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Hi Everyone
I am a new mwmber of Rootschat. My special interest is in the Thorpe family of Fairlight. My mother was one of the last Thorpes to have been born there. I have a huge amount of 'family tree' data and there is probably not much more that I can add except at the very recent (post 1900) and the early (pre 1700) ends of the timescale. However I now want to try to put some meat on the bones particularly for the 19th century when there were about 80 members of the Thorpe family living in the area between Hastings and Rye. Basically I am interested in any detail however small on members of this branch of the Thorpe family what they did, where they lived etc. Any contributions will be greatfully received.
By the way I am also interested in Ades, Wenham and Willett families from the same area. I have much less detail on these families and would love to hear from other members who have similar surname nterests.
I reallise that this first posting is rather general and will post some more specific questions in due course.
Roger
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Hi there Roger
Welcome to Rootschat and especially the Sussex Boards.
I hope that whilst you are with us, we can add some more flesh on to the bones of your ancestors.
Do you have all the data from the census returns as I notice that in the 1851 there are some 85+ refences to the surname Thorpe.
In1841 there are some 12 families listed in that area accounting for some 47+ individuals.
My database of Monumental Inscriptions contains some 25 stones in that area with the Thorpe name on them.
Obviously I do not want to repeat the information that you already have, so will wait with anticipation for your next posting
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Chris
I do have the 1841 and 1851 censuses for the area but I would love to know what the 25 monumental inscriptions relate to because I certainly don't have that many. As I live in Cheshire it is not easy to get to Sussex to explore the churchyards. Please let me have any details that you have on Thorpe MI's especially in Ore, Fairlight, Guestling, Pett, Winchelsea and Rye.
Kind regards
Roger
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Hi Roger
These are the hits from my database that match up with your villages - all except Fairlight which has not yet been entered.
Stone No, Place, Name, Age, Year of Death
024 Hastings, Ann Thorpe, 73 – 1852
024 Hastings, James, 59, 1832
002 Pett, Emily Anna Thorpe, No age given, 1928
005 Pett, Bertha Thorpe, 19, 1843
003 Pett, Charlotte Thorpe, 52, 1870
006 Pett, Charlotte Thorpe, 68, 1852
006 Pett, John Thorpe, 68, 1850
317a Guestling, John Thorpe, 64, 1814
317b Guestling, Christopher Thorpe, 60, 1783
317 Guestling, Elizabeth, 47, 1828
317 Guestling, Mary Thorpe, 60, 1859
317a Guestling, Mary Thorpe, 54, 1808
317b Guestling, Elizabeth, 81, 1810
317b Guestling, Hannah, 46, 1768
088 Ore, Christopher Thorpe, 86, 1762
089 Ore, Mary Thorpe, 71, 1761
138 Halton, Harriett Thorpe, 72, 1868
138 Halton, William Thorpe, 60, 1846
031 Hooe, John Thorpe, 20, 1768
032 Hooe, Richard Thorpe, 91, 1808
033 Hooe, Mary Thorpe, 57, 1780
034 Hooe, Mary Thorpe, 58, 1819
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Chris
Thanks for the MI's. I don't think that the Hastings, Halton and Hooe Thorpes are mine unless they are decendents of an offspring of a very early ancestor that I have not picked up. The MI's from Pett and Guestling are definitely mine but I think that I have seen all of them except possibly Bertha's. If you have some good photos of these I would be interested in copies.
The real interest is in the couple from Ore. These were Christopher Thorpe and Mary Farncombe who were married in Ore in 1711. These are my 6 x great grandparents!!!!
Please please send me more details, church, photos etc so that I can visit the grave when I next get down to the Hastings area. What a great find that has made my membership of Rootschat worthwhile after only one day!!!
Thank you so much.
On a slightly different subject I have been contacted by 'L' who has information for me on the Ades family. This was a personal message but when I clicked the link in the email , I got a message saying 'you are not allowed to send personal messages'. How can I get this unblocked to that I can find what information 'L' can send me. Can you help?
Kind Regards
Roger
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Roger
You are going to like this
Earlier today, I posted in the Sussex boards "Why do we let this happen" and St Helens Old Church, Ore
Both of those messages refer to the church where Christopher and Mary are buried in Seperate Graves
I will post the stones and inscriptions in a moment
Be ready for a surprise - I kid you not
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Roger
St Helens Old Church, Ore - Sussex
Stone Number 088
Icon on stone - Carved Shell
In memory of/ Christopher Thorpe/ who departed this life/ Nov 6th 1762/ aged 86 years.
