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I am trying to get information on Samual J Cox, my wifes g Grandfather but I have made little head way. I know he married a Caroline Elizabeth and had at least 1 daughter called Carrie born 1 November in Wycombe. They were married about 1878
The 1881 census does not give a Samual Cox living in Wycombe but does show a Joseph J Cox married to a Caroline and with a child named Carrie. I assume that this is the same person but I cannot be certain . I believe also , but again I am not certain, that Samual was born in 1859 in Great Marlow. He moved to London prior to 1883
If anybody can provide any more information from censuses etc I would be very grateful
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Re 1881: He's Samuel J on the image :D
Having a look for other census returns.
Tanja :)
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1891
RG12/31 58 21
Kensington
21 Seymour Place
Samuel Joseph Cox, Head, 34, Greengrocer, b. Bucks Gt Marlow
Caroline Elizabeth, wife, 34, b. do.
Carrie, dau, 11, scholar, b. do.
William Frederick, son, 8, scholar, b. London Earls Court
Isabel, dau, 10, scholar, b. Brompton
Alfred, son, 4, b. Chelsea
Harry Joseph, son, 2, b. do
Alfred Ernest, son, 9ms, b. do.
Tanja :)
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:D Hey Wrinkly,
You got your posting to work, with some great info from Tanja.
Well done. ;D
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1901
Rg13/15 137 33
Paddington, London
6 Gloucester Mews
(3 rooms occupied)
Samuel cox, head, 40, Carman, b. Gt Marlow Bucks
Caroline, wife, 44, b. do.
William, son, 18, Greengrocer, b. Brompton
Alfred, son, 14, Errand Boy, b. Chelsea
Harry, son, 12, b. do.
Nellie, dau, 9, b. Kensington
Ernest, son, 6, b. Chelsea
Percy, son, 4, b. Fulham
Tanja :)
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>:( Can't find any match for Samuel J before 1881!
Hope somebody else can spot him.
Very sorry!
Tanja :)
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Hello again Tanja,
Your latest reply here makes me think along the same lines as my Cox family, from the same area too!!
If I didn't have a the Ewell link to Essex, then I would think we were looking for the same line. ??? There's even a Fred :o
I do hope Wrinkly gets to view this info you've posted. :-\
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;) Ok, found this marriage on FreeBMD. site.
Cox, Caroline Elizabeth. St Geo H Sq
Cox, Samuel Joseph. St Geo H Sq
Sept Q 1879. Volume 1a, page 738.
That will get you a marriage certificate.
Let us know the outcome. :D
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Great find, Lesanne! 8) 8) 8)
And they were both Cox's too!! :o :o
I think I spotted Caroline Elizabeth on an earlier census. I'll be back!
Tanja :)
And of course Wrinkly will see this :P
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1861
RG9/858 82 4
Marlow, Buckinghamshire
West Street
William Cox, head, 26, Well sinker & Carpenter, b. Marlow
Caroline, wife, 24, Shoe binder, b. do.
Caroline Elizabeth, dau, 4, scholar, b. do.
Sarah Ann, dau, 1, b. do.
James F, son, 3ms, b. do.
Tanja :)
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:o :o If this William goes on to have a Frederick in 1869/70 ::) ??? ::)
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Well, Lesanne - NO!!! ;D
1871
RG10/1405 87 13
Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire
Oxford Terrace
William Cox, head, 36, Carpenter, b. Marlow
Caroline, wife, 34, Embroideress, b. do.
Caroline E, dau, 14, scholar, b. do.
Sarah A, dau, 11, scholar, b. do.
James F, son, 10, scholar, b. do.
Mary A, dau, 8, scholar, b. do.
Ellen J, dau, 5, scholar, b. do.
Alice L, dau, 3, scholar, b. do.
Rhoda, dau, 1, b. do.
Tanja :)
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... 1881 has 2 new children: Edith E and Francis K
Tanja :)
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:D ;D :D Thank goodness, I can stick to my William Cox from Essex,
after all your help on the Cox family/ies.
Well, Tanja, and Wrinkly if you ever come across Margaret Howe with a Frederick Cox around 1892, give me a shout.........
;D ;D ;D
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Will keep an eye open... ;)
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Thanks to all who responded. Did not expect it so quick and have been caught with my trousers down as I cannot read messages or respond until next tuesday.In the meantime please keep the comments coming and i will reply individually next week.
Have a good one
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Marriage cert finally arrived. Information as follows.
