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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: bje2000 on Thursday 16 February 06 01:19 GMT (UK)
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Hi, my ggg grandfather Benjamin Joyce was born 27/7/1821 in Somerset (at this point I can't ascertain the parish). At some time prior to 1834 his family moved to the Middlesex area.
On 3/7/1834 he was convicted at The Old Bailey of stealing shoes and sentenced to transportation to Australia.
His parents are Benjamin and Sophia. I can not locate any other details about this couple and have struck a brick wall. I do know that he had a brother Samuel born 3/2/1836, christened 2/5/1836 at St Leonards Shoreditch.
If anyone has any additional information about this family, your help would be very much appreciated.
Thanks & regards
Bret Ellis
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Hello. Benjamin Joyce (1820-1890) is my GG Grandfather. I have been researching the Joyce Family tree on Ancestory.com.au. I have found scanned documents of the notice in the paper of his court sentence, transportation to Australia, picture of his grave and other ancillary information. He and another unidentified boy stole 2 pair of shoe worth 11 shillings. If you want more info just google his name or reply to this.
Also his father's name was Benjamin Joyce (1785-1853) who was married to Sophia Lacey. They were paupers and lived in a workhouse in London. I am having trouble finding where this line of joyce's came from before this but am finding information difficult to obtain.
If you are related to Benjamin Joyce the convict then you know of his wife Anne Trotter. So far I have been able to trace deviations of her line to 980AD. Her ancestors were part of the French Royal family with several Count, Dutchesses and Knighted folks.
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Not sure if this is what you want but Benjamin Joyce that was married to Anne Trotter had 2 brothers and 1 sister that I have been able to find so far. There was Frank George Joyce 1818-1877, Sophia Joyce 1826-1866 and then Samuel that you already seem to know about.
Did you know that Benjamin had 14 children and that he temporarily seperated from his wife in 1853? They had 4 kids at the time. Benjamin was also charged with Vagrency (he was homeless at the time of seperation). They got back together and had another 10 kids so I suppose it worked out for them.
I am trying to find information on Benjamin Joyce Senior (the one married to Sophia Lacey). I know by Census information that he resided in a workhouse and worked as a Stich Weaver. He was there with Sophia at the time of the Census they were both 55yr old at the time but no other Joyces were listed residing in the house. I would love so much to find where he was born and who his parents were.
Still looking.
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BTW Benjamin's brother Frank George Joyce was born in Badcox, Somerset, England so I presume that is the parish you are looking for.
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Maybe related;
Benjamin JOYCE, Birth 10 April 1788, Baptised 27 February 1790, St John the Baptist, Frome, Somerset
Parents BENJAMIN/ELIZABETH
Siblings;
MARY 1790
WILLIAM 1792
ELIZABETH 1794
Benjamin Married Elizabeth DOWDALE 1787
Benjamin/Sophias Marriage 1815 is there too
+ Benjamin JOYCE, 27 July 1765, St John the Baptist, Frome
Parents BENJAMIN/MARY
FRANK GEORGE Joyce, Birth 25 Oct 1818, Baptised 30 Oct 1819, St John, Frome
Parents BENJAMIN/SOPHIA
Abode Badcox, Fathers Occp Weaver
Source of all Records;
www.freereg.org.uk
Trish :)
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I noticed you said Benjamin/Sophia are down as age 55 in 1841.
I have a census with them as 50 and Sophia age 15 is with the also ;
HO107/710/4/Christchurch Spitalfields
Although appearing on the 1851 Census as Married SOPHIA Joyce did not appear to Marry Richard WINTER til March 1859, Bethnal Green, 1c 474.
Trish :)
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Woops you are absolutly correct. I had another look at the 1841 census and yes they were 50yr old and Sophia Jnr was 15. I am wondering if you can help me out. I am wanting to find out as much as I can of the Joyce family. How did you come across this information on Benjamin Joyce (1785-1852) as I can. You stated that his parents name were Benjamin and Elizabeth. BTW I am curious where you fit in the tree. Any help you can give me would be much appreciated.
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I also had another look at the 1851 census that lists a Benjamin Joyce staying in a workhouse. The problem is that it says his age was 66. This is obviously not the Benjamin Joyce that is related to me as I know the 1841 census to be correct and he was 50yr old then. So in the 1851 he should have only been 60 not 66.
BTW I am getting all my information from Ancestory.com.au
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Sorry I'm wrong again I meant Benjamin Joyce 1788 (not1785) I had an old person moment.
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Ok, in the 1841 Census ages were rounded to the nearest 5 yrs for Adults.
The 1841 census I posted looks correct as the 2 Sophias there.
Although the 1851 has Benjamin born c 1785 the person who gave Census enumerator the info may have been out by a few years.
The Baptism info I gave was the only Benjamin born c 1780-1790 I could find in Frome, Somerset, where it says he is born in 1851 Census.
Death Regs;
Sophia JOYCE, March 1846, Whitechapel, 2 396
Benjamin JOYCE, March 1852, Whitechapel, 1c 242
Do you have either Death Cert or has anyone that has a Tree with them on ?
I am not descended from the Joyces at all and am just trying to help John!
Trish :)
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Just to let you know that Brett Ellis has not been on Rootschat since 2006 so you may not get a reply from him unfortunately.
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Hi Trish1120.
I tried looking at your sources on freereg.org and it wont go any further back than 1837. How did you get it to go further back?
