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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kincardineshire => Topic started by: ron_dem on Sunday 05 February 06 19:36 GMT (UK)
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Between a third cousin and myself we have a lot of information on the name HAMPTON in Laurencekirk.
Any Hampton ancestry out there?
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Hi
In my tree I have a Isobel Hampton who married John Crab on 17/3/1753 at Fordoun, Kincardine.
I was trying to find a birth date for Isobel but without success - the nearest would have made her almost 30 at marriage and i thought that was a bit old at that time. It was in Laurencekirk!
If this links in with any information you have I'd be delighted to hear from you.
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Hi :
Sorry I took so long to respond. I looked at my resources and records I didn't find an Isobel whatever spelling in that time frame in my Hampton lines. I see your dilemma in that there isn't an Isobel that fits that birth time for Kincardine shire. That can only mean she may have been an interloper or in a parish that had later records.
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Thanks anyway - I'll keep on looking
Magian
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Hi,
I am trying to trace Catherine HAMPTON marr. John MCBAY,16 Sept.1838,Benholm,Kinc.GROS Ref.253/0030 0175. no other information. :(
ALSO
John MCBAY marr.Jean(Jane) HAMPTON 16 Sept. Johnshaven,Kinc.No other information available for either HAMPTON. :(
Any information will be greatly appreciated.
Regards :) :) :)
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Hi Foggyman
I wonder if this is John McBay and Jean Hampton in 1851:
John MacBey 35, fisherman, b. St Cyrus, Kincardine
Jane MacBey 34, b. Benholm, Kincardine
Ann MacBey 11, b. Benholm, Kincardine
Margret MacBey 1, b. Benholm, Kincardine
Address: Middle Street, Johnshaven, Benholm
There is a daughter showing for them on IGI in 1855, the first year of official registration in Scotland. Worth your while looking at that cert. on Scotlands People. Birth certs that year ran over two pages of the register and should include, where and when parents married, their place of birth, ages, father's occupation, also how many children they'd had since the marriage (alive or deceased/ boy or girls):
ELIZABETH MC BEY Birth: 03 JUN 1855 Benholm
Parents:JOHN MC BEY and JEAN HAMPTON
Monica :)
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And the family in 1841:
John McBay 25 , white fisher
Jean McBay 25
Ann McBay 1
Address: Johnshaven Division 5, Benholm
Monica
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This is the closest I can see for Jane on IGI:
JEAN HAMPTON Birth: 09 DEC 1815/ Christening:29 DEC 1815 in Benholm, Kincardine
Parents DAVID HAMPTON and ELISABETH MILNE
If she died in Scotland, hopefully her death cert. should confirm parents.
Not seeing anything at all on Catherine Hampton on the censuses as yet unfortunately.
Monica
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Strange that there are two John McBays, both marrying Hampton girls on the same date and place ???
Monica
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Hi,
Thanks for coming back to me so quickly.Thos could well be the family with the surname variation that is used depending on where they lived. I will have to go to SP when I have a few more searches that I can be sure of,being a pensioner I have to watch what I can afford to spend on research.
Thank you very much for the information,I really do believe these are my ancestors.
Regards
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Remember that spellings weren't that important or rigid at that time...not like today ::)
When searching for McBay on SP I would probably search for it as M?cb?y to pick up on all the variants.
Good luck with your searches - let us know if you need anything more Foggyman :)
Monica
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Hi,
Thank you very much for your help and advise. I found it strange also that I had two marriages to John McBay/Bey but with very different first names,I wonder if it could be a mistake and it is the same wedding????
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That was my thought. Both show as official extract from the OPRs so hard to say without seeing the refs. and entry in the registers. But it is odd, specially as the surname of McBay is not that common (only 31 entries in the whole of Kincardineshire for example in 1841)...don't want you chasing a Catherine that doesn't exist Foggyman, research is hard enough sometimes as it is ;D
Monica
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Pse see my posting of 1 May 2006 - do you have any information on Isobel? Isobel Hampton married John Crab on 17/3/1753 at Fordoun, Kincardine.
