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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: fiddiwebb on Sunday 26 September 04 21:33 BST (UK)
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Hello All
New to this forum and thought I would try and see if anyone could help, share information or even give some good advice. Looking for info on Webber`s of Camerton - John Webber & Hester Webber living at Whitebrooke Lane, Camerton (1851 census) with 6 children at the time. Have found them in the 1841 census living in the same area. I believe they had 7 children possibly 9 in total:- John, Elizabeth,George, Frederick, Rhoda, Shadrach,Charlotte, Clara?, Ann? . I believe I found their marriage details from familyhistoryonline, John Webber + Hester Filer status SOJ married 2apr 1832 parish Shepton Mallet but this gives no mention of ages or parents of groom and bride. So if anyone has come across this particular family in research or has any info I would be grateful for any help. Pete :)
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Hi Pete, I've got some microfiche copies of Camerton Parish Registers.I've found these:
Baptisms:
2.10.1814.Hester dau of George & Ann Filer,Camerton,Carpenter.
25.4.1819.Ann dau of George & Ann Filler,Camerton,Carpenter.
25.4.1819.Jane dau of George & Ann Filler,Camerton,Carpenter.
5.8.1821.George son of George & Ann Filer,Camerton,Carpenter.
13.12.1846.Shadrach son of John & Hester Webber,Camerton,Labourer.
6.10.1850.Sarah Ann dau of John & Hester Webber,Cam.,Labourer
5.9.52.Worthy son of John & Hester Webber,Cam.,Labourer
11.2.1855.Worthy Amos? son of John & Hester Webber,Cam.Labourer.
6.11.1859.Clara dau of John & Hester Webber,Cam,Labourer.
Burials
James Webber,Camerton.9.9.1866. 6 months
John Webber-killed in Coal Pit. Camerton.26.9.1876.67years.
Hope some of this helps.No marriage found for John Webber to Hester in Camerton. Cheers Sue.
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Hi Sue
Thanks for the info on the Webber`s @ Camerton, much appreciated. Didn`t know about Sarah Ann or James in the family, so has helped to fill some holes in!!!, interesting about John Webber killed in the coal pits have to find out if this is the one I need.
Thanks, Pete :D
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Noticed your also looking for FIDDIMORE's in UK. I'm a Fiddimore living in Surrey. A second cousin of mine contacted me a fews years back after he had complied some ancestory from our Grandfathers, Reginald and Thomas. They had 3 more brothers and a sister and lived in Belmont Surrey. I have a copy of the tree he drew. It only goes back to probably my great great grandfather, another Thomas Fiddimore born in 1800's. Don't have it in front of me today - but i can dig it out and fill in any gaps you may have.
Stacie (36)
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I've seen "otp" in parish records (of this parish) but what does "soj" mean please?
Thanks!
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SOJ - sojourner. In basic terms SOJ means someone who is a temporary resident., but in parish marriage registers its meaning is a little more precise. When the 1754 - 1837 Hardwicke Marriage Act was passed, clerks were required to write down the parish of each person who married. If the couple had been resident for more than 3 weeks they were shown as OTP (of this parish). However for someone who had only taken up residence in lodgings to avoid the bann fees, this was frowned upon and the word "sojourner" or SOJ abb. was added to the marriage entry to indicate that they had met the letter of the law but did`nt really belong.
Hardwicke Marriage Act 1754-1837. stated that everyone had to marry in a licensed church in their own parish. Banns (notices of intentions to marry) were read publicly on three separate Sundays, which gave the opportunity for anyone to object. This gave the opportunity for parents of minors (under the age of 21) or previous spouses to call a halt to the proposed wedding.
It was also possible for couples to marry by licence in a different parish church to that of their residence. By this method banns were not read although it was still possible for someone to call an objection to the marriage at the start of the ceremony.
Because John & Hester Webber had SOJ in the register for there marriage this would show that Shepton Mallet was not their parish of residence.
There residence at that period was around Camerton-Wellow- Dunkerton area which was a fair distance away from Shepton Mallet.
I believe the reason they got married in Shepton Mallet was that they both were very young (16?, possibly pregnant :o)and did not have the consent of there parents, and to avoid the banns being read out at there local parish church and any objections being made to there marriage.
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Hi Pete
Remember me from Curious Fox? I sent you my Webber family information some time ago, but you never got around to sending me yours. Wonder if you would be good enough to return the favour now?
Best wishes
Lynn :)
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Do you by chance have any links with this lot?
