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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: martync on Tuesday 21 February 06 15:30 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone know if these records are still around anywhere. A relative was apparently quite a regular "visitor" and I've tried TNA and The Liverpool Record Office and they are not there apparently. Anyone now where the records are?
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I don't know whether it helps or not but I believe that prior to its closure in 1892 all records and remaining prisoners had been transferred to Walton Prison Liverpool.
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Thank you for that, maybe they are filed as part of Walton Jails records. It's certainly worth asking about. I'll post it on here if I find anything.
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Hi,
I traced my great grandfathers records of his time spent in "Kirkdale house of correction" in 1881 ,via Black sheep search, Ms Chambers 4, Quills, Letchworth, Herts.
She looked at records in London and sent me copies of the Court calender etc it only cost me under £10 for a great deal of her time,plus the copies of documents.
I hope this helps .
Keziah
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I am very interested in the records of Kirkdale Gaol. Did you find out where they are located please?
Regards Laura
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I'm sorry I have never found the location of these records. The Liverpool library / records office did not know where they were. I'd be very intrested as I understand an ancestor was a frequent if sort stay inmate, it seems he enjoyed a drink a bit too much. His army pension documents had Kirkdale Gaol as his retirement address!!
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Have you tried entering your relatives name on the A2A site if there are any entries theremay be info at the Lancashire Records office.
Dotty
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Thanks for the suggestion. I have had lots of success re Kirkdale Gaol with A2A. You need to enter in the name several times for the best result
County Gaol Kirkdale
House of Correction Kirkdale
Kirkdale Gaol
etc.
I found a lot of entries finally.
Laura
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Thank you both for your suggestions I will have another look it would be interesting to find out a bit more about this "colourful" character. He must have been quite a good soldier because he made sergeant three times in his army career but unfortunately it would seem the booze seemed to be his downfall and he was busted down to private twice once at least for being drunk on parade and left the army to go, short term, to Kirkdale gaol, I suspect he was allowed to retire rather than get busted again. He lived just around the corner to the gaol and worked on the docks but according to family legend quite often spent the night at the gaol but that could have been 2 or 3 times and got built up or many times it would be interesting to find out.
All the best,
Martyn
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Much obliged for this helpful info. I'm on the wigan-roots yahoo group so to share the results of my painful search for a specific prisoner Agnes Welsh jailed in 1839 I've started a twitter account at @wiganprisons. Do follow and direct message me.
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Have you seeen the article in the Preston Chronicle about thethe offences and sentence ?
Dotty
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Yes thanks, I saw the 26Jan1839 issue online. The info at National Archives Kew (PCOM2/2/341 Prison records Wigan 1832-1843) was fuller and gave the lesser charges as well as identifying Kirkdale, which is why I found this thread. I'll need to visit Wigan and/or Liverpool to pin down Agnes Walsh's next of kin or address.
see more from my quest on @wiganprisons
best wishes
Tony
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I decided in May that I wasn’t going to get anywhere soon with the Agness Walch that lived in 1841 with my gggfather John Walch at Brick Kiln Lane and so I waited until I could visit Kew and the Wigan Archives to identify the similarly named and aged 1839 convict I found on ancestry.com
From Kew I found that in 1832 prisoners arrived at court from Kirkdale House of Correction, but it didn’t say where they were sent. Then I found that some documents catalogued at Kew are kept in the Wigan Archives at Leigh Town Hall.
These state that Agness Welsh was a singlewoman, was committed to Kirkdale House of Correction, and that she claimed to have a daughter in Bolton in 1838.
I now need to go to the William Brown Library in Liverpool, where the Kirkdale records are said to be stored.
I’ve posted a much fuller report on a new Twitter account @wiganprisons which everyone is welcome to follow. It’s easy to follow someone via twitter.com . Shout if you want tips on how to.
I’m doing the Twitter because I’ve now received help from five different forums, and expect to find more. They won’t all want all the unfolding details of this arcane subject cluttering up their forums. If the moderator asks me to, I’ll post them all here!
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Hi, I wondered if you could please tell me what the A2A sites are that are mentioned here please? I'm looking for a relative that was in kirkdale gaol as a 12 year old lad, and wondered if I could find records anywhere that would tell me why?
Thanks in advance
Marie
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A2A (Access to Archives) was a search engine associated with the National Archives. It has since been retired, and "Discovery" (http://http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/) has been enhanced to provide similar coverage. Until recently, a2a.org.uk still pointed at Discovery, but I've just tried it again and the old url is now dead.