68th infantry regiment. I have his service number somewhere if you need it. I have his service medal with clasps for Alma, Inkerman and Sevastapol. He was recruited at age 19 at Portadown, Ireland. Handed down family history is that he died on board ship upon return was Crimea and was buried at sea. I am very interested in any information you can provide.
Thank you.
Tim
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Hi all,
Sorry i haven't been around for a long while. I don't have time at the minute for any look ups BUT
Most of what i have is now available online here
http://www.britishmedals.us/kevin/intro.html
The Crimea casualty roll is listed alphabetically and there is an Indian Mutiny Nominal roll for medals received.
I may have time if you have specific details that you want on the indian mutiny casualty roll to have a quick look.
The Crimea list is exactly the same as the one i have so please look for yourself.
It is a fantastic site so you may find other information to help you so check it out.
Hope you find what you are after.
Kev. :)
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No Murrays in 87th regiment in crimea casualty list
John Wallaces in crimea casualty list
Wallace John Sergeant 2665 1st Battalion 1st Foot (Royal Scots) Slight Wound Minor actions at Sebastopol 16 April 1855
Wallace John Private 77th Foot (East Middlesex) Wounded Battle at the River Alma 20 September 1854
Wallace John Gunner 2267 Royal Artillery Slight Wound Minor actions at Sebastopol 19 August 1855
No Henry Waters or Lawrence leddy/liddy listed
Some George Bishops in mutiny medal roll
Bishop George 9/14 RA Gunner
Bishop George 78 F Private
Bishop George 1/8 F Private
Bishop George John 3 RB Private
No John Roberts for 38th foot listed
There is a:
Carpenter James Private 2521 89th Foot Slight Wound Minor actions at Sebastopol 02 August 1855
No George Bamford in Indian casualty list is in medal roll though.
Gordon John 93rd Foot Lieutenant , indian medal roll has 93rd foot listed as 2nd Btn. Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders so its a possible
Carrol Peter Private 4th Light Dragoons (Queen's Own) Slight Wound Action at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Dowse George 1/60 Regiment of foot Private
in medal roll for indian mutiny, does not appear in the casualty list im afraid
A few William Jones in 34th please have a look at site and see what you think
Thorne George 1/13 Foot Corporal in indian medal roll not in casualty roll
Noel Thomas 1/60 R Sergeant only one in indian mutiny medal roll
no Charles Shipton on casualty roll for crimea
no James holt in any list
Robert Rands not in crimea casualty list BUT
R.Rands Private 90th foot - slightly wounded at Lucknow 16/2/1858 in indian
No Patrick O'Gara there is a Patrick O'Hara died but he was in 1/19th foot
No Robert Burrell in list for crimea
Think thats everyone, PHEW!!!
Hope that helps
Kev. ;)
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Thanks Kev :) :)
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What a star you are!!!
Many thanks,
Josey
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Hello All:
This is my first post & I hope that I have done it correctly.
I am in urgent need of some help in confirming a casualty of the Crimean War. The chap's name is:
2584 Pte. Goodburn Mason, 30th Regiment.
I have several of 2/Rifle Brigade muster rolls, and on one he is listed as 'hospital' and then as 'dead'.
I have scoured every source that I know for Crimean casualties, and have come up empty. As a matter of fact I cannot find him on any British census at all.
I did find a William Henry Goodburn Mason on the 1851 census but cannot connect him to my man in any way at all.
The 2 bars on his medal, ALMA & INKERMANN are also confirmed.
Any help would be most honestly appreciated.
Sincere thanks,
Marty
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Hi Kev,
I am trying to locate an ancestor described as a pensioner - 41st regiment in the 1871 census.
His name is John Thompson
Thanks for your kind offer :)
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Hi Kev,
Apologies....should have read all the posts first and would then have found your link to your wonderful site.
Many thanks for sharing it :) :) :)
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Hello All:
This is my first post & I hope that I have done it correctly.
I am in urgent need of some help in confirming a casualty of the Crimean War. The chap's name is:
2584 Pte. Goodburn Mason, 30th Regiment.
I have several of 2/Rifle Brigade muster rolls, and on one he is listed as 'hospital' and then as 'dead'.
I have scoured every source that I know for Crimean casualties, and have come up empty. As a matter of fact I cannot find him on any British census at all.