Husband: SAMUEL C WEBBER
Birth: 1795 Radstock, Somerset
Occupation: Mar 30, 1851 Stone mason; 4 Farmers Terrace, Widcombe, Somerset
Occupation: Apr 7, 1861 Day labourer; Widcombe & Lidcombe, Somerset
Death: Dec 1863 Bath, Somerset
Marriage: 1822 Somerset
Father: WILLIAM WEBBER (1771 )
Mother: ANN UNKNOWN (1772 )
Wife: SOPHIA CAROLINE WHITE11
Birth: Apr 30, 1796 BradfordonAvon, Wilts
Baptism: Oct 9, 1796 Morgans Hill Independent, BradfordonAvon, Wilts
Occupation: Mar 30, 1851 Lyncombe & Widcombe, Somerset
Death: Jun 1855 Bath, Somerset
Father: JOHN WHITE (1765 )
Mother: SARAH SHIPMAN (1767 )
Children
1 F Emma WEBBER
Birth: 1823 Combe Hay, Bath, Somerset
2 M Jesse WEBBER11
Birth: 1824 Dunkerton, Somerset
Occupation: Mar 30, 1851 Bargeman; 4 Farmers Terrace, Widcombe, Somerset
Occupation: Apr 7, 1861 Bargeman; 1 Bartletts Court, Lyncombe & Widcombe, Somer
Occupation: Apr 3, 1881 Bargeman captain; Hungerford Lock Kennet & Avon Canal,
Occupation: Apr 3, 1881 Boatman; 2 Georges Terrace, Lyncombe & Widcombe, Somers
Death: Dec 1881 Bath, Somerset
Spouse: Hannah URCH (18231882)
Marriage: Jun 1863 Bath Registration District, Somerset
3 F Sarah Rachel WEBBER
Birth: Oct 1828 Radstock, Somerset
Baptism: Oct 26, 1828 St Nicholas, Radstock, Somerset
4 F GRACE WEBBER
Birth: 1828 Dunkerton, Somerset
Occupation: Dec 21, 1856 None stated; 32 Cornwell Terrace, Walcot, Bath, Somerse
Occupation: Apr 3, 1881 Charwoman; Shurnhold, Bath Rd, Melksham, Wilts
Occupation: Apr 3, 1881 Lodger; Shurnhold, Bath Rd, Melksham, Wilts
Occupation: 1901 Retired; 4 Lowbourne Place, Melksham, Wilts
Occupation: Apr 2, 1911 Melksham, Wilts
Death: Dec 1920 Melksham, Wilts
Spouse: WILLIAM HEDGES11 (18271873)
Marriage: Dec 21, 1856 St Swithin, Walcot, Bath, Somerset
5 F Caroline WEBBER
Birth: 1836 Dunkerton, Somerset
Death: Mar 1886 Aberystruth, Monmouth
Spouse: Henry JAMES (1836 )
Marriage: abt 1859
6 F Eliza (Bessie) WEBBER
Birth: 1842 Dunkerton, Somerset
7 M Samuel WEBBER
Baptism: Feb 10, 1845 St Matthew, Widcombe, Bath, Somerset
Birth: Feb 1845 Widcombe, Bath, Somerset
Death: Dec 1863 Bath Registration District, Somerset
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Hi Dulverton
I feel as if there should be a connection with my lot, but I can't see one as yet. I'll print your info out and check it over, if I do find a link I will come back to you
Thank you for getting in touch
Lynni
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Lynni
I have erred!
Samuel C Weber/Webber (Born c1795 Radstock died c1863 Widcombe) married Sophia MAYS (no information whatsoever. (Possibly daughter of a George & Grace MAYS) at Combe Hay on the 7th May 1819.
Marriage witnessed by Abel Saben (?)
The couple had 8 children, born between 1821 & 1845 in Combe Hay, Widcombe, Radstock, Wellow, Dunkerton & Twerton)
Does this help?
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Hi
I'm also looking into the Webber family
Shadrach (Shadrack) son of Son of John & Hester Webber. He is shown living in Camerton in 1851 & 1861 censuses.
In 1871 census he is living in Aspull nr Wigan. He married a widow Elizabeth Kay (formally Seddon), and is step father to 3 children.
He has 3 daughters with Elizabeth- Esther b. 11 June 1871 Clara b. 9 September 1872 and Alice b. 13 December 1873 who only lives 8 months.
It is curious that Esther & Clara are baptised twice in Chapel and Cof E Church!
Elizabeth dies and Shadrach remarries in 1877 - Alice Goulding shown as his wife in the 1881 census with whom he has two sons.
Shadrach as worked as a miner most of his life, except for a couple years his occupation is as a publican when his daughter Ether marries. In the 1901 census he is a colliery underground official. He dies in 1906.
I know his sister Rhoda marries Mark Mitchel Perkins 19 Aug 1866 in Bristol, and has a daughter Eliza born in 1867 (1871 census both in Camerton with her parents)
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John & Hester
1851 Census
Whitebrook Lane Camerton
Shows children at home
Elizabeth b1832
George b 1832
Frederick b. 1840
Rhoda b. 1844
1861 census
shows Frederick & Shadrach at home same address also
Enoch b. 1855
Clara b. 1860
1871 census shows living at Hop Yard Camerton
John & Hester with children
Worthy b. 1856
Clara b. 1860 and Rhoda Perkins with her daughter Eliza b. 1867