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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: lucretia666 on Thursday 16 February 06 15:37 GMT (UK)
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hi all,
i have found a new name in my tree.
josiah glew - should be glue
he was born in rogate sussex 20th feb 1828
his mother was hannah hersay and his father was joseph glue.
i have found josiah's birth but can find no other record of him, not even a death record. i believe his mother died abt 1840. Jospeh was sent to australia as a convict, but 22/2/1840 he was married to another woman... harriet staggs!
does anyone have any ideas as to what might have happened to josiah! ???
i have tried ancestry and family search and i dont think that he went with joseph to nsw!
help please!!!!
regards
luc666
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Hi there luc666
Apologies for not answering your query sooner, but have been exhibiting at a Model Railway Exhibition in Brighton for the past 4 days.
I have looked through the 1841 census for Rogate and have found the following:
HO107/ 110/ 05/ Sched 8/ Page 8/ Gally Grove, Rogate
GLUE Geoff, 22, Labourer
........ Mary, 2, Wife
........ George, 1
next door is
GLUE George Sen, 53, Labourer
........ Ann, 42, wife
........ Harriott, 19
........ Charles, 15
but, living in Galley Grove are four children as follows:
HO107/ 110/ 5/ Sched 13/ Page 18 - Galley Grove, Rogate .
SMITH Thos, 65, Labourer
GLUE John, 13
....... James, 11
....... Mary Ann, 9
....... Edward, 6
....... Thomason, 4 (female)
SMITH Elizabeth, 57
Everyone of the above was born in County of Sussex.
Whilst I realize that the names you have mentioned are not present; why would 5 young children be with smith family - could it be that their mother has died and their father has been transported?
What are your thoughts
Chris in 1066
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Hi again
Found that marriage you mentioned
Marriage:
Location: Rogate, West Sussex, Date: 27 Mar 1821:
Groom: Joseph GLUE, bachelor
Bride: Hannah HERSAY, spinster with consent of Parents.
Both of this parish, married by Banns.
As they married in 1821, could he have been transported after his marriage to Hannah ?
Chris in 1066
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hi chris,
thanks for the info, in 1821 do you know what age you needed to be to get married? if it says that she had consent of parents would she have been pregnant then with another child??
another query to throw at you,
i found out that a hannah hersay died in 1840. but then i found out that a hannah glew remarried... it wouldnt be on igi as hersay if she had married jospeh.. is that correct?? ( if she had died she would have been down as glew?!?!?)
god this is confusing!
was there a sniff of any parents names on there chris??
sorry to ask so much of you!
thanks for the hard work put in already!
luc666
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Hi there
Back in 1821 and even up to the 1930,s before the act was repealed; it was legal for a boy of 14 and a girl of 12 to marry.
Usually though, consent of parent or parents means they were under 21, more often than not they were 17 or 18.
No parents names were mentioned in any of the data I have published for you
another query to throw at you,
i found out that a hannah hersay died in 1840. but then i found out that a hannah glew remarried... it wouldnt be on igi as hersay if she had married jospeh.. is that correct?? ( if she had died she would have been down as glew?!?!?)
Sorry, am having one of my thicker moments - dont really understand this question.
Chris in 1066
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I have Joseph Glue in my family tree, I have information from Australia.
Joseph came to Australia with his nephew George, came on the ship Hoogly in 1834.I am interested in any information from England if anyone can help.
Thanks
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1841 census HO107 1102/3 folio 36 page 5
Midhurst Union Workhouse Easebourne Sussex
Josiah Glew 14 Sussex
Folio 37 page 6
Caroline Glew 11 Sussex
Deaths Mar 1848
Glew Caroline Midhurst 7 376
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda,
Thank you for this, it has been a great help, and much appreciated.
Juliefran
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Hello All,
I am an Australia connection to Joseph Glew (Glue) and Harriet Staggs. I have just join this site and would love to share the English history of th Glew (Glue) Family
I was told that the children from the first marriage in England after Joseph was sent to Australia with his nephew George as convicts were sent to a workhouse. I would love to know more!!
;o) Kim
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Hi
I too am the Australian connection to the Glue family.
My great grandmother is Rachel Glue, she married Daniel Mumberson.
I have a little information from England.Where abouts do you fit into the line.
Regards,
Julie
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hi guys,
i think you both have the info that i have sent to you! the last part of email is virgin.net?!?!?!?! lol
have more info for the both of you!
will email you both soon as i also have been contacted by 2 other ozzie rellies!!!
can also put you both in touch with someone from england who says he has been studying the line for 20 years, together we might all be able to crack this line lol,
take care both of you, and will be in touch very soon!
luc666
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Hi
Yes that is correct and that will be great as well, can't wait to hear from you.