I did find a William Henry Goodburn Mason on the 1851 census but cannot connect him to my man in any way at all.
The 2 bars on his medal, ALMA & INKERMANN are also confirmed.
Any help would be most honestly appreciated.
Sincere thanks,
Marty
Marty
It looks as if you have posted on this man in a number of places.
I wonder if you have seen the following which refers to William Henry Goodburn MASON as a printseller in Brighton, Sussex:
At the time of the 1841 census, William Lane was working as a servant in the King's Road premises of William Henry Goodburn Mason (1810-1879), the well known Printseller of Brighton. W. H. Mason was the publisher of the popular coloured print "The Brighton Panorama" (1833) and was later to gain attention for producing the famous coloured print "Cricket Match played between Sussex and Kent, 1849" created by the artists William Drummond and Charles J. Basebe. W. H. Mason was the proprietor of Brighton's Repository of Arts and exhibited engravings, lithographs, aquatints and other works of art at his business premises. During his employment with W. H. Mason, William Lane would have had regular contact with artists - he was living in the same household as William Drummond, the portrait painter, when the 1841 census was taken - and this might explain Lane's later interest in picture framing and portrait photography *. (http://www.photohistory-sussex.co.uk/BTN-LaneWm.htm)
Given the rarity of the name (or at least the names Goodburn AND Mason together), I wonder if you have considered the possibility that the medal holder was related to William H G Mason in Brighton? It might be worth looking to see if he is in the same household at the time of the 1841 Census referred to above.
The National Portrait Gallery website has the following information about William Henry G Mason on its website:
William Mason, Repository of Arts, 1 Ship St, Brighton by 1832-1838, 81 King's Road 1839-1846 or later, 80 King's Road 1850, 108 King's Road by 1851-1871 or later. Carver and gilder, printseller and publisher.
William Henry G. Mason was born in London in about 1811. He was listed in Pigot's Sussex Directory for 1832-4, and as William Henry Mason, printseller, in 1839 and subsequently. In the 1861 census he was recorded as a printseller, age 50, with wife, Mary, age 46, and son, William H., photographic artist, age 21, and other children; he was similarly listed in 1871 census. The business had an account with Roberson, 1832-62 (Woodcock 1997), trading as W.H. Mason from Ship St, 1 Kings Road and 108 Kings Road, Brighton. Mason's printed label is recorded, c.1828-35
It looks as if W H G Mason married in Pancras in the March Quarter of 1838, so if they are related, then this marriage certificate would give WHG's father's name and carry you back a further generation.
I assume you have seen the fact that a medal and two bars (Inkerman and Alma) is for sale from Aberdeen Medals with the following notation:
Crimea Medal & 2 clasps 'Alma' & 'Inkermann' (Goodburn Mason, 30th Regt) The naming on the medal is officially impressed. The recipient joined the 30th Foot in 1847 and subsequently died in the Crimea in early 1855. These details confirmed from copies of the respective muster rolls of the period, copies of which will accompany the medal. Condition: Several edge/rim nicks and light surface scratches hence GF
Yours sincerely
Philip Candy
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Hello Philip:
Thank you for the very long reply, and the information contained therein, which I already had gleaned from Ancestry UK over the past 10 days or so.
My gut feeling is that my Goodburn Mason was a relative of WHG Mason, but I have not been able to make a solid connection to prove it beyond a resonable doubt.
The medal, that I own, is the one you describe above, which I purchased from Abredeen, and it is officially impressed, as were all Crimea medals to those who died as the result of wounds or illnesses. Other recipients either had their medals privately engraved or done at the Regiment level, each Regiment having distinct styles.
The web has many sites that list Crimea casualties, either alphabetically of by Regiment, and I cannot find my man listed, even on ship returning to the U.K. Queries on several British medal related forums has brough me no better results.
I have checked the censues for 1841, 1851 & 1861, also with no success. As he enlisted in 1847 and died in 1854-55, he would have missed both the '51 &, of course, the '61 censuses.
I have come to realize over the years that there are many 'holes' in the records, either by submission or omission, and have therefore resigned myself to the fact that I may not be able to go any further with Goodburn Mason.
One other thought has occured to me, and that is that he is related to another mason family, and that the Goodburn was possibly his mother's maiden name.
I have a Queen's Sudan medal to a chap named Hazell. His real name turns out to be Lane, but after being imprisoned for 84 days for false enlistment both the army and he agreed to use the name of Hazell on all futher paperwork and medals.