Married St Peters Church Eaton Sq.
Both Samuel and Caroline of full age and living in Gillingham Street
Samuels occupation- Waiter.
Samuel's father-Samuel Cox- Valet
Caroline's father-William Cox-Wheelwright
Witnesses- S B(R)owen
H Challis.
If any body cane give me any fresh info I would be grateful. Thanks again to Tati and Lesanne.
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:) Was there anything particular you are looking for ?
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Considering Samuel Cox is missing on the 1861 and 1871 censuses this family might be worth having a look at.
1861 census RG9 858 folio 40
Spittal Street Great Marlow Buckinghamshire
James Cox 57 Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, Head Married Farmer
Ann Cox 64 Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Wife Married
Joseph Cox 31 Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Son Farmer's son
Sophia Harris 26 Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Daughter Married
Anne East 13 Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Granddaughter
James East 11 Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Nephew
Samuel Harris 1 Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Grandson
Jemima Pobjoy 27 Henley, Oxfordshire, Visitor Unmarried
1871 census RG10 1405 folio 54
Bear Lodging House Chapel Street Great Marlow Buckinghamshire
Sophia Harris 38 Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Casual Lodger Married Needle woman
Samuel Harris 10 Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Casual Lodger
Matilda Harris 7 Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Casual Lodger
Nothing for Samuel after 1871.
Regards
Valda
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::)
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Posted a reply yesterday but looks like a messed it up as all there is is a smiley.
Lessanne Thanks for offer of more help. Please read my reply to Valda
Valda. You may have give me a lucky break.
I am doing this research for my mother in law who was a COX. She remembers tales that her surname should not be Cox but in fact Harris.There is no sign of a Mr Harris in your post so it is possible he died or left. Samuel then adopted the name COX
My lucky break seems to have stopped as I looked for a birth cert for Sam Cox or Harris 1858-60, but neither BMD or 1837 showed anything. I did get a reference for Sophia Cox marring a Daniel Harris in Eton 3a 527 Dec 1852. Eton is in Buckinghamshire.
I believe it would be highly unlikely that any name change would have been recorded.
I am now at a lose as to where to go except to try a post under the Harris name . Would a look up of Sophia 1841 and1851 give me any more clues?.
Any help advise gratefully accepted.
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TATI
Marriage cert gave Caroline's father as William Cox, Wheelwright which does seem to tie in with your 1861/71 find. I will persue
Thanks
Thinking more about the Harris route. Samuel gave his father as Samuel Cox on marriage cert. Could he have lied or is the Harris route wishful thinking as I do like finding skeletons
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Wrinkly - my number one advice as far as family history is concerned: always trust Valda.
She didn't even know about the Harris bit and now you confirm your mother in law knew about it.
I don't think Sophia would have said she's married in both 1861 and 1871 if her husband was dead. I'd rather think he deserted Sophia (or she deserted him). I can see only one Daniel Harris in Buckinghamshire in 1851 and 1861 - not sur it's him (birthplace Coleshill ca. 1827). He's married to an Elizabeth by 1861, with children born from 1853 on, living in Amersham.
Unfortunately, little Matilda seems to die in December 1872.
Why not order the marriage cert to check if Sophia's father matches?
Tanja :)
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HO 107 1719 folio 435
Great Marlow Buckinghamshire
Joseph East 69 Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Head Married Gardener
Ann East 67 Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Wife Married
William East 31 Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Son Unmarried Gardener
James East abt 1827 Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Son Unmarried Gardener
Ann Tubb 26 Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Daughter Widow
William Tubb 4 Medmenham, Buckinghamshire, Grandson
Frederick Tubb 10 mths Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Grandson
Sophia Cox 17 Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Granddaughter Satin Stitch worker
HO107 1719 folio 453
Spittal Street Great Marlow Buckinghamshire
James Cox 44 Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, Head Married Married Farmer of 35 acres employing 3 labourers
Ann Cox 54 Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Wife Married
Considering the age of Sophia's parents the grandparents don't seem quite old enough?
Presuming Sophia did actually get married, Samuel if he never knew his father may have got his name wrong on his marriage, thinking he had the same first name as his own (that doesn't mean I think the Eton marriage is correct - there are two Harrises marrying there and the odds are it is to each other).