You take care as well,
Julie
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I am new to this site, unless we met through Genes Reunited, I have not had the pleasure.
I am from Joseph Glew (Glue) and Harriet Staggs marriage. Joseph was my 4th GGrandfather. Then son Thomas Glew, his daughter Laura Glew, her daughter Ida Glew, her daughter Lillian Skidmore, her daughter Elsie McIntosh to me Kim Townsend.
It is a very large Australian connection as well as the family still in England. My email is * for those interested in direct communication.
;o) Kim
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Wow, i'm also related to the Australian Glue's. My 3x great grandmother was Margaret Glue, daughter of Joseph Glue and Harriet Staggs. I've been searching for Joseph's life before he left England as I could only find information on the Australian end. Thanks for the hints and if I can help with anything on this end i'd be happy to!
-Vanessa
P.S. my email is *
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hi ya -
well, i can definatly help you on that one!! :D
i have army records, his sickness records on the ship (really interesting!!!), cert of freedom etc, and lots of stuff from this side!
if you can PM me your email address i will quite happily let you know what i have and even hook you up with lots of decendants both here and in oz, if interested! but should warn you - there are LOTS!!!!! ;D
giz a shout
take care
luc666 :-*
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Hello
My great great grandfather was George Glue, nephew of Joseph, both transported together in 1834 to Australia, if anyone can help me with the trial records for them it would be greatly appreciated
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Hi Heaven,
have pm'd you
:D
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Just look at my family tree on Ancestry, poor Josiah grew up in the workhouse (Easebourne workhouse where so many many of my family started their lives and latter died) and appears to have followed in his father's footsteps as his name appears again and again in the courts, my final record of him was in Dorchester prison, Dorset, where he was held under the assumed name of Joe Brown serving time for quite a serious assault......after that "nothing" he simply disappears but l presume he changed his name more than once and as a consequence he is untraceable, there are references to a Josiah Glew in the north west of England but they are not "our" Josiah, hope this helps.
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Hello,
I am a newbie here, only registered today after finding this thread and I'm so glad I did.
I haven't been tracing my family history for long and therefore have little information and would appreciate any help I can be given.
I have traced my great-grandmother to be Rachel Ann Mumberson nee Glue b. 8 Jul 1865 at Cobbitty, New South Wales, Australia.
According to the NSW Registry of Births Deaths & Marriages, her father is unknown and mother is Margaret S Glue. Margaret married William Tully on 13 Dec 1865. Rachel Ann married Daniel Mumberson on 11 Jul 1882 at Burrawang, New South Wales, Australia.
My mother was fostered/adopted when she was aged 2 with 2 of her sisters aged 4 & 8. She had very little family knowledge and thus neither do I. Her birth certificate shows her mother's name as Maria Estreich nee Mumberson & Maria's birth certificate shows her mother and father as Daniel & Rachel.
Any help on ancestors and/or dependants would be great.
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I may be able to help you, so I have sent you a personal message
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Unfortunately the personal message system does not work until new posters have more than one post. If R.Chick replies to this it should then be active. Just click on Reply at the bottom of the post.
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Thanks for your response Judy. Email checked & replied.
Cheers Rhonda
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And thank you sillgen for the protocol re personal messages, very much appreciated .... Rhonda
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If this gets to "R Chick" please contact me again, l've no idea what l'm doing on Rootschat BUT l have over forty years of research on the Glue/Glew family mainly in England but also in Australia post-1837 and would love to share it, perhaps via e-mail, which l do understand.
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Hi Dglew ... received your message - I'm a newbie here also so I'll look around the site and see if I can email you or get my email addie to you
:D
R. Chick (Rhonda)
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat...email addresses can be exchanged in personal messages but not on the open forums to protect privacy.
Carol
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Hi Treetotal .. I think I've been able to share my contact details in "personal messages". I'll know if I was successful if I get a reply :D
I understand about not posting email addresses on an open forum site, as you say, to protect my privacy. Although I do Thank You for looking out for me.
R.Chick
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Just browsing and picked this up, so it may not be of any use to you. There are several Glue family members in Compton, W Sussex.
Salt
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Hi Salt ... Yes, my "Glue" ancestor comes from W. Sussex but I don't know the name of the town.
