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My father and grandparents lived in Dublin,but I can find no records of them, even though I have addresses etc.
It is possible that they moved to Dublin and settled.
Although the name and its variants, are quite common in Ireland, there is no indication as to where they originated, and where one should look for them.
My family name is Dobbins.My grandfather was Peter Dobbins and my grandmother was Margaret Cullen. Both were born between 1885 and 1897.
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Hei jard,
I looked here http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php and feel your theory about the Dobbins moving into Dublin may be right. There was one Dobbins in Dublin in 1848-51 when Griffiths Valuation of Ireland was conducted in the county. The head of the household was Jas. Dobbins of Merrion House, Merrion Avenue, Booterstown, Dublin which is on the south side of the City. This next site http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm allows you to cross check the surnames Cullen and Dobbins. These two surnames were found in the same parish in two counties only - Dublin and Sligo. I hope this is of some assistance
All the Best,
Christopher
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Thanks Christopher
I've had a look at the info on the sites. I'm surprised that there are so few Dobbins' listed. In the later 1890's , my grandparents and their parents were resident in Dublin, and the family claim to have been there for a few generations. Obviously not !!
I am told that many of the poorer families were not named during census or registration counts, but merely recorded as 'inhabitants or residents'. I have found this when looking through census material.
Although I have my fathers birth cert, I'm having real problems tracing my grandfather and his family. I'm hoping that someone else comes across them Thanks again
Jard
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Hello Jard,
I am wondering would the name Dobbin be connected to your Dobbins ???
Several people with that surname are shown in the 1852 Directory
of Belfast and the Province of Ulster.
All the Best, Christopher
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Thanks for the tip Christopher
I'll have a look through at Belsfast and Ulster areas.
It has always been accepted that the family was from southern Ireland, but who knows ?
There have been several variations of the name, and Dobbin was definitely one of them.
As far as I know, my ancestors were from the poorer end of society, and unlikely to be listed as 'names'.
However, it is possible that we had someone with money who could have wasted it all on wine and women !!!!
Jard
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Hi,
if Dobbins is an unusual name and you have a year of birth (perhaps one or two on either side) you might find Peter Dobbins in the Irish BMD - you can search the indexes at LDS Family History Centres. That might be something to go for.
Best wishes
Heywood
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Hi Heywood
I tried LDS a while ago but had no luck, but I'll go back and have another look.
Thanks for your help
Jard
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Hi Guys
Totally new on here and this my first post, don't really understabd the "jargon" ie: BMD or LDS.
Hopefully as time goes bye I will. I was interested in this post though as I am a Dobbin and thought i could shed a little light on the spelling. Here in Ireland there is no "s" added, the spelling is Dobbin a little further back early 1800's it was spelt Dobbyn or Dobyn, around Co. Armagh it is still spelt with the Y in some cases, it also pops up spelt Daubin, all of these are presumed to come from D'Aubyn.
As regards to location the names pops up most frequent here in the parish of Duneane Co.Antrim and in Carrickfergus a major town at one time, though it does seem to be the one family sort of a summer home versus town senario. From here it the name moved most definately to Co. Armagh and in some cases briefly in other counties. The Dobbin family appear to have mainly military hence not of the landed gentry but did move in these circles for obvious reasons.
Hope this helps and look forward to replys since this my first post etc.
John Dobbin
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Welcome to Rootschat.
BMD = Birth, Marriage, Death
LDS = Church of Latterday Saints (Mormons). Here's a link to their website for searching online databases, etc.-
https://www.familysearch.org/
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Thanks for the information and the link, I shell many hours of research now.
J.D.
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On familysearch.org there is a wedding of a Peter Dobbyn in Dublin Sth Qtr 4 1912, which matches the index details, including Volume and Page numbers as a record for a Mary M Cullen.
marriage: Peter Dobbyn Oct./Dec.1912 Dublin South registration district, volume 2 page 644
There are fixed threads at the top of the list that tell you how to order a marriage cert from the General Registry Office using the above details.
Looking at Dublin South in the 1911 census, thete is this likely hit for that Peter, notwithstanding the different spelling.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/South_Dock/Power_s_Court/86357/
Also in that census, just around the corner from Power's Court, is probably the Mary M Cullen of the 1912 wedding:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/South_Dock/Verschoyle_Place/85248/
The intriguing thing is that a little way further around the corner is a very well known restaurant called Dobbins Bistro, open since around 1974. Do you know of any connection?
I have more about Peter's parents Patrick Dobbins and Mary Kenny which i'll post in a new message. Here's a brother of Peter for starters.
Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. ANDREW
Baptism (RC) of Patrick DOBBINS of 40 Powers Court 1888, parents Patrick Dobbins & Mary Kenny. Sponsors: Patrick Kenny, Teresa Kenny.
Book Number 30 Page 89 Record_Identifier DU-RC-BA-267274
Link to this record is
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/8074a51204983
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Peter appears to be living in Upper Leeson Street in 1937 accirding to the electoral registers. A couple of doors away there is also a Michael Dobbins
Click here (http://www.dublinheritage.ie/electoral/viewdoc.php?searchparam=search_surname%3DDobbins%26search_firstname%3DPeter%26search_street%3D%26from%3D%26to%3D%26search_number%3D%26search_polling%3D%26search_reg%3D%26start%3D0%26searchtype%3Dsimple&searchback=&voterid=0000908089&djvufile=&djvupath=)
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In 1901 Peter's mother Mary is already widowed, living with son Patrick:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/South_Dock/Powers_Court/1351600/
The most likely hit I can see for Peter in 1901 is at an industrial school run by the Oblate order near Enniskerry Co. Wicklow, which is just outside Dublin.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Powerscourt/Aurora/1812072/
It appears that Mary M Cullen was being referred to as Margaret in 1901, assuming the Mary Jane mother in this record is the same Mary Jane who was widowed in Verschoyle Court in 1911. If so, then Margaret/Mary M's father was Michael.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/South_Dock/Stephen_s_Lane/1351714/
Back to the Dobbins, at this link are 2 more siblings if Peter and a baptism record for a Patrick Dobbins which might be the Patrick who is Peter's Dad.