Sophia's father James was a farmer. He may have left a will on his death so that might be worth checking for. James had remarried by the time of the 1871 census and seemingly again by the 1881 census. This I think is his death registration
James Cox 80 March Quarter 1886 Wycombe volume 3a page 444
Matilda Harris the other child I think may have died young (but be very careful - Harris is such a common surname)
HARRIS, Matilda Death aged 9 December Quarter 1872 Wycombe Volume 3a page 299
Great Marlow parish registers are not on the IGI so it may very well be worth checking them as the children may have been baptised but not had their births registered.
In the end this family may prove a blind alley, but at present it is the only blind alley you have and with the intriguing family memory about the surname Harris it seems worth exploring if only to eventually eliminate them.
Regards
Valda
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Just got back from taking MIL home . Once again you both have given me food for thought. I was going to send off for the marriage cert. unless either of you advised me otherwise. Just printing of the posts so that I can study them.Hope then to respond again.
ps My sister in law has developed an interest and is coming tomorrow. One day i will be able to get on with my tree.
Thanks again Take care.
G
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Why would Sophia marry out of her own parish in Eton district?
If you access the parish registers for Great Marlow you should find Sophia's baptism which will also tell you whether her name was Sophia Elizabeth and may be other information besides such as Samuel's baptism and therefore his father's name. With that information you could make a decision about getting the 1852 marriage or not.
If you can't get to Buckinghamshire Record Office then I suggest you request a search of the parish registers. That will cost money (you could ask Buckinghamshire Family History Society whether they could suggest someone because that would be cheaper than an archivist from the record office checking the registers) but perhaps in the end it will save you the £7 cost of the marriage certificate if the parish registers prove you would have been wasting your money!
Regards
Valda
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Thanks again. I can get to the parish registers and will do so when I get a chance which hopefully will be April as March is out.
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Valda.
I agree that Eton is out of place but it is the only lead I have and I will check when I visit Wycombe area.
I also agree about ages but my limited experience suggests that women have lied about their ages for centuries! ;D
The coincidences of the Easts and Coxes being on both censuses still give me hope on that line (together with thoughts of finding skeletons.)
Assuming that James Cox is the right one , would it be possible to post me the entries
you found out about him (remarrying)
Also if you or Tati can provide anything on Carolines father William that would be appreciated.
Thanks again for all your help (including Lesanne). From being at a dead end a few weeks ago , I have moved forward a giant step.
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1881 is free to look up at www.familysearch.org or www.ancestry.co.uk
1891
RG12/1140 84 11
Great Marlow Oxford Rd
William Cox, head, 56, Carpenter, b. Marlow
Caroline, wife, 54, Embroideress, b. do.
Charles Samuel, Grandson, 10, scholar, b. London Kensington
Tanja :)
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Possible match in 1851
HO107/1719 413 55
Great Marlow
Chapel Street
Thomas Cox, lodger, m, 48, Well digger, b. High Wycombe
William Cox, lodger, 16, b. Great Marlow
in the household of Charles Haines, Shoemaker
Tanja :)
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Greet. Thanks
G
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The first thing to know by the way (and an archivist at The National Archives confirmed this in a talk at a conference I was present at) that historically at least it isn't women who fabricated their ages it was men. I've no axe to grind on this point, but from extensive research in various records this is what I've found. I have no idea whether the same is true in more modern times and women and the movement of their ages is a modern urban myth or factually correct. I can only tell you what I've found in historical records and it isn't from limited experience, and it is evidence based.
1871 census RG10 1405 folio 48
Prospect House Great Marlow Buckinghamshire
James Cox 64 Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, Head Married Farmer
Sarah Cox 54 or 6 Betton, Gloucestershire, Wife Married
plus one servant
1881 census RG11 1466 folio 32
St Peters St, Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire
James Cox 75 High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, Head Married Farmer
Caroline Cox 56 Gt Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Wife Married Farmer's wife
Mary J. Cox 14 Gt Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Daughter Servant D S
Plus one servant
Regards
Valda
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Sorry about the slur but it was posted with tongue in cheek as my wife's GGM was married three times. We have the wedding certs and her DOB varies by 10 years.
Thanks for rest of information.
Have a good night
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;DJust to let you both know everybodies work was not in vain and I am still moving forward albeit slowly. I thought i would post where i am just in case it proves helpful.
I, and the excellent staff at Bucks Record Officehave spent a lot of time trying to chase Samuel Cox or Harris. A family bible we traced gave his date of birth as 11 June 1859 (7) and that of his wife Caroline as 25 February 1857. We found Carolines data and her father was William Cox, and his wife was Caroline. Try as we could both in parish records and PRO, we could find nothing on Samuel. We will try non comformists next.