Magian
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Hi Magian,
Sorry no Isobel,but will keep you in mind as I am only just starting my search for McBay/Hampton line.
Regards :)
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Hi Monica,
Found birth/death of Elizabeth MCBEY in 1855.John is my 4xGrt.Uncle,I will get certs.when I have a few more details of family.
Hi Foggyman
I wonder if this is John McBay and Jean Hampton in 1851:
John MacBey 35, fisherman, b. St Cyrus, Kincardine
Jane MacBey 34, b. Benholm, Kincardine
Ann MacBey 11, b. Benholm, Kincardine
Margret MacBey 1, b. Benholm, Kincardine
Address: Middle Street, Johnshaven, Benholm
There is a daughter showing for them on IGI in 1855, the first year of official registration in Scotland. Worth your while looking at that cert. on Scotlands People. Birth certs that year ran over two pages of the register and should include, where and when parents married, their place of birth, ages, father's occupation, also how many children they'd had since the marriage (alive or deceased/ boy or girls):
ELIZABETH MC BEY Birth: 03 JUN 1855 Benholm
Parents:JOHN MC BEY and JEAN HAMPTON
Monica :)
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That's great Foggyman :) Let's hope you can also clear up the issue of Catherine v. Jane...
Monica
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Jean Hanton McBey died April 15th 1888, Fore Street, Johnshaven. Listed as 76 years old and died of senile decay. Her informant was Alex. Stevenson son in law. Parents were listed as David Hanton, white fisherman, and Elizabeth Mill. (Hanton and Hampton were interchangeable in the north east dialect) (Milne is also the northeast version of Mill)
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Jane is living with her daughter Ann and son in law Alex Stevenson on the 171 census and is listed as a widow. So, John obviously had died prior to this date.
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Hi,
Up to my neck in House alterations at the moment,but will be in touch with you again soon.Are you related to Jean Hampton ore the McBay line?
Regards
Mike
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Ann McBAY b.c. 1841 (Parents John McBAY and Jean HAMPTON ) married Alexander Bain STEVENSON on 14 February 1862 at Johnshaven (ScotPeople). They had 10 children.
Alexander B STEVENSON was a whitefisher.
Margaret103
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Looking for Foggyman re John MCBAY married to Jean HAMPTON.
Margaret103
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Hi,
Just back from holiday,I will get back to you in next 7/10 days
Regards
Mike
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Hi Mike,
Look forward to hearing from you.
Margaret
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Hi Margaret,
I do have information on Jean(Jane) BMDS Etc. According to the death cert. of Elizabeth b/d 1855 there were 4 girls born to John/Jean.I have the following: Ann b.1839,d.1895. Margaret Fullerton b.1845,d.1855. Elizabeth born and died 1855. So when was other daughter born? At the moment I have not been able to find a birth/death cert for the missing girl.
There are several variations to McBay/Hampton surname which I have not had time to research yet.
Are you related?
I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Mike
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Hi Mike,
Elizabeth MILNE b.1771 d.1860 was my GGGG Aunt, who married David HAMPTON in 1800, they had 6 children, the last one being Jean b.1815 d. 1886., she married Jon McBAY b.c. 1817 and by a Death Certificate I downloaded died 1858, Benholm, Aged 41. The Death Certificate gives no parents, wife or occupation and cause of death reads as follows: "Corna :and pressure on the brain caused by a fracture of the skull at the back. The opinion of Frederick Lewison M.D. Inverbervie, who attended the deceased. The injury was occasioned by the deceased having accidentally fallen on a stone; slates." The death was registered on the information of W. K. Tindal, Procurator Fiscal.
Do you think this is your John McBAY?