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Hello bje2000,
Just to say that the Joyce family are to be found all round the villages in the Frome area in the 18th and 19th centuries. I believe they go back there beyond that too.
Places as Cloford, Nunney, Leigh on Mendip, Downhead, Doulting and West and East Cranmore. There are also quite a few around Shepton Mallet.
I have Joyce in my tree.
There is a website for the Frome Local Group at:
http://www.gomezsmart.myzen.co.uk/
This site has a search facility on it.
Jo.
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Hi Jo,
FreeREG goes back pre 1837 as the info is taken from Parish Registers by Volunteers.
FreeBMD is post 1837 when Civil Reg of B/M/D began.
Did you use the link that I gave?
If so, you should have found the Records I quoted.
www.freereg.org.uk
www.freebmd.org.uk
Trish :)
EDIT, OOPS my apologies.
When you go to the home page you have to go down to;
"Search Parish Registers"
That will take you to what you want
(I have the search page saved and forgot that FreeBMD and FreeCEN links are on that home page also)
Direct link;
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
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I am the great great great great grandaughter of Benjamin and Ann Joyce. My Grandfather has been researching for years and now i've started. Not including siblings and such here is the unofficial direct line
Thomas Joyce - Penelope Miller
Benjamin Joyce 1735 - Mary Book
Benjamin Joyce 1765 - Elizabeth Dowdale
Benjamin Joyce 1788-1868 - Sohia Lacey 1802-1866
Benjamin Joyce 1821-1890 - Ann Trotter 1827-1907
Samuel Joyce 1853-1916 - Mary Crossingham 1853-1915
George Richard Joyce 1880-1929 - Maud Cleaver 1881-1933
Henry Cleaver Joyce 1906-1967 - Irene Maher 1914-
Richard Joyce 1937 - - Elizabeth Joy Lee 1940 -
Richard Brad Joyce 1962 - - Katherine McLaren 1968-
Jessica Ann Netting (Joyce) 1989-
If you have any additional information such as dates and if the line can be traced further back I would love to hear from you.
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Welcome to Rootschat jjnet :)
I am so glad that you can confirm I was on the right track whilst trying to help.
Benjamin JOYCE Married Mary BOOK, 30 October 1763, St John the Baptist, Frome, Somerset, Both of this Parish.
Witnesses Ste SYMES/Edward WALTER
BENJAMIN Joyce, Christened 27 July 1765, same Church to BENJAMIN/MARY
(Source FreeREG)
Trish :)
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I think to go back a little more with this Family or to confirm further info you may have to take int account Cloford, Somerset, and Nunney, Somerset Records.
EG;
JANE Joyce Christened 24 Aug 1746, Cloford, Somerset to THOMAS/PENELOPE
NANCY Joyce, 25 Sept 1743, Cloford, Father THOMAS
PENELOPE Joyce, Married, Spouse THOMAS, Buried 17 Dec 1773, Cloford
(Source Familysearch.Org)
Marriage;
Thomas JOYCE
Penelope MILLER, 01 May 1731, All Saints, Nunney, Somerset
(Source FreeREG)
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Hello. Benjamin Joyce (1820-1890) is my GG Grandfather. I have been researching the Joyce Family tree on Ancestory.com.au. I have found scanned documents of the notice in the paper of his court sentence, transportation to Australia, picture of his grave and other ancillary information. He and another unidentified boy stole 2 pair of shoe worth 11 shillings. If you want more info just google his name or reply to this.
Also his father's name was Benjamin Joyce (1785-1853) who was married to Sophia Lacey. They were paupers and lived in a workhouse in London. I am having trouble finding where this line of joyce's came from before this but am finding information difficult to obtain.
If you are related to Benjamin Joyce the convict then you know of his wife Anne Trotter. So far I have been able to trace deviations of her line to 980AD. Her ancestors were part of the French Royal family with several Count, Dutchesses and Knighted folks.
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Hi Anne Trotter was my g g grandmother, her son Thomas Trotter Joyce was my g grandfather, his daughter Edith Joyce who married Edward Hall was my grandmother and their son was Norman Hall who was my Father could you please send me more information on the ancestory of Anne Trotter that leads back to French Royalty. Thanks Christine Fitzpatrick nee Hall
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Well according to my grandfather's family tree, the Benjamin that is married to Sophia is the son of Benjamin and Elizabeth Joyce [nee Dowdale] and that Benjamin is the son of Benjamin and Mary Joyce [nee Book].
I think it would be a lot less confusing if they weren't all named Benjamin!
Here are the dates I have:
Benjamin Joyce (?) m. Mary Book (?)
Benjamin Joyce (July 27 1765 -1803) m. Elizabeth Dowdale (?- January 24 1821)
Benjamin Joyce (April 10 1788- 1868) m. Sophia Lacey (1802-1866)
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I am great great granddaughter of Benjamin Joyce married to Ann Trotter. His father was also Benjamin Joyce born (1785-5.2.1852) married 30.10.1815 to Sophia Lacey (1793-1866). Their children were Frank George (25.10.1819-1877), Benjamin (28.7.1821-19.9.1890), Sophia (1826-?) & Samual (3.2.1836-?). His grandfather - another Benjamin Joyce was married to Elizabeth Dowdale. Sorry - no further info. My grandfather was the youngest child of Benjamin & Ann & I have quite a bit of info on this family if you need it. Cheers cous :D
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Welcome to Rootschat Hudeboots.
Hopefully someone related to you will reply but as they havent been on here for several years it may not happen.
Trish :)