We worked on the assumption that Samuel Cox was indeed Samuel Harris and followed this up. Sophia Cox did indeed marry Daniel Harris by banns in Eaton in 1852. No ages or addresses are given. Sophia's fathers name was James which ties in with the census data. Daniels father was Ralph Harris ( Labourer)
We have not chased up Sophia yet and the limited search on Daniel has not shown up anything except possibly a coincidence.The family group records show a Daniel Harris christened in Aug 1825 and fathers name Ralph. Mothers name Amelia. Unfortunately as we can not find him on a census we have no indication of our Daniels age. The interesting thing was that this christening took place at Maidenhead Independent-Nc.
We cannot find out any thing about this place or what Nc stands for . If anybody can help it would be appreciated. It could be that he also had his son christened in a non conformance church so we will press on searching at the records office. If anybody has any other ideas as to how i can progress ,the advise would be welcome. If say, that Daniel was in prison would there be records around?
Once again , thanks to the two of you
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Hi Wrinkly,
This looks like the family of Ralph and Amelia in 1841:
HO107/11/6 4 3
Hurley, Berkshire
Burchess Green
Ralph Harris, 50, Ind, born out of county
Amelia, 40, not born in county
Amelia, 13, yes
Sarah Ann, 10, yes
Samuel, 5, yes
The IGI has the following births to this couple, All at the above church:
JOHN HUMPHREY HARRIS Christening: 19 MAR 1819
DANIEL WILLIAM HARRIS Christening: 10 MAR 1822
AMELIA HARRIS Christening: 15 FEB 1824
DANIEL HARRIS Christening: AUG 1825
SARAH HARRIS Christening: 18 MAR 1827
WILLIAM HARRIS Christening: 05 OCT 1828
SARAH ANN HARRIS Christening: 15 NOV 1829
SAMUEL HARRIS Christening: 23 OCT 1831
MARY HARRIS Christening: 28 JUL 1833
Whether this is the family of the Daniel who marries Sophia Cox, I don't know...
Checking the 1861 census, I see Ralph is living guess where :D in Marlow Buckinghamshire (birthplace Little Marlow)
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Look at this 8)
1851
HO107/1790 365 18
Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire
Ralph Harris, head, 60, Cabinet (retired) Maker, b, Bucks Marlow
A, wife, 53, b. do.
D, son, 24, Baker, b. Berks Maidenhead
W, son, 23, Tailor, b. do.
S?, dau, 21, b. do.
Was Daniel a baker on the marriage cert?
Edit: Just spotted him in 1841 at Great Marlow: Daniel Harris, 15, Baker app, not born in county
Can't see him after 1851 however :-\
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Daniel may or may not be the father of Samuel - you have to consider the possibility. Samuel does not name his father as Daniel on marriage, but that might be just because he never knew him so did not know his name, or because he wasn't Samuel's actual father, because for instance he had died at an earlier date. You will need to look at least from the marriage until the 1861 census for possible deaths for Daniel Harris - not an easy task (and ultimately may be just frustrating) to see if he dies as opposed to just leaves the marriage - as in left the country or changed his name because he isn't showing on the 1871 census either.
FreeBMD will give you some candidates for Daniel Harris deaths - none at first sight look likely (and of course this early no ages at death) but does not have complete coverage for the period. FreeBMD has coverage charts to show you which quarters and years it covers completely.
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/progress.shtml
for the quarters with out complete coverage you can check for yourself the GRO index for free at Ancestry
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx
If nothing further comes of that I would try wills both in the Cox and Harris family but particularly the Harris family just in case Ralph left one.
Deaths Mar 1872
HARRIS Ralph 82 Wycombe 3a 326
http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/wills.htm
Maidenhead Independent (ask Berkshire Record Office for further details) will be a non-conformist church (NC) of some sort. Independent is usually something like Congregationalists (Now the United Reform Church), but I suspect in this case it may be Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion.
http://berkshirerecordoffice.org.uk/collections/summary/pdfs/dn34.pdf
http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/beyond/factsheets/makhist/makhist7_prog5d.shtml
Regards
Valda
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Thanks once again for your help. I think you struck lucky for me again. I looked at Daniels marriage cert under a microscope and found out that Daniel was a butcher and that Ralph was a cabinet maker ( not labourer sorry) It would seem therefore that we have Daniel and Ralph in 1841 and 1851.
