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Research in Other Countries => South Africa => Topic started by: Eric-C on Thursday 09 February 06 12:10 GMT (UK)
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Have fairly good info on descendants of George Henry and Charles T, through NASA, personal contact, CWGC, etc. They were born 1849 & 1853 resp., Portsmouth, Hampshire, but few records found in UK.
Seek info on:
- GH & C's arrival in Cape.
- parents George and Ellen, who may not have come to Cape.
- other Tidbury family in F.Beaufort from the 1820's (Ellen T b 1821, m Wm Hry Smith 1857, F.Beaufort)
- Evered Vivian T (Death notice 1889), who does not appear in any of our family records.
- Walter T b abt 1871, , Cape. m Amy Sweetham abt 1895.
- GAD T d 1942 at El Alamein. (CWGC)
Thanks,
Eric-C
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Updated info.
Unsubstantiated claim Geo & Ellen married st Michael's Limerick 1842. Geo Hnry & Chas born in Preston Lancs, poss Fulwood Barracks, although we have entry for Chas baptised at Portsea. The Fulwood based Queens Lancashire Rgt (47 & 81 Rgt) do not have record of Tidbury, but other rgt's also based there over the years.
Still looking for connections ZA & UK
Regards Eric-C
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Latest update.
Confirmed Geo & Ellen (O'Brien, b. abt 1821) married 1842 Limerick St Michael's.
1851 census has Geo and brother Chas at Fulwood barracks while Ellen, (mis-transcribed as Sidbury), is in Preston Lancs with Mary A, 1844 Ireland; Ellen, 1849 Ire; and Geo, 1850 Preston. I have not yet found any trace in England of the family in 1861, so I guess that they had left England by then. There is a death registered in 1857 of a Geo. T at Preston, so there is the possibility that our Geo died in military service (in Cape Colony perhaps).
There is also a marriage in Fort Beaufort in 1857 of Ellen Tidbury (b. 1821 Fort Beaufort ???) to William Henry Smith, but I have been unable to find any further clue as to who they are.
Going back to the soldiers, Geo & Chas, were born in Thatcham, Berkshire of Charles T b 1800 Midgham and Ann Robbins b 1800 Thatcham, sib Hannah 1829, John 1831, William 1833, Eliza 1840, Matilda 1842.
If anyone has any further info or copies of documents, please let us know.
Thanks,
Eric-C
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Hi Eric, I was amazed to see you had quite a bit of info on my Great grandfather George Tidbury. My mother is Norman Maxwell Tidbury's daughter - Joy Richardson. She has 2 brothers and 5 sisters. My mom and her elder sister Kay - Kathleen are living in the UK but grew up in Fort Beaufort and East London. I'm trying to put some details together and would appreciate any help you can give me. I know this so far:-
Last Name: Tidbury
First Name: George Henry
Date of Birth: 1849
Place of Birth: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Parents – Father: George Tidbury
Parents – Mother: Ellen
Name of Spouse: Elizabeth Ann from Cahill Ireland
Marriage Date:
Marriage Place:
Date of Death: 29 Jan 1895 age 45y 3m
Place of Death: Ft Beaufort, Cape
Notes: DN 371/1895. Children, all minors:
Charles Henry
William Joseph married Maude Clarke
Susanna Ellen married William Clarke
Mildred Margaret married Charles O’Brien
Albert George married Bertha Clarke
Norman Maxwell Tidbury married Winnifred Clarke on 16 Oct 1917
We have a very big family - mostly still in South Africa. The eldest daughter Ailsa had 12 children and at the last count I believe there are 108 in their family alone. Daphne had 9 children, Esme had 2 daughters, Stella had 2 sons and 2 daughters, Kay has 3 sons and 1 daughter and Joy had a son and a daughter (me). Would love to get in touch, and find out how we are related. Cheers for now. Karen
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Hi Karen, good to hear from you.
My wife Julie is the Tidbury descendant. (of Charles, GH's brother)
GH's birth place is a bit of a puzzle. Possibly born in Portsea/Portsmouth enroute to or from a military assignment, but was Christened on 1 Nov 1850 at St Johns in Preston, Lancs where Ellen was living outside the Fulwood Barracks where George was stationed. See my note about Census 1851.
