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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Buteshire => Topic started by: muckypup on Sunday 26 February 06 19:03 GMT (UK)
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Trying to trace family of John and Christina McBride (nee Robison or Robertson)
Johns occupation is given as School teacher
children
Janet 1799
William 1801
Archibald 1803 (Sea Pilot) married Margaret Campbell moved to Greenock
Anna 1805
Alexander 1807
Christian Sophi 1809
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this is about the best i can do just now, alexander was the school teacher
1841 census; mid kiscadle, kilbride, bute
john...age 80...farmer
kristina...age 80
1841 census; schoolhouse, kilmory, bute
alexander...age 30...teacher
mary...age 25
jean...age 15
catherine...age 6
christian...age 4
margaret...age 1
1841 census; whiting bay, kilbride, bute
archibald...age 30...seaman
margaret...age 30
christina...age 7
martha...age 5
john...age 3
1851 census; schoolmaster's house, kilmory, bute
alexander...head...age 43...schoolmaster...born kilbride
mary...wife...age 35
catherine...dau...age 15
christian...dau...age 13
margaret...dau...age 10
christina...mother...age 83...born kilbride
all born kilmory unless stated otherwise
1861 census; schoolmaster's house, kilmory, bute
alex...head...age 55...headmaster/registrar of births
mary...wife...age 47
christian...dau...age 24...dressmaker
margaret...dau...age 22
1861 census; 22 sugar house lane, greenock west
archibald...head...age 52...deep sea pilot
margaret...wife...age 50
martha...dau...age 21
john...son...age 19...boatbuilder
archibald...son...age 16...app boatbuilder
christina mc vean...grand-daughter...age 2...born glasgow
all born kilbride unless stated otherwise
happy hunting
Joe
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joebhoy.....
how can I ever thank you enough
there are still some kind and caring people in this world
thank you again
rob mcbride
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rob, you are more than welcome,
here is another wee bit that may help
christina mc bride married peter mc vean on the 16th november 1855 at west greenock
Joe
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I have a William McBride (1797-1803) from either Kilbride or `Island of Arrson, Bubhire'
He moved to Glasgow and is my direct ancestor. He was a gardener.
I don't know my geography of that area well and I cannot figure out what Bubhire is. Maybe you do?
Does this sound like it could be your William McBride?
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Hi Andarah,
Bubhire will be Buteshire, Kilbride is a Parish on the Isle of Arran, which used to come under Buteshire.
Do you have any other details of his life, marriage or death certs etc.
Rob ;D
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Not a lot for him, but I'll PM you.
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Hi Andarah & Rob, I am a direct descendant of Archibald McBride the Deep Sea Pilot and have some details of his family and descendants directly to me if thats of any use to you? Although i think i have his DOB estimated at 1809 not 1803
I dont have much about his beginnings, siblings and his descendants. Do you know if John & Christina were actually his parents and do you have any more details on them?
Oh and Joe thanks for posting you note below this has also help me out.
Any help will be appreciated.
All the best
Gary
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Hi Gary,
Which branch of the family do you come from?
Christina & John were Archie's parents they farmed some land on Arran, after Johns death Christina went to live with her son Alexander at lochranza were he was the local schoolteacher and registrar.
Where are you based?
My line is from Archie's son John (born 1838 Arran), then his son John (1878) his son Robert (1924) then me (all born Greenock, Scotland)
Can't send you a PM with more details, until you have posted three times
Regards
Robert McBride
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I have William McBride at Tullichewan Castle in 1841.
Rob, you said that Alexander was at lochranza.
Was there communication/movement between the castles.
I am trying to prove who the parents are of my William McBride - my William's death cert conflicts with the censuses. I tend to believe the censuses since William would have been alive to give that information. The censuses lead me to believe that my William is the son of John/Christina.
If there was communication and movement between castles, then I have more weight to add to my William being the son of John/Christina.
I have a strong feeling that William McBride left his family because of the clearances on the Island of Arran. He was a gardener and would not have had opportunities to find land if he stayed at home.
I pulled this off the internet about Tullichewan: The Horrocks family purchased the castle in 1817, living there until 1843. The estate was then sold to William Campbell of J & W Campbell, Glasgow merchants and remained in the Campbell family until the twentieth century.[ William McBride left for Glasgow between 1842 and 1847.
Gary, I would love to see anything that you have! We never know when some tiny snippet of information can break open a wall. Thanks for offering!
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Hi Robert thanks for that, I'm also from Archie's son John Campbells line.
From there we split, I follow down through John's son Archibald (1869), His Daughter Flora Muir Swan (nee BcBride) (1904) then my grandmother Sarah McBride McMahon (nee Swan) (1927) known as Morag and then my mum Flora McMahon (1951) , oh and me 1970.