Tatti- you spotted Daniel in Marlow in 1841. Was Ralph with him as you have identified a possible Ralph Harris in 1841 in Burchess Green?The number of people living with Ralph in Burchess Green in 1841 looks small compared with the list from IGI also Samuels age does not match. You also mentioned that you had Ralph on 1861 census. Could you please let me have the details together with those for Daniel in 1841
Valda-. Should I put much credence on Sophia Harris saying she was married on all of her census returns. Would she not put widow if Daniel was dead?
Once again thank you both for your help and I will use the information on my next visit. In the meantime any further thoughts you may have,I would be pleased to receive them.
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Wrinkly - I gave you the complete 1841 census details for Ralph above ;)
Daniel was away from home. Perhaps also all children didn't survive...
Are you sure it didn't say 'baker' instead of 'butcher' for Daniel? :-\
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::)Sorry, another senior moment. You were correct it said baker
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;D Sorry i seem to have confused you. I did see 1841 census return for Ralph but asked if you could let me have the ones you mentioned for Daniel 1841 and the 1861 census for Ralph
As you say, the children may have died and I will do some searching .
Thanks
Wrinkly
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1841
HO107/53/4 4 3
Great Marlow
High Street
William Newell, 20, Baker, yes
Joseph Newell, 22, J Saddler, yes
Daniel Harris, 15, App Baker, no
1861
RG9/858 98 36
Marlow, Buckinghamshire
West E? S? Gardens
Alfred Corby, head, 29, Brick maker, b. Marlow
Sarah Ann, wife, 31, b. do.
Hannah Maria, dau, 6, scholar, b. do.
Mary Jane, dau, 6, scholar, b. do. (The 2 girls are bracketted as twins)
Ralph Thomas, son, 4, scholar, b. do.
John William, son, 1, b. do.
Ralph Harris, father in law, wid, 70, Cabinet Maker, b. Little Marlow
Tanja :)
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;D This becomes interesting and more interesting. Daniel marriage was whitnessed by Alfred Corby and Sarah Ann Harris.
W
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1871 census RG10 1405 folio 81
The Gardens Great Marlow Buckinghamshire
Ralph Harris 82 Little Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Head Widower Deaf
Marriage Sept 1853
Alfred Corby Wycombe vol 3a page 338
not fully indexed by FreeBMD but there dosen't seem to be a corresponding entry for Sarah Ann, or Sarah or Ann Harris.
The Corbys were in Berkhamstead on the 1871 census with two Harris visitors John aged 50 born Maidenhead and his 50 year old wife Eliza born Marlow.
Sophia's status on censuses is only as good as any other evidence which proves or disproves it and so far neither the 1861 or 1871 census produces any evidence that proves it i.e. Daniel himself.
You can find on censuses widows (the same is not true of widowers) who state they are married years after their husbands have died (I even have a case of a woman who gave the full details of her husband as head of household, even though he had been dead over a year - my most exceptional case). So what Sophia says about her status isn't unfortunately proof that Daniel was still alive - he might be (she might not even know herself) or he might not. It means you can't close down your options - your last actual sighting of him was on his marriage.
Regards
Valda
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December 1852 1b 757
Alfred Corby to possibly Sarah Ann Harris
St Luke, London
Not sure why they would have married in London ??? :-\
A special church they attended, perhaps? Otherwise probably a red herring.
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:) Thanks again for your helpful replies. I must not however get carried and loose sight of Samuel Cox also. It would be nice to get more evidence about the tie up between Cox and Harris ( indeed if there is one. I grilled mother in law but could not get any fresh insights)) so I shall revisit the records centre and look at non conformists . However whilst doing so I can now do other searches in parallel now that I have got all this fresh info from you both.Meanwhile, thanks again
Wrinkly
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:-\ I have not been able to get to records office but i have been following up your various leads. I came across one interesting find . I was rereading Valda's comments and trying to rationalize the information I had. Maybe what we had was true and the Harris name had sent me off in the wrong direction and Valda's remark that Daniel Harris may have provided the name but he was not the father could be true. The father was in fact a Samuel Cox. Samuel the younger had eventually been told that he was not really a Harris but had been born out of wedlock and his father was Samuel Cox. When he married he therefore reverted to his correct surname.