Sorry, but at the moment I can not locate / get to the stone to photograph it - I think it is under some brambles and thick undergrowth.
Stone No 089
Icons on Stone - Book, Shells, Hourglass, Scrolls, Flowers and Angel
In memory/ of Mary the wife of/ Christopher Thorpe/ who departed this/ life July 10 1761/ Aged 71 years
Photograph of stone is below - isnt that something special
Hope you like it
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Chris
Well done you really are a star!!
It is such a beautiful stone. I must try to get down to Ore before this lovely grave is desicrated as it seems that the church has been.
Regards
Roger
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Hi again
Stones like this are very rare, especially as it has stood out in the open for ni on 250 years.
It is an absolute shame that the church and yard are being neglected - maybe we can team up and get some kind of preservation society going or something like that - something has to be done about it.
Your ancestors must have visited that church on many occasions and i expect the font was used in all their baptisms as well
To have a stone like that must have cost a few bob - what were their occupations and do you know where they lived in Ore
Glad you liked the information
Chris in 1066Land.
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Hi Chris
Christopher was christened in Hollington in 1676.
I know nothing more regarding Christopher but his daughter Hannah married her cousin another Christopher Thorpe and they are the two Thorpes that are buried in the large box tombs near to the door of Guestling Church. Again I am not certain of the occupations but their decendents were major farmers in the Fairlight and Pett areas. Sadly all this wealth has now disappeared from the family my grandfather Arthur Thorpe was only a farm hand. Such is life.
Regards
Roger
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Hello!
I am researching my Thorpe line and it ends with William and Diana (Frost) Thorpe. Both born in 1810 (give or take a year). William was born in Fairlight. Their children: Samuel Slater (born 1838), Elizabeth A, and William B.
Do these names pop in any of your information? And, why were there so many Thorpes in Fairlight?
Thanks!
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Hello Neilio
Welcome to Rootschat :)
William Thorpe
Baptised at Fairlight on 23 Jan 1809
Son of William & Ruth Thorpe
Mum & Dads marriage ?
From Sussex Marriage Index
At Whatlington
1 Oct 1807 by Licence
William Thorpe & Ruth Elliott
Hope this helps
Kind Regards
omega
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My husband's tree includes one Mary Thorpe, who married John Delves in Wartling, Sussex, on 31/3/1802. We have not, as yet, been able to ascertain who her parents or siblings might have been, and we can only guess that she was born in the 1780s.
Mary and John had children Elizabeth (1804), Louisa (1806), Henry (1809), Mary Ann (1815), John (1819), and Jane (1822-ish). All the children were born in Wartling.
Might be connected, ... might not, too! ::)
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Hi Neilio
I have a huge number of Thorpes in my family tree including your William and Diana (Frost) Thorpe. I have sent you a personal message with my email address so that we can exchange information more easily.
Kind regards
Roger
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Hi Deb D
I am interested in your Delves - Thorpe connection. I have a Mary Ann Delves who married Edward Chatterton in Tonbridge in 1801 and they had a son Joseph Delves Chatterton who married Harriet Stoneham Thorpe (one of my ancestors) in 1831 at Fairlight. Could this Mary Ann Delves be one of your Delves and if so I wonder who the Mary Thorpe who married John Deves is?
Let me know if there is a connection via the Chatterton family.
Regards
Roger
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Hi Roger,
Your Mary Ann is somewhat farther upstream than I've been able to swim, so far. John Delves, born about 1780, is the earliest I've found, and I don't know for sure who his parents were ... although there's a submitted record on the IGI for a John, son of John Delves and Catherine (nee Green). Naturally, there's been no answer to my attempts to contact the submitter.
If it's any help, the name Mary Ann seems to be repeated generation after generation in the Delves family, right up until the 20th century. One possible sibling of my John (1780) was a Mary born 1778 ... but she married John Faulkner at Framfield in 1799, which might rule her out.
Haven't run across any Chattertons yet ... nor a Harriet Stoneham Thorpe, ... but will keep my eyes open.
Cheers
Deb
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Hi Deb
Thanks for replying.
