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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Nairnshire => Topic started by: sheenamac on Sunday 05 March 06 11:09 GMT (UK)
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I'm seeking Elizabeth McGilvray (whatever spelling) b 1827 Calder, Invernessshire - I've since discovered that Calder is really Cawdor and is considered to be in Nairn and not Inverness. According to the death cert her parents are Donald Mcgilvray, farmer, and Elizabeth McPherson but I'm not sure this is correct.
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hi pal,
i womder if this is yours?
donald mcgilvray(1771 nairn) married mcpherson(1771 nairn) in 1800.
mcgilvray children from this marriage:
ann-1801
william-12/2/1810
john-6/10/1817
elspet-29/8/1819
anne-6/8/1822
alexander-13/11/1824
all children born ardclach
1841 census- airdrie, ardclach, nairn
donald- age 60- labourer
elspat- age 50
margaret-23
donald-15
alexander-13
robert mcgregor- aged 9 months
it seems that they are at hillground, urray, ross & cromarty for the 1851 census but need someone to check.
Joe
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Thanks Joe
That certainly gives me something to work with. Unfortunately, Elizabeth's age is confusing from the various documents - census etc - but I think she would have been born around 1827. I don't think I've checked the 1841 1851 census records and I'll do that now. Where did you get the list of children from - Eliz would have been born after the youngest child shown there.
Sheenamac
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hi pal,
this may not be your donald mcgilvary after all... he was born raised and died in ardclach..
1851 census- airdrie, ardclach
donald...age 80...former ag lab...born ardlach
margaret fraser...dau...age 31...born ardlach
john fraser...son-in-law...age 38...ag lab
elspet fraser...grand-daughter...age 1
margaret fraser...grand-daughter...age 1 month
robert mcgregor...grandson...age 9
elspet duncan...visitor...age 51...born botriphnie, banff
1861 margaret fraser daughter of donald takes over the running of "airdrie"
Joe
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Hi Joe
The only Elizabeth McGilivray that I can find (in the wole of Scotland) on the 1841 that fits is already away from home:
Daviot, Invernessshire
District 95 ED 5 Page 3
David Hood, farmer
(others)
Elizabeth McGilivray, 14, Farm servant, born county
I'll see if I can find any parents. She might well have married by 1851.
Gadget
Added - I don't think this is her. Just checked and there's a baptism DAviot in 1827 - parents Farquhar and Ann
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Here's a possible family in Cawder on the 1841:
Blairmore
District 122 ED 2 Page 1
Donald, 35-39, ag lab
Catherine, 35-39
Donald (could be 7 or 8 -faint print)
Ann, 6
John, 3
All born Nairn
Could it be a second marriage :-\
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Thanks all for your thoughts on this one. You've given me some ideas to pursue. Elizabeth married Alexander McKirdy in 1854 in Greenock.
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Oh Sheena - if only they'd waited another year, you'd have had her parents' names :(
Gadget
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Yes, but.... After Alexander's death, Elizabeth remarried. Parents confirmed as Donald Mcgilvray, farmer, and Elizabeth McPherson.
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Are you still interested in following this line? I've just noticed that your original posting was a while ago!
I've found a marriage/banns of Donald McGillivray to a Catherine MacDonald, 14 June 1833, Cawdor. It is obviously the ones I found in the census. I wonder if it was a second marriage :-\
Gadget
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I'd still like to find a birth notice for her. I'll have another look on Scotland's People after reviewing the help I've received from Rootschat.
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hi gadget, sheena,
had another wee look at this looking for clues.
started at the 1861 census
1861- 14 cathcart street, greenock (mckirdy family)
alexander...age 54...boatman & porter
elizabeth...age 38
andrew s...age 15...seaman
james mcl...age 2
catherine mcgillvary...niece...age 14 (is this my clue?)
1851 census- 24 market street, greenock (mcgillvary family)
john...age 34...queen's porter...born ardlach (?)
janet...age 25...born glasgow
catherine...age 4
1841 census- st.andrew's square, greenock (james stark Minister)
elizabeth...age 20...female servant
cannot find john and janet in 1861 but their daughter remains in greenock and works as a servant in the 1871 census and the 1881 census.
in the 1841 census there is a farmer's widow called elizabeth mcgillvary aged 68 and staying in dunmaglass in nairn, she is born inverness, wonder why the family is on the census as inverness as we know clearly it is nairn?