I have found out my great, great grandmother was the daughter of Joseph Glue, a convict who was transported to Australia in 1834. He was married before his conviction but remarried just after his arrival in Australia.
the following information is from http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/glue/joseph/7796
Convicted at: Sussex. Chichester Quarter Session
Sentence term: 7 years
Ship: Hooghley
Departure date: 25th July, 1834
Arrival date: 18th November, 1834
Place of arrival: Port Jackson, Sydney, New South Wales
His date of birth is cited as "abt 1799"
I look forward to any info you may have :D Personal Message me if that is more convenient for you.
cheers Rhonda
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If he married in Sussex there are only two possibilities on the Sussex pre 1837 Marriage Index. One in Treyford cum Didling in 1823 to Sarah Carter and the other in Rogate in 1821 to Hannah Hersay, as given earlier. Marriage was with consent of parents and the witnesses were Geo and Ann Glue which may help find his parents. (There is a possible marriage in Rogate for George and Ann in 1819.)
There is a burial in Treyford for a Joseph age 84 in 1881 so it probably counts him out.
Hannah Glew age 44 died in Rogate in 1835
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there are several other people looking for Rogate Glew / Glues
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=738338.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734376.msg5798723#msg5798723
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728743.msg5733173#msg5733173
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=715943.msg5595896#msg5595896
Maybe some useful information in those threads
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=547137.msg4006836#msg4006836
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Sorry, I have no links to the Glue family. I just came across the name when searching the Sussex parish registers on Freereg at freereg.org.uk
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I've just realised this is a very old thread and OP hasn't been active for some time.
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I've just realised this is a very old thread and OP hasn't been active for some time.
Yes, but there have been further interested posters in the mean time so it has reactivated itself.
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Thank you all for your help and links :D I guess I have a lot of reading to do (with pen & paper on hand).
Cheers Rhonda
(I will be back)
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Hello from a Glue living close to Rogate in West Sussex. I haven't done any more research into our family for about 4 years but as direct descendants of Thomas & Thomasine Glue I may be able to help you
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Nice to meet you, Sticky and I'm looking forward to all the information I can get.
I've been in contact with DGlew and Heaven who also have been very generous with their help.
Regards Rhonda
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Hi my name is Raelene and Margaret Glue was my great, great grandmother. It was always said that Rachel was fathered by William Tully before they married as his mothers name was Rachel. I believe that there were 2 daughters born before her marriage to William. She sure was an amazing woman having 17 children. William and Margaret's son Joseph George Tully was my great grandfather. It's funny as a descendent of Daniel Mumberson married my mothers brother so she is both my cousin and my Aunty. Haha
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Hi Raelene. Such a lovely surprise to hear from you. My sister has more information than me and when told her about hearing from you, she almost fell over with excitement haha. If agreeable to you, I can try to work out how to PM you both our email addresses (haven't done it for a while).
I look forward to hearing about any further family history you have/know :D (especially how your Aunt is also your cousin - now that has my mind spinning lol - and the fact we now live 10 minutes from where your great grandfather, Joseph George, was buried).
Rhonda
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Yes it would be lovely to share some information. My Aunty who is a Mumberson lives in the tweed area. My father took used to take me to the houses in bilambil where William Tully and where Joseph lived and full of wonderful stories. I have some wonderful old pictures of the Tully's. Look forward to further communication. I assume that you live on the tweed too as that was where Joseph Tully and his father William were buried. X
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I'm new to Rootschat and would be very interested in the information re the descendants of Thomas and Thomason Glew/Glue who may have come to Australia in the 1870's onward. Particularly the sisters Alice Jane or Jane(Alice) and a Mary Anne. I would grateful for any help. They were born in Rogate Sussex.
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Hi Everyone,
I am related to the Mumbersons via my great great grandfather George Glue. I am currently researching Daniel (or maybe its William) Mumberson.
My records show he was born in Jamberoo on Sep 16 1854, married Rachel Anne Tully in Burrawang on July 11 1882 and died in Berrima on July 21 1928.
I've tried to verify those dates via NSW BDMs but can't find anything.
Any ideas?
Many thanks
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Sydney Anglican Parish Registers
July 11th 1882, Burrawang
Daniel MUMBERSON, bachelor, (born) Jamberoo, a labourer, aged 'Above' of Burrawang, father as Daniel Mumberson, a labourer and mother as Barbara Lambuster,
married at the Parsonage, Burrawang according to the rites of the Church of England
Rachel Ann GLUE, a spinster, (born) Camden, aged 'Under', of Burrawang, father as William Tully, a labourer, and mother as Margaret Glue.
Rev David T SMITH, Witnesses William Hill and Jane Smith.