I sincerely thank you for your time, and appreciate your effort.
Marty
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Good morning :)
I hope that you can help me!!
Desperately seeking JOHN ARRAN, a private 1st of Foot.
I have documentation leading back to his "wife Jane Arran in Pembrokeshire, where in 1871 she is a widow with 3 children, John 1853'sh, Martha 1854'sh and Annie 1868'sh! The death certificate I have of Jane states that she is a widow of a John Arran Private 1st of Foot Regiment.
There are no birth certifictaes for the children , and no marriage certificate for her and John.
I have been in contact with Colonel Mason of the Royal Scots, who was very informative regarding movements of 1st of Foot in Wales in 1853/1854 (they were stationed in Pembrokeshire!).
Also with Kew, but they could not trace John in the 1st Battalion musters of 1852-1854. But I know that they are very exact in their name searches! and maybe Arran was spealt differently!
So, I do hope that you may be able to enlighten me, as to if John served in the Crimea and got injured!!!!
Kinsdest Regards, Lynnette.
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Hi Kevwood
Would mind looking to see if you have a William JONES amongst your Crimean dead? I know it's a bit of a common name and apologies that I have no idea which regiment, if any, he might have been in. Here is what information I have on him:
He was born in Shropshire in 1911, joined the Royal Marines in 1832 and was then invalided out in 1847. He didn't rejoin the Marines as I have checked the Description Books at Kew.
In 1851 he was back in Shropshire with his wife and children, working as a labourer. In 1852 the family was in Hartshill, Warwickshire, and when his daughter was baptised his occupation was soldier. After that he just disappears. His wife's next child (1856) has no father's name on the birth certificate
I can't find a death registration or burial for him in Warwickshire and in 1857 his wife married again. As the Crimean War co-incides quite nicely with when he did his disappearing act I am just wondering if that is where he went.
Many thanks,
Diana
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Hi
Lynette - Have searched everything i have and can find no trace of a John Arran, or any remotely similar name im afraid.
Diana- Strangely i live about 8 miles from Hartshill, have you tried death register for Hinckley in Leicestershire, Hartshill is pretty much on the county border.
Lots of William Jones:
Jones W Private 4729 23rd Foot (Royal Welsh Fusiliers) Slight Wound Final Attack on the Redan 08 September 1855
Jones W Private 3948 7th Foot (Royal Fusiliers) Slight Wound Final Attack on the Redan 08 September 1855
Jones W Private 3484 90th Foot (Perthshire Volunteers) Severe Wound Final Attack on the Redan 08 September 1855
Jones William Private 19th Foot (1st Yorkshire North Riding) Wounded Battle at the River Alma 20 September 1854
Jones William Private 3860 20th Foot (East Devonshire) Wounded Second Battle of Inkermann 05 November 1854
Jones William Private 4748 23rd Foot (Royal Welsh Fusiliers) Killed in Action Final Attack on the Redan 08 September 1855
Jones William Private 3224 34th Foot (Cumberland) Died Sebastopol 17 February 1855 b. Bath Easton, Bath, a cooper. Enlisted 25 February 1852 aged 17 & 11m, Father S. Jones of Bath.
Jones William Private 3449 34th Foot (Cumberland) Severe Wound 1st Attack on the Redan 18 June 1855 See Mutiny Medal Roll
Jones William Private 3921 38th Foot (1st Staffordshire) Severe Wound 1st Attack on the Redan 18 June 1855
Jones William Private 4th Light Dragoons (Queen's Own) Slight Wound Action at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Jones William Private 3846 56th Foot (West Essex) Danger Wound Minor actions at Sebastopol 04 September 1855
Jones William Private 3500 77th Foot (East Middlesex) Missing in Action Final Attack on the Redan 08 September 1855
Jones William Private 95th Foot (Derbyshire) Wounded Battle at the River Alma 20 September 1854
Jones William Sergeant 3141 Coldstream Guards Died Turkey 13 August 1854 b. Hempstead, Norfolk, a labourer, enlisted 09 January 1846
Jones William Able Seaman H.M.S. Queen Severe Wound Naval Brigade Ashore 12 April 1855
Jones William Sailmaker's Mate H.M.S. Wasp Slight Wound Naval Brigade Ashore 09 April 1855
Kev.