Talk about name repetition down the line too many Archies, John's and Flora's :)
They also all seem to be from Greenock after John Campbell until my mothers generation who moved to Corby in England and I now live in Australia.
Here's what I have on Archie:
Archie McBride (b1803- d1876):
Born in Kilbride, Bute on the Isle of arran in April 1803 (18th suspected) - Baptised 24/4/1803 - [O.P.R. Births 553/00 0010 0110]*
Parents of John McBride & Christina Robinson
Suspected Brother of Janet (1799), William (1801), Anna (1805), Alexander (1807) and Christian Sophi (1809) - as advised on this chain.
Married Margret Campbell (from Edinburgh)
Died at home (22 Sugar House Lane, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland of Liver disease on 11/9/1876 aged 74 /[Statutory Deaths 564/03 0685]*
He had three children that i'm aware of: Martha (b.~1840), John Campbell (b.~1842) and Archibald (b.~1845)
It would appear that he was in fact described as a Deep sea Pilot - what ever that is :) ?http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKPilots.html ?
And I have Census records for Archie & Margaret's Household in:
1881 (Marg only) - [Census 1881 564/03 002/00 002]*,
1871 (Archie & Marg) - [Census 1871 564/03 029/00 001]*
1861 (Archie, Marg, Martha,John,Archie Jnr & Christina McVean grand-daughter) - [Census 1861 564/03 025/00 001]*
1851 - Cant find any census info that i can confirm to be them as yet
1841 - Nothing yet but belived to be in Kilbride.
*Ref taken from Scotlands People documents.
I've got some things on John also but i'll email them to you.
I've only been looking for a week so dont have masses of info but i'm happy to share what i've got. Can you pm me and i'll respond.
All the best
Gary
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Hello second cousin twice removed, greetings from the homeland.
Archie also had a sister called Margaret 1811,
He & Margaret (Nee Campbell) had eleven children that I know of, a few I have found died either in childbirth or shortly after.
The 1841 census has them living at Whiting Bay with Christina 1834-1890, Martha 1836-1869 & John 1838-1909, I have traced these three until their deaths and what i think is all of their family.
Archie & Margaret moved the family to Greenock circa 1850 where they lived at 2 Vennel from 1851-1857, they then moved to 22 Sugarhouse lane until Archies death in 1876. margaret moved to Nicolson Street where she died in 1884.
1851 census they were living at Campbells Land 18 Heavey Lane ? (Harvey lane)greenock west, with Martha 15, John 10, Archie 7, & William 5
Your line; Archie McBride 1869-1937 married Sarah Nelis who had previously had a child with a James Kennedy called William, she then married Henry Edwin McGill they went on to have three children William, David & Margaret,
Archie & Sarah produced six children; Flora, Archie, Francis, John, Alexander & Edward
If you follow this link you will see photographs of your updated family (more to follow)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertmcbridefamily/
Keep searching cousin
Robert
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Gary,
I met with Archie McBride (your 1st cousin 2 x removed) he and his brother Dennis will sort out some old family photos which I will put on Flickr.
I have a Gedcom file of McBride family from Alexander (1735) to present day, it includes everyone i have found so far.
Robert
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Gre thanks Robert, what's Gedcom?
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Gary,
It's a file that most genealogy programs can open ( I use Family Tree Maker 2011) which will allow you to see everyone I have found, will save you spending on Scotlands People.
Robert
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Robert,
I would love a copy of that gedcom as well!
I notice that you are doing research in Vancouver. I am there a few times a year. Let me know if you ever want something looked up. Most archives are held in Victoria and I am there at the same times each year.
Karen
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Gary,
It's a file that most genealogy programs can open ( I use Family Tree Maker 2011) which will allow you to see everyone I have found, will save you spending on Scotlands People.
Robert
Robert hi hope you are well. I've just got some new family tree software, any chance that you might be able to send me that file you referred to before? I would be really grateful. Thanks Gary
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Hi Robert how you doing
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Hi Gary
Are you still active on this site? Is anyone active on this site?
It's some years since there was any correspondence.
Cheers
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Is anyone active on this site?
yes you can see the active posts on the front page.
The original poster was last online in 2012, but there have not been any new replies since they last posted until your reply. They will be notified by email of your reply.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Rob
You don't seem to have been on here for a while so I hope you get a chance to respond.
We share the same ancestor, Archibald McBride and his son John (wife Christina/Christian Robison/Robertson). I then go down through Archibald McBride (deep sea pilot of Greenock), his daughter, Christian and her illegitimate son, known later as Robert McBride b 1870) - he is my grandfather.
If you are interested in reading more about that family and their descendants, I can send you (or anyone else who reads this) a heap of information set out in narrative form.
Regards
Jack