I have only three children to this couple, Ann, Margaret and Elizabeth who died in 1855. In fact I cannot find Margaret's death, the only record I have of her is on the 1851 Census where she is listed as 1 year old.
What is your relationship to this couple?
Margaret
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I do have information on Jean(Jane) BMDS Etc. According to the death cert. of Elizabeth b/d 1855 there were 4 girls born to John/Jean.I have the following: Ann b.1839,d.1895. Margaret Fullerton b.1845,d.1855. . . .
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Do you have any idea where that "Fullerton" slipped into the name for Margaret? I had Fullerton family in that area but I haven't found either McBay or Hampton among the connected surnames.
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My father,s aunt,Betsy Jane Easson m James Hampton,34,widower,16 Oct 1908,Laurencekirk.
Witnesses were David and Isabella Hampton. Betsy died 20 Feb 1947 at Hillside. James died 21 Mar 1955 at Laurencekirk. Parents were James Hampton and Mary m/s Stewart. Informant was W Ewen
son-in-law who may have been the husband of Mary Jane Henderson Easson. Betsy's dau born 8 Jan 1899, Laurencekirk.
There was also a Jessie Esson(different family)b to Helen Esson at Laurencekirk,31 May 1887 with an RCE for John Hampton.
A few years ago I visited Laurencekirk Cemy and recorded the followin
David Hampton d 27 Dec 1905 aged 71
wife Margaret Rodger d 22 Nov 1922 aged 85
son David Hampton d 21 Sep 1935
wife Catherine Lyall d 14 Apr 1914.
Charles Hampton d 21 Jan 1925 aged 84
wChristina Rodger d 27 Feb 1924 aged 84
dau Christina d 26 Dec 1937 aged 72
dau Margaret d 6 Sep 1919 aged 42
s Charles d 25 Oct 1884 aged 15
John Hampton d 1 Nov 1924 aged 59
wife Mary McDonald d 22 Dec 1924 aged 54
I am sure there were other Hamptons but I was looking for Easson/Balfour/Lyall and Main so I ignored them.
Jim.
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To:
Wallyf,
I have no idea how the name FULLERTON is a middle name of Margaret McBay, to my knowledge there is no Fullerton in the McBay line, so I can only assume that it may be from the HAMPTON line.
Regards
Mike
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Hi JCee
My grandfather was John McInnly Hampton b. 1877 to James and Mary Stewart. He married Jane Wilson 1906 jane died after childbirth in 1907 and he followed soon after in 1909.
There were three girls maggie who was born in 1905 and the twins Mary Ann and Bell (my Mother).
Cheers
Ron Dempsey
My father,s aunt,Betsy Jane Easson m James Hampton,34,widower,16 Oct 1908,Laurencekirk.
Witnesses were David and Isabella Hampton. Betsy died 20 Feb 1947 at Hillside. James died 21 Mar 1955 at Laurencekirk. Parents were James Hampton and Mary m/s Stewart. Informant was W Ewen
son-in-law who may have been the husband of Mary Jane Henderson Easson. Betsy's dau born 8 Jan 1899, Laurencekirk.
There was also a Jessie Esson(different family)b to Helen Esson at Laurencekirk,31 May 1887 with an RCE for John Hampton.
A few years ago I visited Laurencekirk Cemy and recorded the followin
David Hampton d 27 Dec 1905 aged 71
wife Margaret Rodger d 22 Nov 1922 aged 85
son David Hampton d 21 Sep 1935
wife Catherine Lyall d 14 Apr 1914.
Charles Hampton d 21 Jan 1925 aged 84
wChristina Rodger d 27 Feb 1924 aged 84
dau Christina d 26 Dec 1937 aged 72
dau Margaret d 6 Sep 1919 aged 42
s Charles d 25 Oct 1884 aged 15
John Hampton d 1 Nov 1924 aged 59
wife Mary McDonald d 22 Dec 1924 aged 54
I am sure there were other Hamptons but I was looking for Easson/Balfour/Lyall and Main so I ignored them.