I started searching Samuel Cox again and came up with a 1881 census entry I had not seen before. The head was a Samuel Cox born in Gt Marlow about 1823. He was living at 2 Elms Place Aldershot in 1881. He was married to a Rebecca and had children . The census however gave their surnames as Cocks with Cox after in brackets. The fact however that caught my eye was that Samuel Cox was a baker the same as Daniel Harris and that they were both of a similar age. Do you think this is too far fetch or a stroke of luck. If you think it may be a possibility could either of you please do some look ups for me. I would be most grateful.
Thanks in anticipation
Wrinkly
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There is no proof Daniel was Samuel's father (or indeed he wasn't Samuel's father). If Samuel's mother was no longer living with Daniel for whatever reason and she had a relationship with someone else of whatever length, Samuel could be the product of that relationship (a valet passing through the area, met while both were working as servants)?
If Samuel wasn't a Harris (though legally that was his mother's name so would be his) he reverted to his mother's family's surname. Or if Daniel was his father he rejected any association with the Harris surname for whatever reason. There is no evidence Samuel's father's surname was Cox, and there is no evidence his father's name was Samuel - other than the marriage certificate (and marriage certificates are one of the most fabricated records there are, and should never be trusted without further evidence to back them up).
On Samuel's marriage he would want to appear legitimately born, so his father's surname would have to be the same as his own to dispense with any awkward questions or assumptions. Samuel might have been his father's name or he might have just put his own name for convenience. If he was rejecting any association with Daniel Harris he wouldn't want him named.
If Samuel was in fact his father's name he could have any surname, Samuel Smith, Brown, etc etc. There is no evidence as yet and that would be evidence at the time of Samuel's birth (bastardy order - quarter sessions records - where maintenance was claimed) that Samuel's father's surname was Cox, or any other surname other than Harris.
Samuel Cocks (1851,1861 and 1871 census spelling - 1841 census spelling Cock) was in Surrey on the 1851 and 1861 censuses and Aldershot Hampshire in 1871. His first child was born in Berkshire circa 1847 by the birth of his third child circa 1850 he was in Surrey. He was a grocer in 1851, a baker and beer house keeper in 1861 and a baker in 1871. He was an apprentice grocer in Great Marlow in 1841 but appears to have left Marlow permanently after his marriage in 1846.
Marriages Mar 1846
Cocks Samuel Wycombe 6 529
Flint Rebecca Wycombe 6 529
He died in the Aldershot area in 1897
Deaths Mar 1897
Cocks Samuel Charles 75 Farnham 2a 68
Samuel actually gave his father's occupation on his marriage as a valet - not a baker like Daniel Harris in 1841 (though people change occupations so it doesn't in itself rule Daniel out).
Regards
Valda
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Thanks for your thoughts. This Samuel Cox was in Surrey when my Samuel was born in Marlow ( He did seem to move around a lot)
Will just have to plough thro the records. Your comment on a bastardy order was particularly useful as I had not come across this beforeThanks again
Wrinkly
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Sorry pictures are so big but thought you might like to see who i am looking for.( Whilst file name says possible ,they have since been confirmed )
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A belated thank you to everyone who contributed to the discussion.
I am tracing my paternal grandmother's line and it brings me to Alice Louisa COX born 1867, daughter of William COX born 1935 and Caroline born 1837.
In case it helps anyone else out, Alice Louisa married Alfred ATTWOOD on 13 Oct 1855 in Greenwich. The witnesses were Sarah COX and Frederick COX.
I am also busy pursuing a family legend that there was gypsy and/or traveller blood in my paternal history. Has anyone researching this particular line of Cox heard of any such rumour, or found any supporting material? (I have already posted to the Travelling People forum of this website).
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A belated thank you to everyone who contributed to the discussion.
I am tracing my paternal grandmother's line and it brings me to Alice Louisa COX born 1867, daughter of William COX born 1935 and Caroline born 1837.
In case it helps anyone else out, Alice Louisa married Alfred ATTWOOD on 13 Oct 1855 in Greenwich. The witnesses were Sarah COX and Frederick COX.
I am also busy pursuing a family legend that there was gypsy and/or traveller blood in my paternal history. Has anyone researching this particular line of Cox heard of any such rumour, or found any supporting material? (I have already posted to the Travelling People forum of this website).
Re William COX born 1935
I think I have found him in the Great Marlow workhouse in the 1841 Census
Aged 6
With Jane COX, aged 30; Sarah COX aged 9, and George Cox aged 5.
HO107/53/9