George, Charles, Henry are very common names in the family so beware confusion.
Were the Clarkes all related. Name coincidences abound. Elizabeth Ann Cahill is no relation, My family only came to SA in 1948, whereas there were Cahills in Fort Beaufort district from the early 1800's.
More info later, Regards Eric
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Hi Eric, thanks for getting back to me. So good to hear about other relations. Where do you live? We live in Woking, Surrey with my mom - Joy Richardson (nee Tidbury) and my Aunty Kay (Ford) came from Zimbabwe and now lives in Leeds. Can you tell me Charles's wife's name so I can fill in that blank? It seems the Tidbury's and the Clarke's were very close, but my Aunty Ailsa who gave me the information may have got a little mixed up so I will try and get proof of who married who. Definitely Normal Maxwell Tidbury married Winnifred Constance Clarke and had 8 children. I have George Henry as coming from Portsmouth. I am trying to find the war records for Patrick Tidbury who died in December 1942 (that's how I started on this), but not having much luck. Please send me whatever you have from the Tidbury's side and I will do the same. Happy 2014! Karen
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Dear Karen - I am also a descendant of these Tidbury's and have done a fair amount of digging into how all the families are related, etc as it is certain that the names are so duplicated. I have not been very busy lately with any of this and happened to be searching a clip of Donald Grey (Eldred Tidbury) when I noticed this thread and thought I need to share some of the information I have on the family as I do find it so fascinating.
I have connected - to be honest a while ago - with a descendant of your side of the two Tidbury brothers (as it appears to me) who went to SA- here is a quick overview of where I fit in. I have it that their parents were, George and Ellen Tidbury (nee O'Brien) who were it seems married in the Church of St Michael Limerick on 12 June 1842 - George Henry Tidbury was born in October 1849 and Charles Tidbury in December 1852 - both born in Preston Lancashire but the death certificate for Charles Tidbury that I have shows Portsmouth ( well never know how accurate it was in those days) . These two brothers became hoteliers in SA - George Henry at Lower Blinkwater and Charles at Tidbury's Toll in Seymour(then known as Stockenstroom).
GEORGE HENRY married Elizabeth Ann Cahill and had 6 children - Charles Henry, Wiliam Joseph, Susanna Ellen, Mildred Margaret, Albert George and Norman Maxwell.
CHARLES married Emilena Barber and they had 11 children - Charles Henry (again), Walter, Emily, William George, Elizabeth Maria, Robert James, Maude Evelyn, Eulalia Josephine, Anthony Reginald,Myrtle Grace and Everard Vivien. So my grandmother was MAUDE EVELYN - she married Wreford Goodall and they had three boys, Dennis, Basil and Kenneth and one daughter Marjorie -my father was KENNETH Goodall.
I corresponded with Undene Gouverios who did provide me with a lot of the above - she is the grandaughter of WILLIAM JOSEPH TIDBURY who married Matilda Maude Clarke who then had 6 Children - Everett William. Lionel Cuthbert, Constance, Thelma, Edna and Aubrey Aiden - UNDENE's father was EVERETT WILLIAM.
A while ago a researcher from Rhodes University sent me a list of all the Tidbury baptisms done in the Catholic Church in Fort Beaufort as well as a listing of deaths from church registers - it is not complete but did give me a good idea of dates and names of whom to tie up with whom.
I currently live in Dubai and have managed to do a lot of research via the internet - think I have previoiusly corresponded with Eric Cahill and as well with Eric Smith.
Do let me know how you go and if anything here could be of help - I do hold some newspaper cuttings, etc which I can scan to you as well as the church lists.
Take care and look forward to hearing from you.