Joe
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hi gadget, sheena,
had another wee look at this looking for clues.
started at the 1861 census
1861- 14 cathcart street, greenock (mckirdy family)
alexander...age 54...boatman & porter
elizabeth...age 38
andrew s...age 15...seaman
james mcl...age 2
catherine mcgillvary...niece...age 14 (is this my clue?)
1851 census- 24 market street, greenock (mcgillvary family)
john...age 34...queen's porter...born ardlach (?)
janet...age 25...born glasgow
catherine...age 4
1841 census- st.andrew's square, greenock (james stark Minister)
elizabeth...age 20...female servant
cannot find john and janet in 1861 but their daughter remains in greenock and works as a servant in the 1871 census and the 1881 census.
in the 1841 census there is a farmer's widow called elizabeth mcgillvary aged 68 and staying in dunmaglass in nairn, she is born inverness, wonder why the family is on the census as inverness as we know clearly it is nairn?
Joe
Hi Joe - Re the last part about Widow McGillivray (staying at Dunmaglass), the only Dunmaglass I have heard of is in the Parish of Daviot & Dunlichity, by Inverness - however there is mention of the parish boundaries changing.... copy & pasting part of same: In 1891 the county boundary was also altered, so that the part of Daviot & Dunlichity, which formerly lay in the county of Nairn, is now in the county of Inverness.
There were a lot of McGillivrays as Tenants in Dunmaglass, as well as the Clan McGillivrays owning the estate at one time.
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Thank you so much. Some of this I've already got, but you've given me quite a bit to think about. Today is my "research day", so I'll be able to take it all in and work through it. I'll let you know if I can add anything.
Regards
Sheena
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Regards to all. Just letting you know that I'm back to my research project again. I printed the birth certificate for Elizabeth's son, William Alexander Mckirdy, and it gives her birthplace as Ardlach, Nairn. A little reading explains that Nairn and Inverness are now the same administrative region, so perhaps the borders have been a bit fluid. That, together with your info, might move me forward. Will let you know.
Sheena
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Hi Joe
I've done a search on Scotland's People for Donald McGilvray (using wildcards) and McPherson marriage, but found nothing. Can you give me a tip?
Sheena
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Sheena
Use "Name Variants" only enter Donald McGilivray leave everything else blank. When it propagates the the OPR banns you can then sort them by clicking the Spouse Name heading then scroll down to McPherson. This way you if McPherson is spelled incorrectly it will show.
However I did find this when doing same using McPherson for the search.
MCPHERSON ANN DONALD MCGILVERA/FR1864 (FR1864) 28/10/1804 622/70 264 Barony
And when searching children only using the surname and parent 1 (Donald) I did see both an Ann and a Christy McPherson as the mother between 1790-1854.
HTH
Don
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An update on Elizabeth McGillvray. Known facts: she married widow Alexander McKirdy 1854. 1861 census gives birthplace as Inverness. 1871 census gives birthplace as Inverness, Calder. 1881 census birthplace could be Inverness, Inverness-shire. She married John Hearn in 1872.
1861 census, her niece Catherine McGillvray is present. Found her with her parents in 1851, father John's birthplace given as Ardclach, Nairn.
Elizabeth had her first son in 1855 (lucky!) and it claims she is 33 and was born in Ardclach.
At her marriage to Hearn and on her death cert, parents are given as Donald McGillvray and Elizabeth McPherson. I found a number of children born to parents of those names in Ardclach, including a John and an Elizabeth (Elspet) (1819). It seems quite convincing that she was born in Ardclach.
The only marriage I could find in the names of the parents was in Barony, Lanark, which seems unlikely.
Her age is a problem. In 1855 she is 33, 1861 she is 38, 1871 45, 1872 44, 1881 56. Her death notice in 1899 claims is is 66. Allowing for illiteracy, it seems unlikely that she was born in 1819 when Donald and Ann had a child named Elizabeth. It is possible that the first Elizabeth died, and a later child was given the same name.
I found an Elizabeth as a FS in 1841 aged 14, in Deviot but that seems unlikely. There's another in Greenock in 1841 as a FS, aged 20. Might be a better fit.
Given the expertise amonst this group, I'd love to have your thoughts on this.
Sheena