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?name=patrick+dobbin&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&submit=Search
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Thanks John
I had been digging through the irish genealogy site and found some of those entries, but you've highlighted some I didn't find, so thank you for that, and for finding a couple of extra family I didn't know existed. ...Don't stop now....keep going. ;D
My father, who was obviously a 'Dobbins' was born in powerscourt in 1921, and oddly enough, his birthplace is almost on the same spot where the Dobbins bistro now stands. I've tried looking for a link to my family, and although there were a few of them living in powerscourt area , nothing has surfaced to tie them to the business.... Strange coincidence !!
I'm still going through the info. so may find some more. I 'think' you've found g grandfather Patrick for me, which gives me another level, and I just need to confirm it. Thanks again for your help, and if you come across any more 'Dobbins' ...please remember me !!
Regards
John
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No problem, glad to help. I guess you're around Dublin somewhere so apologies if I assumed you were abroad somewhere.
You may have these already but I've gone a little further back on Mary Margaret Cullen and parents. The following link has a set of search results which includes Mary Margaret's baptism in 1893 (also various siblings including an older sibling Mary who may have died as an infant before Mary Margaret was born) as well as the 1882 wedding of Mary Margaret's parents, Michael Cullen and Mary Jane Walsh. That record gives you the names of the couple's fathers, another Michael Cullen and John Walsh.
http://goo.gl/u10yX
Will keep an eye out for more. All the best.
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Thanks again John....you're spoiling me now ...... and it's all right to carry on. :)
I'm living in England but as I still have family in Dublin and Kildare, I do cross the pond every once in a while...
Take good care
Regards
John
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Taking a lead from Ellen Cullen being a witness for Michael Cullen jr’s wedding in 1882, I found Ellen’s birth in 1857 (on www.irishgenealogy.ie):
Area - Dublin (RC) , Parish - St. Andrew
Baptism of Ellen Cullen 7 Verscoil Place on n/r n/r 1859
Date of birth n/r n/r 1859
Father Michael Cullen
Mother Margret
Sponsor 1 Phelix Doyle
Sponsor 2 Anne Fay
Then i found another sibling of Michael jr at Verschoyle Place, this time showing Michael jr’s mother’s name as Margaret Seymour :
Area - Dublin (RC) , Parish - St. Andrew
Baptism of John Joseph Cullen 12 Verschoyle Place on n/r n/r 1869
Father Michael Cullen
Mother Margaret Seymour
Sponsor 1 Peter Byrne
Sponsor 2 Margaret O'Brien
(This john joseph may have been known as joseph, or else an older probable sibling called john, born in 1861 to michael cullen and “margt seavers” may have died young. Despite the mistranscription of seymour, this should be the same couple as the address is given as 7 verschoyle place.)
Next i got the wedding for michael cullen snr and margaret seymour in 1850:
Area - Dublin (RC) , Parish - St. Andrew
Marriage of Michael Cullen and Margaret Seymour on 23 September 1850
Name Michael Cullen Margaret Seymour
Address n/r n/r
Occupation n/r n/r
Father Cullen Seymour
Mother n/r n/r
Witness 1 Francis Flanagan
Witness 2 Anne Darcy
If you search in St Andrew RC parish for "Michael Cullen" and each of "Margaret", "Margret" and "Margt" in turn, you’ll get a number of their children’s births, including Michael jr in 1856.
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They say history repeats itself and sure looks like it in the Dobbin family. I have a Thomas Dobbin born 1867 (son of Henry) married Sara McCullen their children were Annie Vera and Henry. The names Dobbin and McCullen are not very common so whats the chances of two different marriages, just to confuse me more. They were also not too original in picking first names I am confounded as I have too many williams, thomas's and henry to sort out not to mention william-henry and william dash any other name also cissie and nellie are cropping up a lot!!!
On a brighter note I have enjoyed reading the other posts, you guys are really good at this, hopefully some day I can tie into the information you provide.
On a side note I have a list of Dobbin births and marriages for the parish of duneane from about 1835 if any of you think your relatives are from here (toomebridge/moneyglass in county antrim)
cheers J.D.
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Have any of you come across a Dobbin family in County Antrim in the late 17th Century, who were the tenants of the O'Neills. They are mentioned in Fighters of Derry by W. R. Young. Captain Peter, Lt. Thomas, Lt. William and Lt. Henry were from Drumseugh and fought in the Jacobite Army. This resulted in their estates being confiscated.
There were also Major John Dobbin, Lt. William Dobbin (an advocate and probably John's son), Captain C. Dobbin and Anthony Dobbin (a magistrate) who all defended Derry. Major John was a great hero after his part in the attack to recover Windmill Hill.
Major John was also the overseer of a will of Nicholas Downing of Drumard near Bellaghy, who died in 1698 and he is described in the will as a cousin of Nicholas. I believe that Nicholas was the son of George Downing the head tenant on the Fishmongers' Proportion at Ballykelly, who moved to Bellaghy in about 1659 and was buried at the island Church at Lough Beg in 1663. I am trying to find the name of George's wife. I do not think that George had a sister in Ulster, who could have married a Mr. Dobbin, so it is more likely either that a Miss Dobbin married George Downing or that Major John Dobbin's mother and Nicholas Downing's mother were sisters. Are you able to identify them? Robert