ALL signed their names except Rachel Ann Glue who made her X mark.
NSW BDM has this as Daniel MUMBERSON and Rachel Ann GLUE, registered Robertson district, and registration number 3939 / 1882.
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Re Ages.... so Daniel was 'Above' ie more than 21 years of age, and Rachel was 'Under', so not yet 21 years of age. :) She would have needed parental consent to marry. It is not noted on the parish register image that I have transcribed above.
JM
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Civil Registration for bdm did not commence in NSW until 1856.
There are three births registered at NSW BDM online index that may be of interest, as they are likely the younger siblings for Daniel.
NSW BDM online index births MUMBERSON
Sarah E, parents as Daniel and Barbara, registered Kiama district, #7449/1857
Mathias, parents as Daniel and Barbara, registered Kiama district #7935/1860
Mary, parents as Daniel and Barbary (sic) , registered Kiama district #9278/1864.
An official transcription of Mary's birth registration should give you details of all her older siblings, and where/when her parents were born, married. Scroll through : https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyhistory
JM
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Dear JM
Thank you for your quick response and giving me so much more information regarding Daniel M. and Rachel.
I wonder why she used the family name Glue instead of Tully?
I have no idea why I couldn't find the marriage details - I didnt use Robertson as the district though.
The Berrima Historical Society published an article re his father (also Daniel) and mentioned his children but Daniel was omitted - hence my confusion.
Many thanks
IMc
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Rachel made her mark, so she may not have had sufficient reading skills to actually know what the clergyman was recording. :)
Picture the event .... the clergyman says 'sign here' ... to the groom, - so he signs 'here' ... the clergyman does not say 'read everything first' ... so the groom doesn't check that the clergyman has the correct names for the bride. The bride is asked to 'make your mark' ... so she also does as she is told. And the witnesses stood and watched, and then signed that they witnessed the ceremony and the signing. :)
Sometimes with NSW BDM online index searchings ... well ... it can be best to leave many of the options 'empty', and with an unusual spelling of a surname, it can be best to just enter one surname and a range of dates, or just one surname and then press the search option.
JM
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Many thanks JM - much appreciated
Are you related to the Mumbersons like me via George Glue?
IMcH
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Many thanks JM - much appreciated
Are you related to the Mumbersons like me via George Glue?
IMcH
Sorry, no, just NSW centric. My earliest NSW arrivals date from mid 1790s, and I have living elderly rellies some who spent their careers in NSW Land Titles, NSW Archives, National Archives in Canberra, clergy, and are still very interested in local and in family history and who got me interested back when I was at school ... so I have been a family history buff for..... decades .... :) ...
If you search RootsChat you will find threads re GLUE in NSW and you could consider posting on those threads, even if you doubt your GLUE ancestors would be connected, perhaps they have come across your chap in their searchings... :)
JM
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Many thanks JM - will do
IMcH
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One of ancestors is his grandafther (Thomas Glue 1751-1835)
Josiah appears in several newspaper articles including:-
... the night of the 6th instant, Josiah Glew, a pauper the Easebourne Workhouse, and who has at various times been inmate of Petworth Gaol, absconded from house, taking with him a suit of clothes, pair ' stockings, two handkerchief's, pillowcase, three shirts, and pair of new boots. His escape was ' 'he following daring manner • at between 40 v .' the boardroom, and obtaining two sheets he tied together and fastened the end to an iron bar ;N window, from whence he, by the aid of the sheets, ' aims down the roof below, and from there slid the ground by means of a pipe used for conveying water off the roof. A pane of glass was broken in window, apparently by his foot getting out; but nonetheless, none of the inmates were roused, and the fugitive managed to get clear off, and was not missed 'ill the morning shewed the sheets fluttering from the ■ low. This man appears to be a thoroughly artful aid, as a short time ago, being Petworth Gaol, he ''outlived to exhibit such symptoms, and make such professions of amendment of life, as to obtain from the authorities both money and clothes, promising to immediately leave the country and strive to redeem his character, as an emigrant. A very short time after he had left the prison, however, he had pawned his clothes and spent his money; and the present result shews how he kept his promise of amendment of life.
Published: Tuesday 15 March 1853 Newspaper: Sussex Advertiser
Prisoner Josiah Glue, a convict returned on ticket of leave, having been three times subsequently convicted of offences, was by the mine authority and on the expiration of his last sentence here, recommitted to Milbank prison to undergo the unexpired portion of his original term.
Published: Tuesday 16 April 1861 Newspaper: Surrey Gazette