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Could somebody please look up a Edward Naman on the 1891 and 1901 census please. He would have been born in about 1868 and should be living in Armley, Leeds in 1901.
Thanks
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Hi dickiebould,
I've looked at the indexes for the 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 Censuses for Namans in Yorkshire and none are recorded in the first three of those and just four in 1901, none of which is in Leeds.
Do you have any further information which might assist a look-up i.e. place of birth, other members of family, etc.?
I'll be pleased to have another go if furnished with more ammunition.
Regards,
lancs.fox
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The 1881 census has Edward Naman born in 1868 in Northampton. So he should be 23 / 33 in 1891 / 1901. His father, i believe was a John Naman. Hope that helps. He wasn't in Yorkshire in 1891 as far as i know.
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hello
In 1891 in Ashley Bristol there is an Edward Naman born in 1868 in Northants with wife Rosina. but his father is James and mother Eliza.
I see your Edward in 1881 with father John and mother Constance in London.
As fox says nothing in Yorkshire fits. We need a definite start 1901 then go backwards.
Where did you start your research from.
Regards Oly
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Just from the 1901 census index. My partner's grandmother told me that her father in law was an Edward Naman and as there is one born in the 1890s and living in Armley, which is where i know that he lived, it seemed to fit that i had found the right one in the index.
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Dickiebould,
What we like to see is the whole household from the census.
That way we can see where they have been! In the 1901 census the indication is that they have yet to establish any connection with Yorkshire.
In this case the most likely residence for them in 1891 would be either
London OR Northampton
1901 (subject to another's check of the original)
Edward Naman 33 b Northampton occ: Boot Finisher
Robina/Rosina Naman 31 b Southampton
Edward Naman 12 London Camberwell
Daisy Naman 9 b Northampton
William Naman 7 b Northampton
Albert Naman 5 b Leeds
Frederick Naman 4 b Leeds
Roland Naman 2 b Leeds
Births.
Naman, Rosina Daisy C September Qtr 1891 . Northampton
Marriage.
NAMAN, Edward December qtr 1887 Edmonton
Pearce, Rosina Jane
Pauline
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In 1881 The family would appear to be in London.
Check (& transcribe onto here if you think they are 'right')
Edward Naman 13y, (c1868) born Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire
Pauline
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Hi,
As Oly has said the family in Bristol does not appear to be the one that you are looking for and as Pauline has indicated all the evidence points to the Naman family only arriving in Leeds after the 1891 Census, probably in 1894/95.
But where were they in 1891?
Probably in Northampton, going by the birthplaces of the children.
I have carried out an extensive search, trying possible alternative spellings of the surname, and drawn a blank.
Sorry - but good luck in unravelling the mystery.
Richard
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The births of Albert, Frederick and Roland are listed on YorkshireBMD during the 1890s, in Leeds West and Wortley. There is also a Lily Naman registered in Wortley in 1908.
If you search the same site for Naman marriages between 1915 and 1946, there are loads of them, some at St. Bartholomew's, Armley.
Jon
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Hi dickiebould,
Problem solved as to why neither myself nor Oly could find any Namans in Leeds on the 1901 Census despite Edward being correctly indexed on the Public Record Office website - the service which I use, and presumably Oly too, has the family indexed as 'Kaman'.
I have checked the entries recorded by Pauline at 14.48 today against the original page, which I have now seen, and everything is recorded as set out by her, but there are some additional items that I can add.
The address of the Naman family in 1901 was 36 Cedar Road, Armley, Leeds.
Two of the children have second name initials: Daisy is 'Daisy R.' and William is 'William H'.
Rosina's name is written as 'Robina'.
The reference is: RG13 / 4214 / ED46 / f.12 / p.15.
So what were they indexed as in 1891?
Regards,
Richard
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Thanks for everybody's help - great stuff. Interested to see if anybody can find them in 1891.
Thanks
Rich
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Interested to see if anybody can find them in 1891.
There is always the option of trying for yourself at a family history centre. TRacking the 1881 family may give another clue to location.
These would appear to be close to your profile location...
Leeds
Vesper Road
Hacksworth, West Yorkshire, England
Phone: 113-258-5297
Hours: M 1pm-3pm; T 10am-4pm, 7pm-9pm; W 10am-2pm
Pontefract.
Park Villas Drive, West Yorkshire, England
Phone: 1977-600308
Hours: M, Th 10am-12pm; T, F 9am-1pm; Th 7pm-9pm; F 7pm-9pm by appt. only.
Details taken from www.familysearch.org
Pauline
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Hi Rich,
I'm posting the 1881 Census details for Edward Naman, firstly in case you don't have them and secondly as they may assist anyone else attempting to find the family in 1891.
1881 Census
14 Pedleys Orchard, Mile End Old Town, London
John Harvey Naman - Head - md. - 47 - Shoe Finisher - b. Kent, Greenwich
Constance Naman - w. - md. - 36 - b. Surrey, Walworth
John Harvey Naman - s. - umn. - 14 - b. Middlesex, Hoxton
Edward Naman - s. - unm. - 13 - Scholar - b. Northants., Kingsthorpe
Ernest Naman - s. - unm. - 11 - Scholar - b. Staffordshire, Knebworth (?)