Roger
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Hello Roger,
Firstly, Seasons Greeting to you ! My name is Kate And I live in NZ. Both my father's and mother's sides of the family emigrated here, my father emigrating here in 1951 and my mother's family emigrated here in 1921. In the early 1990's my parents and I (I was living and working in Manchester in law) went on extended tours of the UK, visiting places of interest to both sides of the family (my father's roots are in Hull Yorkshire and my mother's in the South of England, Fordham, Hastings, Rye and Fairlight). To keep things brief for this introduction, on our return from these trips, my Great Uncle Spencer Chatterton (he was my mother's uncle)brought out an old tin trunk that traveled with his family from the UK to NZ in the early 1920's. A lot of old wills and lists of births, deaths and marriages from family bibles etc came to light and much research at the time was carried out, as the wealth of these documents became apparent. It has been a long time since I have looked at these documents and I don't know what prompted me but I googled Thorpe Fairlight Sussex UK the other day while revisiting these documents, and Roots Chat with your postings came up.It is immediately clear to me that your family and mine have connections to the same family. As I say, I have a folder full of original documents of the family's which I have transcribed and kept as copies with the originals. I would be more than happy to have these documents scanned and the copies sent to you for your information. As an example I set out a part transcript of a long list of the Chatterton- Thorpe connection that was set out in a single document, by whom it is not clear but it is very detailed:-
CHATTERTON Joseph Delves Born at Rye July 261804 supposed bap(tised) at Wersham or Pevensly died August 3 1857. Married
THORPE Harriette Stonham April 12 1814 at Fairlight " (married) Church Fairlight bap at do(same). Died at 15 Frederisco (n) Place Mile End Road on Sunday morning at 1/4 past nine Jany 14th 1872.
Children:-
CHATTERTON James Thorpe Born 3. Oct 1832 Bap Fairlight Church at Rye died 10 Octr 1862.
do Joseph Delves Born 2 Sep 1834 " Rye "
do Edward Stonham Born 22 Sepr 1838 bap Bow "
do Edgar Born 5 July 1840 bap Bow " died 4 Decr 1841
do Spencer Born 24 June 1842 bap Bolvendew(?) named at Bow.
do Harriette Born 27 Octr 1846 Bap at Bow died 20 April 1862.
do Jane supposed b. 9 or 10 Sep 1848 bap at Bow named at Bow at (?) died May 1849
do William Born same week that Aunt Dillow (/) was married at Bow named at (?) dead living about 3 days.
do Peter Born 27 April 1852 Bap at Bow (this is my great grandfather)
Grandfather CHATTERTON Edward died at Rye about 1846 buried at Rye
Grandmother DELVES Mary Born and died at T.W buried at Fairlight Church
Grandfather THORPE James Manser Born 13 April 1777 at Fairlight Married 2 or 3 Feb 1812 Died 10 Sepr 1855 buried at Fairlight.
Grandmother THORPE Harriette Stonham Born 26 Septr 1778 at Beckley Sussex. Died May 1853.Buried at Fairlight.
Children of THORPE-
Harriette as above (that is Harriette Stonham born April 12 1814)
Sarah Mary Born 17 Octr 1815 at Fairlight Bap at Fairlight Married at Fairlight 17 Octr 1835
to John SMALLFIELD Born 12 Aug 1813 at Willersham (?) Kent.
As you can see it is possible to track the family's move from Sussex, to Bow in London, in the mid 1800's. I also noted another poster was interested in the DELVES connection, it is here also. The documents are many, for example there is correspondence between JANE MANSER (nee THORPE) SMALLFIELD and her Aunt MARY THORPE dated Brighton 4th (?) 1829 and Fairlight Sepr 11th 1829. It names several other family members and is a invaluable snapshot of the family interactions and concerns(relating to farming, the Brighton Fair for example) and wider contemporary social events.
I will leave this here and look forward to hearing from you in the New Year. Again I am happy to forward one way or another, any documents you maybe interested in as regards the family connections. I am sure this will find you an enthusiastic (if not surprised!!!) recipient
With regards Kate.
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Hi Kate
Great to hear from another Thorpe descendant.
I have sent you a personal message. However as you are new to Rootsweb you may have difficulty replying to me with a personal message. If so just post two more messages to Rootsweb which could be two more brief replies to this message. This will free up your personal message facility.
Best wishes
Roger
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Hello Roger,
Sending you best wishes for a Happy New Year. My great uncle Spencer (Pem) would have been very happy to know we have made contact!
Regards Kate
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Roger, a further quick reply to your page to access the personal message facility. I have found another long list of the Delves family, a name I also noted people were interested in in Sussex, in and around Fairlight, Hastings and Rye and I will post some information of potential interest to them. I think however, you are interested in researching other surnames in your genealogy, non of which I am familiar with.
Regards Kate
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Hi Roger - just joined after coming across your thread. My grandmother Lily Kathleen Thorpe (married name Cane) was born in Westfield on 11/12/1898, daughter of William Benjamin Thorpe and Sarah Kate Fuller. I am relatively new to this but having reasonable success in tracking down my family thus far - would be happy to share more if of interest...
Regards,
Vince.