Warmest
Gaelene Clarke
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Thank you so much Gaelene for getting in touch. It is such a pleasure when a little more of the history is exposed. I would love to see the articles and church lists if you could send them to me. My email is (*). I am particularly interested in finding the birth and death date for Patrick Tidbury - born around 1918. That is what started this journey. I have just moved house so not had time to really get into this lately but will start again next week. I have most of our family tree (Norman Maxwell Tidbury's) side and will upload these asap. My aunty - Kathleen Ford (nee Tidbury) is really pleased to hear about her family as she lived in Fort Beaufort and knows Tidbury's Toll well. I have a friend who lives there now and she has been in touch with some of Charles's family so will relay all this info. Thank you again. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Karen
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Dear Karen - thanks so much for the reply and will certainly scan what I have and would love to catch up again when you are more settled to see how this whole family is connected. Know it feels great when you do have some more information or perhaps it confirms what you were not so sure about.
Would be so interested to hear more - does your friend live in FBeaufort as I also grew up on a farm around that area called Amhurst and we used to regularly go the Katberg Inn etc. The Patrick Tidbury you are needing more information on - does he perhaps have a second name?
All for now - regards.
Gaelene
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Sounds really bizarre but Patrick was my mother - Joy Theresa Tidbury's oldest brother, but he died soon after being born. My mother and her sister think their mother - Winnifred Clarke was pregnant when she got married in 1917 and wanted Patrick's birth date. Unfortunately there is no record of his birth or death in the records in Fort Beaufort, or a grave, so we are at a loss. We have however, managed to obtain the war medals and death certificate for their other brother George Aiden Tidbury after I started looking into it here. I will check with my friend in Fort Beaufort and let you know about the pub. She says things are obviously VERY different there now.
She met with Hilton Tidbury and writes:-Years before, the tidbury's were of morman faith. Now the person I met this morning is Hilton Tidbury married to Cathy for over 60 years and Hilton was born in Fort Beaufort in 1935 and the son of William Joseph and he has got a little book with the family tree of his side. And the coat of arms of the Tidbury family. No further news.
Lovely to hear from you again. Will be in touch.
Karen
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Hi Gaelene,
I see you have Everett William Tidbury in your tree. He married a cousin of mine (Mary Grace Goodenough) back in the 1940's I believe. I've lost trace of them after that other than knowing the couple had 1 girl & 2 boys - one of the latter went on to produce triplets! Do you have any info on any of them, in which case I'd love to hear from you. It seems the Tidbury's have am interesting background - my interest is really whetted!
Regards,
Tony Goodenough
Salisbury, UK
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Hi Gaelene and Eric,
My family tree on Geni is getting underway with lots of Tidburys. Now I'm trying to find my grandmother - Winnifred Constance Clarke's parents. She married Norman Maxwell Tidbury and the 2 families are tied by 4 marriages. However, none of the family trees list her parents and my aunty Kay can't remember their names. My mom - Joy Tidbury passed away in August and I can't find any record of who they were. So if anyone can supply me with their names I'd be so grateful.
Thanks
Karen
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Hi All
Does anybody have a copy of the coat of arms for the Tidbury family
Thanks
Steve Tidbury
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I see you have Everett William Tidbury in your tree. He married a cousin of mine (Mary Grace Goodenough) back in the 1940's I believe. I've lost trace of them after that other than knowing the couple had 1 girl & 2 boys - one of the latter went on to produce triplets! Do you have any info on any of them, in which case I'd love to hear from you. It seems the Tidbury's have am interesting background - my interest is really whetted!
Hi there,
My name is Everett Almero Tidbury, I am named after Everett William Tidbury, he was my great grandfather, his sons were Hilton, Kevin and daughter, Undene. Hilton Tidbury being my grandfather, Hilton is still married to Kathy (Johanna Kathleen Killian, my Grandmother) after all these years! She is the one to have the Triplets you mentioned (First set of triplets in Port Elizabeth in 20 years at the time, I believe), all three are my uncles, Wayne, Mark and Gary(Deceased). As well as two other children, Shaun Mathew Tidbury (My father) and Delray Tidbury (Now Turner, and still living in Fort Beaufort) Hilton and Kathy now also live in Fort Beaufort once again.
From the Hilton and Kathy line, there are only two male grand children, my close cousin Dominic Tidbury, son of Wayne Tidbury, and myself son of Shaun Tidbury.