PS just to point out that the site that is linked on the previous page is not mine, its just a fantastic site that i know of.
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Hi Kevwood
Many thanks for your prompt reply. That certainly gives me a fair few names to follow up! I will look into Hinckley as well. I hadn't thought about the death being registered there although I do have a couple of missing marriages that I have posted queries about on the Leicester boards. No luck, so far.
Regards,
Diana
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Hi again, had a look and there are deaths listed at Atherstone for William Jones in 4th qrtr 1854(6d 219) and 3rd qrtr 1856(6d 16), they are real possibilities its only a couple of miles from Hartshill
Kev. ;D
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Hi Kev,
Its great work you are doing.
Could I please check your records for a John Neeson. He served with the 64th Regiment of Foot
(2nd Staffordshire). He was stationed in India from 1848 until 1861 so I believe he could have taken part in the Indian Mutiny.
Thanks so much for your help,
best regards Rob
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Could you look up my GGGfather
Michael Dodd 87th Regiment of Foot (Irish Fusileurs) b~ 1811
I have found him on the medal list for the Indian Mutiny on fibis and on the 1861 census as a Chelsea Pensioner. So the chances are that he was injured out of the army in this campaign. He was listed as a Colour Sergeant on the 1851 Census. I could find the casualty list for the Crimea, but not for the Indian Mutiny?
Many Thanks
CoxDodd
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Do you have anything for a John Hoban who was serving at that time? No idea which regiment - all I have is the name. Many thanks. Valerie
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Hi. I am looking for Pte Thomas Shore I think killed in the Charge of the Heavy Brigade, Crimea Balaklava.
Thank you,
Ted
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Hi all, no look-ups for about a month im afraid as i am in the middle of moving house and things are packed away, I will also have no internet access until the middle of March, as soon as it is sorted I will do them for you all.
In the meantime please try Kevin Asplins site that I have linked to on previous pages.
Kev.
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looking for info on a Walter Lewis who died July 1814 buried in India, was DRum Major of the 89th Regiment
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Hi Kev,
Looking at your previous posts, you're a total mine of information!
I've discovered a Crimean war letter among my grandmother's effects. It's written by one John Sewell, Reg No 2820, H Company, 46th Regiment, ''Before Sebastopol, 16th December 1854''. ''It's rumoured that we are to have an affair with the Russians on the 20th.''
Just wondering if he came through it OK.
Hope the house move went well - it can be the most traumatic experience of one's life!!
Many Thanks,
H.
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Hi there
could i possibly take you up on your offer. I m not sure that my g.grandfather was involved in the Crimea but i remember my Nan saying her dad was in the Crimea and Indian Mutiny ( and poss Boer wars!) mmm not sure but his name was Lewin henry Bleek otherwise know as henry Craven (long story) the name changes around alot. Would you be so kind to have look
many thanks
babsjane :)
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Hi Kev,
Ref the above but one...
I've since been in touch with the 46th Regiment (Duke of Cornwall's LI) Museum in Bodmin, and their records show that John Sewell died of dysentery at Sebastopol 45 days after he wrote his letter. Sobering stuff.
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Hi Kev, sorry but I'm very new to this. I'm looking for my 3rd Great Grandfather. From his sons first marriage certificate it states that he was a Private in the 71 Regiment (deceased). Can you please tell me if he appears on the Crimean casualty list. The only information that I have is his name, Thomas Kilgour. I know this is very scant information and I appreciate that it might not be enough.
Many thanks.
Derek
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Hello Kev, would you mind checking if my great, great grandafather – George Fogden of the 90th Regiment of Foot – was wounded in the Crimea? And also his brother Thomas – I have no idea of his regiment but I believe he served in both the Crimea and the Indian Mutiny. Thankyou for any information you can provide.
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Hi
I have just found this web site and wonder if you could help me regarding a William Purdey who was a gt x2 granduncle of mine. I know he was born in Barton, Lincolnshire but moved over the Humber to Hull where he was a chain maker by profession. He married Rebecca harrison and the next I have is that he died in June 1857 in Hull, from "wounds sustained at Inkerman" (Meadleys Hull Times Index). I have no further information as to what regiment etc . Can you work any magic I wonder.