Jim.
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Hi Ron,
Your G/F John and my Betsy Easson's husband James were brothers. The family(6 children) were at 5 Blackiemuir Ave in 1881. Interestingly the 2 youngest, Charles and David appear to be twins. Your g/f carried on the tradition. I don't have a lot on James Hampton. In 1911 he was living with his son Alfred at his mother-in-law's Jane Easson at ? West End, Laurencekirk. Alfred (8) was born in Johnshaven. Brings back memories. I lived there for a few years in the 1950s. Betsy appears to be elsewhere on Census night. I don't know if she is Alfred's mother or not. I have no knowledge of other children.
Yours Aye,
Jim.
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Hello,
I have just noticed this post… the name James Hampton is of interest to me as my husbands grt,grt,grt,grandfather was James Valentine (b 1774 in Fettercairn we believe) he married Mary Ferrier in St Vigeans and their first child was born there, their second in Johnshaven… their third in Fetteresso in 1810, this boy was named James Hampton Valentine… we believe the name Hampton came from James V snrs sister-in-law who was Agnes Hampton she married Alexander Valentine in Fordoun in1807……
At the time of James Hampton’s birth James V snr was a Sergeant Major in the Kincardineshire Militia….
Was Agnes connected to your Hamptons by any chance?
Patricia Valentine
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Hello Patricia,
Sorry ,haven't come across an Agnes in my Hampton connection. I see you are researching Warden.I have Wardens from St Cyrus and Laurencekirk in my family. Are yours from there?
Yours Aye,
Jim.
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Hi Jim,
Our Wardens seem to have travelled a bit, the earliest found is John Warden he is an excise officer working in Dundee, he was born 1729 (we know this from his excise salary book records).. he then moves to Dunkeld and then its up to Inverness... his son also called John, and an excise officer moves over to Peterhead then settles in Turriff... this John has a son Robert.......(my hubby Ian's great great grandfather).... he too becomes an excise officer - he is a tide waiter working in Aberdeen then he appears in Stonehaven... he died in 1852...
According to Ians family, there is supposed to be a link to the Alyth Wardens but I can't make the connection, unless I can prove that our John Warden 1729 is the John Warden b 1729 to a John Warden English teacher in Edinburgh...... who did hail from Alyth... Its not easy is it???
Are any of these in your family tree???
Patricia
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Hello again Patricia,
Sorry another non starter. My Wm Warden was christened in Laurencekirk 15 Oct 1764.He married an Eliz Adam in St Cyrus in 1784. Their eldest son James then married a Mary Christie from Rattray (not a million miles from Alyth). Their family were all born in Fordoun. Son Wm married Helen Lyall in St Cyrus in 1837. Their daughter Jane married my gt g/f Wm Easson in Laurencekirk in 1872.
Yours Aye,
Jim.
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Thanks Jim,
As you say another non starter, at least your family appeared to stay 'local', ours crop up all over the place.... not easy...
Many thanks for your participation though
Happy hunting
Patricia.
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JCee it appears we are second cousins. I have lot on the Hampton lineage, our grandfathers's parents were James Hampton and Mary Stewart, James' parents were Robert Hampton and Ann Wilson, his parents were John Hampton and Catherine Stewart, he was the youngest son of Robert Hampton and Elizabeth Frazer. Possibly his parents were James Hampton and Janet Brand and his parents wee James Hampton and Agnes Fettes who were married in1716 and came from Fodoun.
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Hi Ron,
Thanks for the above but I am only related to the Hamptons by marriage.James Hampton (1873-1955) bro of your G/F married my Great?Aunt Betsy Jane Easson in 1908.They had one child together that I know of. Alice born 1909. James had a son Alfred 1902 to his 1st wife Williamina Brown who died 1904.
Jim.
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Good evening and hello, I was wondering if you had an information on an Ann hampton born 1775
Thank you
Philip