If you require any information on this line of Tidbury's (The Fort Beaufort Tidburys) please don't hesitate to ask. :)
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So wonderful to hear from you Everett. Thank you for getting in touch. I would really appreciate any additions you can contribute to my tree on Geni. If you send me your normal email I can add you to the tree and you can add or change anything you like. I'm not sure how far back your knowledge goes but there are a few discrepancies with the line in the early 1600's, so if you have any factual sources they would help. I was in touch with Hilton and Kathy through a friend of mine in Fort Beaufort. They were most helpful. I've tried to contact Shaun, but no luck, so really pleased to hear from you. I look forward to adding this info to my tree and getting you on board. Both my grandparents, the Tidbury's and the Clarke's had fascinating backgrounds as 1820 settlers in South Africa.
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Hello Karen, and thanks for the welcome.
I've actually just sent my father the info to join this forum and give his input, his knowledge on the family is much more extensive than mine.
In one of your previous posts you mentioned a little booklet of the Tidbury family with the Coat of arms, I actually had that same booklet in my possession at one time. I can't recall whether I returned it to my Grandfather, or if I still have it. (This was years ago, and I have moved a few times since.) But will ask if I can get it again.
I'll gladly join up on your Geni page,
Look forward to hearing from you.
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I've added you to our tree Everett. You will receive a request from Geni. I have the same tree on My Heritage and they should link automatically. Would be so good if you could fill-in all your family details as I see there are quite a lot of people missing. Some photos would also be lovely. If you come across the Coat of Arms I'd love to see it, as would Steve Tidbury. Thanks again and hopefully we can help one another find our roots.
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Thank you, you're a star! I am already updating as I go along. :D
Will get some pictures of the family too.
Looking at the tree is giving me goosebumps, its really awesome. making me miss my family here. haha, time to make some calls.
Will keep you posted about the booklet and coat of arms.
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Hi there guys,
My dad sent me the Coat of Arms that he has with him.
Also a little break down of the various devices on the Crest.
The description is as follows:
Gules. A pale ermine
Crest the point of a spear in pale, the shaft and hilt in saltire proper, banded gules.
Mantling. Argent and Gules
The broken lance . died in battle with honour hence the red ribbon binding the lance
Helmet denotes from English decent
Ermine , usually associated with royalty and knighthood.
Still waiting on the whole document, might be able to provide a bit more clarification. :P
(http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab326/etidbury/image_zps1pep6mxa.jpg)
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That is fantastic Everett. Thank you so much. I'm going to try and put it on the family tree.
Karen
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I see you have Everett William Tidbury in your tree. He married a cousin of mine (Mary Grace Goodenough) back in the 1940's I believe. I've lost trace of them after that other than knowing the couple had 1 girl & 2 boys - one of the latter went on to produce triplets! Do you have any info on any of them, in which case I'd love to hear from you. It seems the Tidbury's have am interesting background - my interest is really whetted!
Hi there,
My name is Everett Almero Tidbury, I am named after Everett William Tidbury, he was my great grandfather, his sons were Hilton, Kevin and daughter, Undene. Hilton Tidbury being my grandfather, Hilton is still married to Kathy (Johanna Kathleen Killian, my Grandmother) after all these years! She is the one to have the Triplets you mentioned (First set of triplets in Port Elizabeth in 20 years at the time, I believe), all three are my uncles, Wayne, Mark and Gary(Deceased). As well as two other children, Shaun Mathew Tidbury (My father) and Delray Tidbury (Now Turner, and still living in Fort Beaufort) Hilton and Kathy now also live in Fort Beaufort once again.
From the Hilton and Kathy line, there are only two male grand children, my close cousin Dominic Tidbury, son of Wayne Tidbury, and myself son of Shaun Tidbury.
If you require any information on this line of Tidbury's (The Fort Beaufort Tidburys) please don't hesitate to ask. :)
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Hello Everett,
I've only just picked up your message posted way back in November, sorry! It's another grey, wet day here so I'm busy catching up with my outstanding FH stuff. Fascinated by your story and would love to share full details with you although I'm not on Geni. Have a complete tree of my Goodenoughs & calculate we are 2nd cousins 2 X removed from my Grand Uncle Samuel. My email is (*)
Happy New Year to you and all my SA cousins
(PS can you spare some of your sun for us?)
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