Walter Naman - s. - unm. - 8 - Scholar - b. Northants., Duston
Constance Naman - d. - unm. - 6 -Scholar - b. Northants., Kingsthorpe
Annie Naman - d. - unm. - 5 - b. Northants., Kingsthorpe
Ellen Naman - d. - unm. - 1 - b. Middlesex, Stepney
The reference is: RG11 / 0483 / ED22 / f.15 / p.24
So far, my efforts to locate Edward, his parents or his elder brother in 1891 have not produced any success (I have not had time to seek out the younger siblings) - maybe someone else will have more luck.
Regards,
Richard
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Hi All
I think I have found the family headed by John as in Fox's 1881 post in 1891 indexed as Norman.
RG12/1077 Folio 38 Page 69 - 3 Youngs Cottages, Tottenham
John Namen 55, Boot Finisher, b Greenwich
Contstance 46, b Wandsworth
Walter 19, Boot Finisher, b New Duston, Northants
Annie 16, b Kingsthorpe, Staffs
Eleanor 10, b Stepney, London
Herbert 6, b Stepney, London
Thomas Tracey 18, lodger, Boot Finisher, b Shoreditch
In 1891 Constance Namen 18, b Kingsthorpe is a domestic servant in the household of the Garrett family at 9 The Pavement, West ? Road, Tottenham.
John and Constance are in Enfield in 1901.
1891 - There is John Newman 24, Clerk, b Hoxton London boarding at 66 Mayfield Road, Hackney. Nearest in age and b/place can find.
Hope this helps.
Sheila
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Hi all,
I concur with SheilaM, who has succeeded where others (well me, at least, have failed - well done to her) that this is the bulk of the family in 1891.
When looking at the entry to try to see how I had missed it, I discovered that John and Constance Naman's eldest son on the 1881 Census, John Harvey Naman, was actually living in the same house as his parents in 1891 but is recorded as a separate household. The entry is follows:
1891 Census
3 Youngs Cottages, Tottenham
John H. Naman - Head - md. - 24 - Excavator - b. London, Hoxton
Elizabeth Naman - Wife - md. - 20 - b. London, Greenwich
The ref. is, of course, the same as for John and Constance.
But the mystery remains as to where was Edward. I'll have another scout round.
Oh, for a foolproof indexing system!
Richard
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Hi all
1st time post for me.
Found this thread when doing a general Google search and was very surprised.
There are very few Namans remaining in the UK.
I have the family traced back to North London (my origin). The family was in the boot trade and had a tendency to follow the work around between Edmonton and Northampton. One family (Edward Naman) moved to Leeds. Edward William NAMAN 1868-1955? was my Great Grandfathers brother. I have a huge amount of info on the family dating back to 1741, far too much to post on here.
I would be very keen to exchange information.
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Hi, I know this family very well, I used to visit Roland, who was blinded in the first world war, and Lily Namen in Leeds when I was a child, I have lots of memories and photos of the Namens if anyone is still researching please get in touch. Pete.
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My maternal grandmother was Elizabeth Daisy Naman, her parents were John Harvey Naman and Sarah Salmon. I would love to get in contact with members of our massive family. Here's hoping.
Jane
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Nogbat 1 you mentioned Roland, he was my 1st cousin 2x removed. I would love to pick your brains about him and other membes of the family
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Hi JaneSavi,
Great to hear from you. My step grandma was born Rosina Daisy Naman and she was the sister of Roland.
I will post a proper reply tomorrow.
Best wishes,
Pete.
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Hi Pete
Thanks so much for replying. I am over the moon to hear from you. Rosina and Roland were my 1st cousins x2 removed
Jane :)
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Sorry I had already mentioned their relationship to me :D
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Hi again Jane !,
My step grandma Rosina (known as Daisy in the family) married firstly Edward Pearce in 1915 then my grandad William Rogers in 1943.
Rosina's dad was Edward William Naman who was in the shoe/boot trade as I think a lot of the family were back then and I think Edwards brother was your John Harvey Naman- do you think that's right ?.
It seems that John and Edwards father was another John Harvey Naman who according to the census was born in Greenwich. I've been having a bit of a job trying to work him out as he married twice and names his father as Henry Harvey, Gentleman on one entry and his mother as Ellen Naman on the other.
That's pretty much where I am stuck at the moment, maybe you have managed to get further back ?.
Anyway, I have quite a few nice bits and bobs that have been handed down through the family including a couple of photos of Edward, your John Harvey Naman's brother as well as photos of Rosina, Lily and Roland.
I remember Lily and Roland from when I was young, Roland was blinded in ww1 but became a Publican with his wife !, he also met King George vi and sang in choirs so he didn't let his disability hold him back.
It's great to find someone else interested in the family history as neither Roland or Lily have any surviving children so there don't seem to be many Naman's around, unless you know different !!.......
All the best,
Pete Rogers.
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Thanks Pete
Have emailed you
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Any chance you can delete the e mail address before someone starts sending unwanted messages to you. (spam)