Thanks
JaneM46
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I don't know if you can help ... I have a Turkish War medal 1855, a Crimea War medal 1854 with clasps for Sebastapol, Inkerman and Alma, and an India Medal (1857-1858)
I also have a photo of my great great grandfather (not in uniform) wearing the medals.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,387491.0.html
The only info I have on him is that in the 1851 Census he was at Hulme Barracks as a private soldier and was aged about 20. He was listed as "Charles MATTHEWS"
In an earlier census he was called "Nathan MATTHEWS" and when he migrated to Australia in 1871, he was named "Nathaniel Charles MATTHEWS" and was married to Mary Ann POTTER.
I don't know if he was wounded (he obviously wasn't killed), and I am trying to find out anything I can about his military service.
Thankyou
dustfarmer
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Hi Kev
I would like a look up for Wilfred Holden Born 1884.
Married a Florence Cartwright in January 1915.
Believed to have been killed at Gallipoli September 1915.
Maybe was L/Corporal in Household Cavalry of the Line.
Regards
Henery
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Hi there Kev,
Think this is brilliant!! I've stumbled across this forum while searching for my great grandmother's brother who I now find died in the Crimea. If you have anything on him I would be most grateful. His name is Gideon Petilla, from York. He was a private in the 2nd Rifle Brigade (60th regiment). I've been told by the National Army Museum that he most likely died from disease. He was about 21. I hope he is there. Fingers crossed!
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Hi Kev,
I have a Turkish Crimea medal inscribed with "2191 THOMAS BATTLE RIFLE BRIGADE".
I know he was a Private in the 2nd Battalion & was severely wounded on 12th April 1855 at Sebastopol, Gazetted 24th April 1855.
Any other info you may be able to turn up for him would be very much appreciated.
Cheers,
Bill
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Hello Kev,
Thank you for your kind offer.
I am looking for information on Morville William Wraxall who served as an enlisted man in the 23rd Royal Regiment of Foot during the Indian Mutiny. Bibliographic records of him from 40 years later suggest that he was seriously wounded at Lucknow is this true and when did he join and leave the regiment?
There is little doubt he was there around that time, he married out there in 1860 and his first son was born in Lucknow in 1862 and his first daugther in Agar in 1865.
Some years after returning to England he became the District Organising Agent of the Western Temperance League and went around the country giving lectures which included "Personal reminiscences of the Indian Mutiny" in which he recounted stories, and sang songs.
In 1891 he was in Australia and earned a living by giving this lecture as a popular entertainment show which also included pictures "Oxy-Hydrogen Lime-light scenes".
In 1882 he became Sir Morville William Wraxall 5th Bt. as his two elder brothers and titled uncle died childless.
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Regarding John Collier of Cambridge, I wonder whether his wound became infected and he died of blood poisoning?
Regarding the Indian Mutiny I believe 2 brothers named Luffman were involved, did they both survive, I am told there is a doubt that one of them ever existed.
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Hi Kev,
Bit of a problem here, am searching for my gt.gt.uncle Thomas Edwards b 1836 Stretton under Fosse, Warwickshire. Family legend has it that he may have fought in the Crimea and Indian Mutiny, his brother Jesse went to the USA and fought in the American Civil War in 1861, he was 10 years Thomas' junior b 1846 (I have documented evidence of this). Thomas appears on the 1911 UK census as an army pensioner, I think he would have been a bit old for the Boer War. He appears again on the 1871 census 6 years before he got married in 1876. Would you have any information on any Thomas Edwards - if he did fight in these wars he survived !!
Any help would be gratefully received.
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Hi
Can I take up your kind offer of looking up casualty list for indian mutiny - I am looking for Joseph Booth who served with the 34th Regiment of Foot and was blinded in about 1860 in India - if you can supply me with further info I would be grateful. Thank you.
This is my first posting so if I have got protocol wrong - my apologies
Susan
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Hi Kev,
Am complete beginner at this so hope I'm doing this correctly. Would be very grateful if you could look up Charles Glasgow, 42nd Foot, Indian Mutiny when convenient, unfortunately have no other info on him but assured he was there. Many thanks, Caro :)
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I understand that the 2 Luffmans I mentioned above were involved in the defence of a school in the mutiny and feature on a memorial to the mutiny. Does anyone know anything about them please?
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Due to personal circumstances and family illness, Kev is indisposed pro tempora.
I'll will lock the thread until things get better for him...
Wishing him well.
He also sends his apologies for not answering of late